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Porn Site Gave Federal Agents Free Rein
Frosty Piss writes "The operators of a notorious porn site Free6.com granted federal agents administrative access to the site, giving investigators the ability to monitor traffic and public and private chats in an effort to identify users trading 'a significant amount of child pornography.' Though some bloggers have speculated about whether law enforcement officials have secretly been given administrative access to sites where users have been known to post child pornography (like 4chan), the Free6.com arrangement is apparently the first such compact to be disclosed by investigators."
giving investigators the ability to monitor traffic and public and private chats in an effort to identify users trading 'a significant amount of child pornography.'
-"I swear, chief, it's all part of an effort to catch a gang of child pornographers, that's why I've been browsing that site so much"
Now we are slashdotting porn sites. I'm ok with paypal or amazon going down, but loss of porn on the internet could cause serious consequences. If the world goes to war over this, don't say I didn't warn you.
I think it's ridiculous that just possessing an image is illegal. Not only this law utterly fails to curb child abuse and child porn (sans fictional drawings!) production, but it also has the hilarious side effect of my tax money going to pay some dude for perusing 4chan. If you tell me you wouldn't want his job, you must be a girl or something.
On one hand, I like porn. On the other, I only like porn where the women are sexy... which means a woman should look like a woman, not a little girl. (I don't care about the guys, but I find the "Jurrasic cock" series to be inspirational... hey, I'm getting older too!) Anyway, I also happen to love children "in the good way" and don't like the thought of them being exploited. So on one hand, I want people exploiting children to get stopped. (punished is another thing... "helped" might be better) On the other hand, the means and method of doing what they do needs to be carefully administrated and managed. I also recognize that the ends do not always justify the means and that once they do it for one purpose, they will find it easier to do it again for another purpose.... and another and another... getting easier each time.
So... damn... I'm just torn.
The vast majority of crap on 4Chan is not worth looking at... whether you're a girl, a boy, or something else entirely.
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While Free6.com included a notice warning that the posting of “child pornography or other illegal material” would be reported to “local authorities,” Burdick had site administrators add a line noting that, “Free6.com may disclose these communications to the authorities at its discretion.”
Site says to stop posting inappropriate, illegal material. Site warns that it will report such content to authorities. Site acts on threat.
So. They found a lot of evidence. Did they actually solve any crimes? I'm being a bit facetious here.
Child porn is regarded as a crime. IMHO, it ought to be regarded as evidence. If it were legal to posess the evidence, as long as you reported it to law enforcement, then it seems like it would be easier to catch the people that actually shoot the vids/pictures.
As it stands, if I'm taping and happen to catch a shooting in progress, there can be all kinds of blood and gore and stuff; but I'm not guilty of anything simply by being in posession of the tape. Everybody knows that, and most will willingly shares the tape with enforcement so they can convict the bad guys.
OTOH, if I found a tape by the side of the road, stuck it in my VCR and it turned out to be kiddie porn I'd be immediately guilty of posessing kiddie porn. Knowing that, simply destroying it is a likely reaction. It could be that the tape is the only clue they have that would lead them to save the lives of the subjects involved; but because the EVIDENCE is illegal to posess, that won't happen.
some people consider an ad for underwear 'a significant amount of child pornography' and our government is more than happy to use that term as an excuse anywhere they can to limit privacy. In this case it probably is accurate. But they also use it to shut down the Christmas Island data sanctuary, snoop on generic internet traffic, argue against apps like TrueCrypt, and on and on. So, I'm against using this argument unless they've done the police work to get a proper court order on a specific target.
standard disclaimer, child porn is bad, etc etc
> I believe that the laws prohibiting possession of child pornography have been shown to reduce the production of same
Citation needed.
I find it hard to believe that throwing someone in jail and ruining their life for having a drawing of Bart Simpson having sex has any beneficial effect. (Here's my citation: http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/12/08/bart-simpson-child-pornography-and-free-speech/ )
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http://www.the-scientist.com/article/display/57169/#ixzz17eM23WmL
No, they’re not. They’re just pixels. The real children who were filmed have already been hurt and you’re not fixing it. I’m sorry.
Distributed Denial of APK: It takes 15 seconds to reply to him anonymously, but wastes tons of his time if we all do it.
Snuff films don't exist. Yes, videos of people dying have been found/made - and collections of accidental death footage have been sold to the public, but nothing like the deliberate filming of a murder for sexual gratification. Videos with amazingly realistic special effects have been found (ask Charlie Sheen) but nothing like what is popularly defined as a "snuff" film has ever been found. http://www.snopes.com/horrors/madmen/snuff.asp
Also "I believe that the laws prohibiting possession of child pornography have been shown to reduce the production of same." - citation needed. Don't get me wrong, I report all that shit to https://secure.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/CybertipServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US when I see it, but what you suggest is, AFAIK, unproven - as well as the equivalent to arresting citizens for reading classified material on wikileaks.
By paying for it, you are encouraging them to make more.
Go green: turn off your refrigerator.
Is there seriously any child porn "industry"?
I know it existed in the 1970s. You could buy it in the back room of bookstores in Manhattan, apparently.
But wasn't most child porn distributed via USENET? How does one go about paying for distributed copies of base7 encoded binary files? And if there was no money being exchanged, should it be legal?
Interesting questions without real answers...
