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Corporations Hiring Hooky Hunters

No longer satisfied with your crinkled doctor's note, a growing number of corporations are hiring "Hooky Detectives." Private investigator Rick Raymond says he's staked out bowling alleys, pro football games, weddings and even funerals looking for people using sick days. From the article: "Such techniques have become permissible at a time when workers are more likely to play hooky. Kronos, a workforce productivity firm in Chelmsford, Mass., recently found that 57 percent of salaried employees take sick days when they're not sick — almost a 20 percent increase from statistics gathered between 2006 and 2008."

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  1. Now you see why I warned Slashdot about vigilantes by elucido · · Score: 4, Insightful

    These corporate sociopath CEO's have enough money to hire private investigators to stalk us. They can come up with whatever excuse or have no reason at all. These investigators have the power to ruin marriages, friendships, careers.

    What can we do about the Gestapo America? BTW this article should be titled "Corporations hire professional stalkers to track employees outside of the workplace."

  2. Perhaps a structural solution would be better by slk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Instead of having to police sick days, a simpler solution would be to combine sick days and vacation days into "earned time off" or similar. Let the employee use the time as they see fit, no policing required, and you probably get better morale in the deal too.

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  3. They're still sick days by IICV · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It still counts as a sick day if you're taking the day off for your mental health, right?

    Of course, if American employers would just provide a reasonable number of vacation days, this wouldn't be an issue; unfortunately it seems like the company has to squeeze you for every last ounce of productivity, even when squeezing less might make you more productive.

  4. Re:Now you see why I warned Slashdot about vigilan by mrex · · Score: 2, Insightful

    J. Edgar Hoover approves of your comment.

  5. Everyone has skeletons. by elucido · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Don't be fooled. This is a power play by employers to take even more power from the deunionized employee base. They want to destroy the middle class once and for all and the best way to do that is to reduce the employee to utter powerlessness and promote only the obsequious.

    If the boss gets pissed off, a team of investigators can permanently neutralize you. If you think the Union leader can protect you then they'll neutralize him too via investigation. It's a new way to find dirt on people, and it's creepy.

    So the PI uses the honey trap on you, you flirt with this new woman and now the PI gives that information to your boss. If you piss off your boss you can lose both your career and your marriage? Tell me how this can be avoided.

    1. Re:Everyone has skeletons. by Phreakiture · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So the PI uses the honey trap on you, you flirt with this new woman and now the PI gives that information to your boss. If you piss off your boss you can lose both your career and your marriage? Tell me how this can be avoided.

      You could try being faithful to your wife . . . .

      As much as I hate the canard about "if you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide", there is a valid corollary: "If you've done nothing wrong, you won't get caught".

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    2. Re:Everyone has skeletons. by al0ha · · Score: 5, Insightful

      >> Tell me how this can be avoided.

      Well one way would be for the average worker to get a clue and stop living hand-to-mouth, spending every dollar they make to buy shit they don't really need...

      In money there is power, but the average worker does not see that. If all workers had enough saved to tide them over for a few months, then workers could call the shots on how they should be treated and stand up to their a-hole bosses and corporations. I've done it and so has my wife, to the betterment of our lives and careers.

      But seeing as the average worker is saddled with so much debt they need their weekly paycheck just to stay afloat; they have essentially placed all the power in the hands of a-hole bosses and shitty corporate environments who, believe me, realize this fact and take full advantage of it.

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    3. Re:Everyone has skeletons. by vux984 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As much as I hate the canard about "if you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide", there is a valid corollary: "If you've done nothing wrong, you won't get caught".>

      Of course that's tempered by:

      If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him.

      You can easily get caught on things you didn't do. Not having done them is a useful defense, but these days the accusation is as damaging as the conviction. Just ask anyone wrongfully accused of sexual harrassment or child abuse.

    4. Re:Everyone has skeletons. by Applekid · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So the PI uses the honey trap on you, you flirt with this new woman and now the PI gives that information to your boss. If you piss off your boss you can lose both your career and your marriage? Tell me how this can be avoided.

      You could try being faithful to your wife . . . .

      As much as I hate the canard about "if you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide", there is a valid corollary: "If you've done nothing wrong, you won't get caught".

      Until the PI agency is under it's quota for the month and decides to finger you for playing hooky when they realize they need to show your bean-counter COO that they're actually catching people. At least for a crime you get a trial. Getting fired over something like this is just as life ruining as being a felon these days.

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    5. Re:Everyone has skeletons. by HungryHobo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Most people don't have the privilege of just deciding to have more money.

