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Hi-Tech Nativity Security

To combat vandalism and theft of their holiday displays, many churches and cities are turning to a technological answer. After one of their cows was stolen, St. Marks Episcopal Church in Glen Ellyn, Ill. installed GPS devices in the figurines of its nativity scene. This year the village of Wellington, Fla. added security cameras to protect their display. From the article: "BrickHouse Security in New York City offered churches and synagogues free GPS and cameras to protect their displays this season. Seventy have signed up so far. About 24 of them are also installing security cameras. In Merrick, N.Y., the Chabad Center for Jewish Life is putting GPS in its 8-foot menorah on display in a park."

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  1. Re:Merry xmas, thanks for the free tech! by dgatwood · · Score: 2

    Well, at least they get them back. Without trackers, that's not nearly as likely when they're hidden in some kid's dorm room or some frat house basement.

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  2. Re:Merry xmas, thanks for the free tech! by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Ok, I know this is a "get off of my lawn" type moment...but what the hell happened to us in this country??

    When I grew up, you rarely if EVER heard of shit like this going on. Hell, as a family, we'd all get in the car on a cold winter night, like many other families, and go look at the decorations at homes, at churches and yes..even the capitol building (I grew up mostly in the capitol city of my state).

    And yes..there was a nativity scene at the capitol...was common to see across the US and no one had a cow over it.

    But seriously....no one worried about it getting stolen, we all kind of respected someone taking the time to put up some decorations at the very least.

    WTF has our country come to...everything is target for theft or vandalism?

    Hell, growing up...Halloween was about the only holiday you had to worry about that...and it was minor.

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  3. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. by NanoGeek · · Score: 2

    There's something wrong with people when you have to go to such lengths to keep vandals off of a harmless nativity scene.

  4. Vandalism, theft, terrorism... by Ismellpoop · · Score: 2

    (in the days of bomb this bomb that would you want to be caught putting "things" on public transportation?) All to make Christian's, who are trying to protect their property, look silly to someone with the intelligence of Beavis and Butthead.

  5. Re:Merry xmas, thanks for the free tech! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Here's the answer no one else will tell you: it's the third world mentality seeping into everything. And, no, it's not racial: it's cultural. There's too many cultures here now that don't respect property or education or anything our country (or any modern nation) was built upon. So there you have it in a politically incorrect nutshell. We'll throw money at it, try to legislate around it, but until people, en masse, are willing to stand up and stand together to say"No more of this fucking bullshit" it will continue and get worse.

    OK, time for the mods to hit me with -5 The Truth Hurts

  6. Could Be Worse? by IonOtter · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Well, at least they're just stealing the stuff? It's not like you can sell this sort of thing on eBay or Craigslist, so it's probably a prank.

    Things could be a much worse.

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  7. Atheist Fundamentalists: Angry, Violent, and... by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...and a growing cult. Not saying the creches are being stolen by the Atheists, probably "just kids." But these days, those Atheists DO get their noses out of joint when confronted with public displays that run counter to their own belief systems.

    Not all Atheists are vandalizing extremists, of course. Most of them have moderate beliefs, contribute productively to society, and love America just like you or I.

    1. Re:Atheist Fundamentalists: Angry, Violent, and... by jameskojiro · · Score: 4, Interesting

      [ Why would you "respect" a practice that is sending innocent people to hell? ]

      As an Atheist why would this even concern you as you don't even believe in Heaven or Hell, or do you? Why would you care if someone somewhere thinks you are going straight to hell unless deep down you were troubled they might have the slightest possibility of being right about you possible eternal salvation?

      I am Agnostic and I am not bothered at all if my next door neighbor thinks I am going to the fiery pits of Satan's backyard. I could care less what they think of me. I am not a prick either who tries to tell them how wrong they are for believing in a higher power. Instead I try to live my life the best I can and lead by example. If they try to spout any religious nonsense at me I politely tell them I am not interested and don't get into an ass hole screaming match with them. If they object I tell them that in this country we have personal responsibility and if I go to hell then I am responsible for my own soul if they think it exists and if I end up in "hell" then it was my own conscious decision and right protected by the constitution.

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    2. Re:Atheist Fundamentalists: Angry, Violent, and... by Asm-Coder · · Score: 2

      The key word here is tolerance. Everything the GP said could equally be applied to someone who was raised to be a "good person". (and in reality, religion has very little to do with it.) Most religions put a great deal of weight on being/raising your kids to be good people, and as a result there may be a higher average number of "good" people in religious communities.

      As for your comments about religions condemning followers of other religions to hell, I think you have a skewed understanding of religion. While religions frequently say that nonbelievers will be punished, most religious people (and church leaders) believe that it is far more important to be be a good person than to be a member or the correct church. (Trust me, there are bad people in all religions, and most churchgoers wouldn't have any doubts as what will happen to those people) Antecedently, basically all of the protestant friends I have are of the opinion that since God is supposed to be forgiving, anyone who is trying to be a good person will be rewarded. Some Churches don't even believe in a "hell", but rather teach that you will be rewarded according to you actions in this life. (examples: Mormonism, Buddhism) My understanding of the Bahá'í religion is that they don't regard hell as a punishment. I don't know enough about Islam or Judaism to be willing to comment on their beliefs, but I'm willing to bet that the majority of their followers are likewise tolerant of other religions and may not automatically assume nonbelievers are doomed to hell.