False on multiple levels.
First of all, very little money actually changes hands anymore. Secondly, very few pedos do it for money (statistically speaking almost all abuse happens by relatives or family friends, i.e. crime of opportunity, not for profit). Thirdly, the ones who do try to make money tend to get caught. Fourthly, sharing their personal stuff at all is asking to get caught, so all the more reason they don’t want to sell it or give it away.
Source, assuming you can still access it (it was on wikileaks... good luck with that)... and probably also somewhat NSFW... http://www.google.com/search?q=wikileaks%20%22my%20life%20in%22
Distributed Denial of APK: It takes 15 seconds to reply to him anonymously, but wastes tons of his time if we all do it.
free6.com is/was a Swedish site, why would they give any federationalists from Mexico, USA, Argentina or some other foreign country anything at all? If they like to keep their site free of child porn, fine, that's a good thing. But isn't that something that should be done by a) their abuse administrator and/or b) the police in their own country?
The reason that a rapist rapes women is to satisfy their desire for pornography? I think your logic is flawed.
Distributed Denial of APK: It takes 15 seconds to reply to him anonymously, but wastes tons of his time if we all do it.
Explain to me again how allowing people to download something for free creates a larger black market for the sale of it and encourages the production of more of it... the RIAA and MPAA have been making the exact opposite argument for years now. One of you must be wrong!
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
Purchasing these materials certainly would encourage further production and hence further harm to children.
I would like to point out, however, that we do not use this argument in all cases where it should apply equally. It is illegal to torture-kill someone, but it is perfectly legal to possess or commercially redistribute a recording of such a killing.
Heck, there are plenty sites on the web with various recordings of beheadings and other gruesome executions from Afghanistan, Chechnya etc, and some of those have ads on them, so they directly profit from the views - but I haven't heard about any proposals to ban that practice. I wonder if it's because no-one (?) faps to such videos? Or because no kids are involved?
Ironically, I think that a video in which a child is brutally murdered would, ironically, be quite legal to sell, so long as no nudity is involved.
So if they don't pay for it, it's ok?
We've all learned from the RIAA and MPAA that downloading destroys the industry, so downloading CP should be a good thing.
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When reporting pedophiles using a hosting service I worked for we had regular contact with the police and heard horror stories of converted farms and other properties turned into child porn factories.
At the time it was very hard for the police to get action taken against organizations in Eastern Europe and Russia, and it was a big deal when my friend got a call from Interpol to say that one of the tips was used to nail a large operation.
Granted, this was a decade ago, but there were people then who would pay to get their fix from a single source and I'm sure there are now. Just like any person who prefers a "private" torrent site to limit their IP exposure.
Well the part that pisses me off is that now some are getting busted for thoughtcrime. If someone with better Google Fu than me can find a link there was a guy busted not to long ago for having dirty stories involving children and is now looking at 30 years. that's right folks, not some threatening letters, no actual children anywhere in sight, just words on a a page. And of course I'm sure we've all heard about the guy looking at the same for having some lolicon comics. Again no actual children, nothing to do with reality at all, just pen and ink.
It is THIS bullshit that scares the hell out of me. How does one prove one didn't harm a figment of someone's imagination? How can one protect oneself when a simple .txt file can be dropped somewhere on your multi-TB HDD and get you 30 years? To me we have long gone past trying to protect kids and moved into thought crime, and everyone needs to point that out at every opportunity so they can't use hot button words to keep pushing this crap.
And a final note, one that fills this whole story with mucho irony in my book? According to a friend at the state crime lab the actual child molesters, you know the monsters they are supposedly doing this to catch and stop? Yeah they don't actually use the Internet anymore and haven't for several years now. What do they use? USPS. That's right, they only use the net long enough to set up their network which according to my friend a cop will NOT get into, because one of the prereqs is a video of a child being molested with certain items they will tell you to put in the video and they only give you a short amount of time to "prove your cred". After that it is all done by code and heavily encrypted DVDs via mail drops through good old USPS.
The only way the cops have found out as much as they know is a few got popped after the kids they abused called the law and they found stacks of encrypted DVDs and a few of the mail drops. but if they don't hear from a guy by X he is just labeled 'doa' and dropped from the network. And since the guys are looking at 200+ years they sure ain't gonna roll and no prosecutor is gonna give them any immunity. So he said now the only ones they catch on the net are social retards that haven't touched anyone but themselves and are sitting in some basement fapping to the same crap that has been floating around since the 70s. So all that money, all that effort, and it is a total fricking waste. he said they'd be much better off using that budget to increase investigators for local child abuse, but of course that don't make the 6 o'clock news. Just more theater in the end.
ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
Everyone needs to read that link...seriously. I really don't care WHAT your feelings on the subject are on the Wikileaks page the insider provides links where MEDIADEFENDER is being used to find and prosecute people for CP Now think about that for a minute. You have a private corp, being paid by the government, probably on how many they "bust", to go out and hunt your fellow citizens to hit them with a charge that at best will ruin their lives. Not to mention these are the same morons that were caught doing seriously nasty shit like planting files and then calling the *.A.A on them when they were working for big media, and the same bozos who has sent extortion letters to networked printers.
Do we REALLY want private corps with profit motives and a history of "the ends justify the means" deciding which people go to prison, possibly for life?
ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.