      I do happen to be lucky enough to have the means to make sure I have enough money to tide me over for a reasonable time but I'm not so arrogant as to delude myself that everyone is in a similar position.

      Many people get stuck living hand to mouth despite spending wisely and despite living as modest a life as is possible.
      My parents spent years living barely above the poverty line despite both of them working and both of them living in a 1 room apartment with no furniture other than a bed and a table.

      And being poor makes it harder to spend less.
      With a little extra money and a little extra time you can afford to buy lots of some food when there's a good sale.
      Storage space hits that one as well, you can't buy 6 months worth of toilet paper when it's on sale for a third the normal price when you live in a tiny single room with no extra space.
      With the money to buy and run a car you have far more jobs available to you and you can go to cheaper shops.

      but if you can't escape the hand to mouth stage then you'll get stuck spending more and getting less.

      it's not merely a choice as you so arrogantly imply.
      People end up in poverty often through no fault of their own and it can be very hard to escape.

    6. Re:Everyone has skeletons. by MarcQuadra · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What I find strange is how the working and middle classes feel entitled to so much more than they did only a few years ago in the 1980s. I had two college-educated parents with jobs, and I still had to share a room with my sister until I was ten. We had a small 19" TV and an antenna, because, according to my dad, it was 'absurd' to spend $20/month for cable. We crammed our family of five into a tiny Mazda when the station wagon was in the shop. The heat never came on until mid-November, and it never went above 62F.

      Now it seems that even welfare moms feel entitled to cell phones, cable TV, mid-range sedans, 70-degree apartments, and endless subsidized premium cereal for their already obese children. Seriously, try restricting any of the above for the people who are collecting government assistance, and watch as you are made out to be a corporate villain.

      There was recently a news article about how the local groceries have to staff-up for the first of the month. The (stay-at-home) mom (of five) complained how the benefits weren't enough, since she had to ration the cereal or it would run out and the kids would have to eat oatmeal for the rest of the month. My eyes bugged-out. Of course you have to ration 'sugar pops', I got one bowl a week, oatmeal was the standard breakfast of the middle class.

      We need a hardcore reality check and fiscal literacy like no other culture in history.

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    7. Re:Everyone has skeletons. by phoenix321 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Taking sick days when not sick is not the same as not answering police questions when done nothing wrong.

      Actually, I have no pity for people who call in sick, go bowling with their friends and then get caught. There's a fine line between privacy for privacy's sake and "privacy" invoked to hide actual misconduct.

      Sick days are for being sick. People abusing are to blame, not employers wanting their employees to fulfill their contract.

      If the employment contract is too unfair to fulfill, please join a union and do something about it. Going AWOL from a crappy contract is like cheating an ugly wife you do not love. It may be fun while it last, but it isn't going to help anyone and much drama if something finds out. So take the high road instead and do something with a little more forethought. Please.

    8. Re:Everyone has skeletons. by phoenix321 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Post is head on.

      In this time and age, we are paying people by their demands, not their abilities. The fact that upper classes are shamelessly funneling away billions - CEO incomes that increased a hundredfold compared to average worker incomes - has hidden that the lower classes are essentially turning the entire financial situation around: not getting paid by their abilities, their deeds, their talents, but according to their demands and simple societal average.

      Working people have to work doubly hard to increase their abilities, their standing and their income. Non-working people simply have to shag their wife some more kids.

      2 responsible adults will probably have 2 kids that probably turn out being responsible themselves. 2 irresponsible adults could have 6 kids that probably turn out being irresponsible themselves just by learning from their parents. After three generations, irresponsible people will outnumber and crush the responsible population. Unless that is changed, we will head further down the abyss. Irresponsible people will starve some day, but we can pretend we can postpone that indefinitely so it hits them harder when it finally happens.

    9. Re:Everyone has skeletons. by russotto · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You can easily get caught on things you didn't do. Not having done them is a useful defense, but these days the accusation is as damaging as the conviction. Just ask anyone wrongfully accused of sexual harrassment or child abuse.

      You can not only be "caught" for things you didn't do, you can be accused of things which aren't wrong. And not only is the accusation damaging, any attempt at defending yourself just makes you look guilty.

  6. Re:Now you see why I warned Slashdot about vigilan by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You don't think most of the people at the top aren't sociopaths?

    The sad fact is that to reach those high levels, it's not only not a hindrance, it's practically a requirement. It's not an indictment of successful people, but rather the way "the system" works. Sociopathy is ultimately rewarded, while honesty, thrift, efficiency... all those things we were taught are good are often impediments to rising through the ranks.