      Remember, most beliefs are not the polarized fields that some of the media (and frequently others) would have you believe. Most people's beliefs may align with a belief system, but they don't go to extremes. Not all Islamics are terrorists bent on destroying western culture, not all open-source users are anti-close-source, and not all feminists have hair on their legs. :P

    3. Re:Atheist Fundamentalists: Angry, Violent, and... by RapmasterT · · Score: 2

      ...and a growing cult. Not saying the creches are being stolen by the Atheists, probably "just kids." But these days, those Atheists DO get their noses out of joint when confronted with public displays that run counter to their own belief systems.

      Not all Atheists are vandalizing extremists, of course. Most of them have moderate beliefs, contribute productively to society, and love America just like you or I.

      Typically what atheists get out of joint about is the government endorsing a particular religion to the exclusion of all others. The very same christians who say "what's the big deal" about a nativity scene seem to be VERY concerned about displays of Islam, Judaism, Wicca, Satanism, etc.

      Or would you support the local Church of Satan putting up a display in the public places during whatever holiday they wanted to celebrate?

  8. only solution is tsa screening for everyone by Dan667 · · Score: 2

    everyone in the city must be naked scanned and groped several times a day to be safe from evil doers that might try to do something to the nativity scene.

  9. Re:Merry xmas, thanks for the free tech! by MoonBuggy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Since I wasn't around in the 'old days' (for any reasonable definition of the term, anyway), I can't comment first-hand, but I'd theorise that the changes are based on urbanisation and corporatisation destroying the small community groups that people used to inhabit. If your action has a negative consequence to you personally, or someone you know, that obviously serves as a disincentive - basically, a person only has a direct incentive to be considerate if their actions are likely to affect someone within their 'monkeysphere'. It used to be the case that most of the people you regularly interacted with had some level of connection to you personally, so no problem there. In general, people don't immediately default to 'asshat' as soon as they think nobody they know is watching (although there are exceptions), but there's a secondary driving factor: this level of disaffection doesn't just appear spontaneously, it's engendered by the fact that those who shape the society we do live in do so in a largely impersonal manner - when the organisations we deal with every day don't care about whether they're screwing us over, it tends to rub off. People are left with no disincentive against bad behaviour, and little incentive for good behaviour. I'm not saying this excuses the people being asshats, of course, but it does provide some reasonable explanation of "what the hell happened to us" (which was quite possible meant to be rhetorical, but anyway...).

    It's not all bad, though. The flipside is that the socially-enforced conformism of small communities is much more conducive to discrimination, repression of the 'out group', and ostracism of those who fail to follow the (often unwritten and/or illogical) 'rules'. Small communities protect the status quo, for better or worse. Whether it's a worthwhile trade off is a matter of personal opinion.

  10. Ok, So the GPS prevents baby Jesus from theft... by wierd_w · · Score: 5, Funny

    But what prevents would-be vandals from serrupticiously "Laying down" the 3 wise men in the snow, covering them up, and then placing a motion activated dancing santa with a strap on, and two yard gnomes in their place?

    (Bonus, "replace" Joseph with a white lawn jockey. [gotta be PC, afterall.])

    I suppose the camera would be a deturrant, but the enterprising geek could still deploy a portable EMI/EMP generator from the back of the panel van they use to perform the vandalism with. (You can get plans on the internet.)

    Other amusing vandalism ideas (non-inclusive):

    Put obviously fake dynamite bandoliers on all the male nativity characters. (Bonus if you put a burkha robe on Mary)
    Put a fake beard on Mary. (A santa beard is acceptable, but a dark black one is better due to increased visibility)
    Put suet balls in strategic locations so the indemic pidgeon population does the defacement for you
    Make an FSM snowman that totally obstructs the view of the nativity scene from the road.
    Put pink flamingos in the scene, then put brightly colored hawaiian shirts and hoola skirts on everyone.
    Wrap all the nativity figures up in toilet paper like mummies
    Load an electric paint sprayer with water and green food coloring; Spray "We accept cash and credit", "Salvation at LOW LOW PRICES!" on the snow of the church's lawn

    etc, etc.

    Stealing the nativity characters is boring in comparison to the many MANY different ways you could fuck with a church this time of year!

  11. Re:Merry xmas, thanks for the free tech! by khallow · · Score: 2

    urbanisation and corporatisation

    Or there's governmentization and infantization. I can make up ideologically suitable words too.

  12. Re:Merry xmas, thanks for the free tech! by Degro · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't know, that's easy to say when you pick out one relatively short timespan as 'what this country was built on'. The dismantling of other cultures seems more accurate. So many the nativity vandals are keeping it old-school and true.

  13. This could happen... by az1324 · · Score: 3, Funny

    "What do you mean he's not in there? The GPS tracker clearly shows Jesus should be inside the tomb."

  14. Year in URL by SeNtM · · Score: 2

    No one bothered to look at the URL...or the creation date of the article. This story is from 2008.

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