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  7. Re:Why should your employer govern your behavior? by dpilot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No, the real question is why are they so STUPID!!!

    I agree that there is a strong neo-feudalism movement afoot. I don't think it's any sort of conspiracy, it's merely that class of people doing the type of things that they are prone to do, and neo-feudalism is the logical end-game. But I still assert that it is STUPID, because serfs don't buy the company's products. Each company seems to have this idea that they can drive THEIR employees down into the dirt, and "somebody else" will buy their products, presumably other company's employees. But when all of the companies are doing this, the pool of "somebody else" dwindles. It's just not a sustainable model.

    I suspect that in the modern globalized world US companies expect that the growing middle class in the Far East will buy their products. But even if they can either eliminate every US worker or drive every US worker's pay down to 3rd world levels, their products will STILL have the overhead of an astronomically overpaid executive suite. What's worse is that the executive suite has generally grown addicted to cost reduction as the means of profit improvement. Most of them aren't worth spit in terms of bringing truly innovative products to market, improving the revenue side of the equation. (Reality distortion field aside, and though from everything I've heard he's a real prick, I have a strong sense of respect for Steve Jobs for just this reason.)

    Congress isn't doing spit about it because:
    1 - They won't cross their big donors.
    2 - Republicans tend to believe that the wealthy are that way because they deserve it, and therefore they have the recipe for success, and need to be left alone to continue fostering success. (Particularly in the current situation, I believe that the "recipe for success" is short-term, a catastrophe in the making for the rest of the country and only a cushy retirement plan for those execs.)

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  8. Re:Now you see why I warned Slashdot about vigilan by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Will the executives be subject to this also? I can suggest staking out golf courses, marinas (when weather is nice of course), Martha's Vineyard (or wherever the local trophy home location is), and their secretary's apartments.

    The title of the article is deceptive though. It isn't about people being stalked because they took a sick day or two off, it is about people abusing long term medical leave. That I have to admit I don't have a problem with them investigating. If you say you are unable to work because you can't walk and they catch you helping your neighbor move a sofa down 5 flights of stairs then I'd agree you should be busted.

    Investigating someone for being out 3 days with the flu strikes me as a bit petty though. Maybe the problem at that point is your employees need some vacation time or you just have lousy moral. Firing people left and right won't make the remaining ones any better and won't guarantee you will magically get a flood of super workers to replace them (or that they won't end up as unhappy as the first bunch).

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  9. Re:Vacation time by QRDeNameland · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This does not include days like Halloween and Christmas etc.

    Who the hell gets Halloween as a paid holiday?

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  10. Re:Or they could *GASP* unionize... by operagost · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The hyperbole is strong with this one! No, unions are not inherently bad. But can't we appreciate the irony of teachers' pension funds being wiped out when GM defaulted on their bonds so that unions could have THEIR benefits?

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  11. "Join a union and do something about it" by jeko · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Companies hire you for a 40-hour work week, and then feel no compunction about working you twice that. I know of more than one company that refuses to allow employees to take vacations -- always "too busy now, try again in a couple of months" -- and then institute "hour caps." effectively screwing workers out of their vacations. I know of others that refuse to allow legitimate comp time to be taken.

    Once upon a time, after working three 70-hour weeks back-to-back-to-back, and then being asked to put in a fourth week of the same, I came down with a good solid, three-day case of the "flu." To be honest, I actually did feel like hell.

    Workers start faking sick days when companies fail to honor their agreements on reasonable work weeks, vacations and comp time.

    Now, companies have started hiring private detectives to shadow workers outside of the job. Welcome back to the bad old days of the Pinkerton Detective Agency.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinkerton_National_Detective_Agency

    During the labor unrest of the late 19th century, businessmen hired Pinkerton agents to infiltrate unions, and as guards to keep strikers and suspected unionists out of factories. The best known such confrontation was the Homestead Strike of 1892, in which Pinkerton agents were called in to enforce the strikebreaking measures of Henry Clay Frick, acting on behalf of Andrew Carnegie, who was abroad; the ensuing conflicts between Pinkerton agents and striking workers led to several deaths on both sides. The Pinkertons were also used as guards in coal, iron, and lumber disputes in Illinois, Michigan, New York, and Pennsylvania, as well as the Great Railroad Strike of 1877.

    The private detectives aren't there just to enforce sick days. They're also there to quash the unions you advocate as a solution.

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