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Equipping a Small Hackerspace?

andy writes "After gentle prodding for about a year, my company actually agreed to include an electronics/robotics lab in the current build-out of our new office space. As I never really expected this to happen, I was at a bit of a loss when they asked me what sort of workbenches, equipment, etc. I wanted for the lab. The lab will only be approximately 9'x15' but there is a decent amount of vertical space to work with. I was thinking of having 2 workbenches side-by-side, one for 'hardware' and the other for 'software' with a floor-standing cabinet for storage. Semi-mobile workbenches might be a plus. Those of you that work in these sorts of environments, what do you recommend in the way of workbenches, storage, organization, and electronics?"

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  1. Re:Two questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Unfortunately, the robotics lab is only there so they can 'train/build' their replacements.

  2. flex the bubble from the inside out by digitalsushi · · Score: 4, Funny

    You will already have the core things you need 90% of the time. Go install your desks in an ergo way, then give your core tools a nice spot to live. Don't worry, they will get lost, borrowed, and misplaced quickly. Soon you'll have three of each, and you'll always know where one is.

    The rest will evolve organically. Let it flow in as each project evolves. The most clever configuration will be the one that is flexed from the inside out, as your frustrations permanently solve yet another configuration issue. In a few years, people will wonder how your tech feng shui is so strong.

    Eventually people who visit your hackerspace will coo at the random junk bottles of parts, odd CAD lamp lighting, and floor stains, completely oblivious to the purpose, but envious to their shallow cores at the shininess. You will be envied in your organic nerd pile.

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  3. get modular drawer cabinets by johnny+cashed · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Like Vidmar, Bott, or Lista. Lots of storage, small space. Can also be used to hold up a benchtop. Pricey, but you won't regret them.

    1. Re:get modular drawer cabinets by couchslug · · Score: 3, Interesting

      YES.

      I've run several aircraft maintenance and inspection section toolrooms in the Air Force, and good bench/storage solutions are a major "workspace effectiveness multiplier".

      I have _severe_ love for Lista. We even got our Snap-on rep to work with the Lista rep to get our Lista box foam cut for our tools.
      Snap-on boxes are very nice, but Lista IMO makes even better ones that survive G.I. abuse and often cost less.

      Leadership like the professional appearance of modern workspaces, which helps sell what you do for them.

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  4. Vertical Space by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you have a lot of vertical space, you could utilize some good pegboard and hangar brackets to store most of your tools. Also, I always find myself in want of a drill press and, to a lesser extent, a lathe and a mill. Welding equipment is also a plus. But all of those (minus a drill press, those can be pretty small) take up space. Fans and heaters are a nice convenience, if there isn't already some sort of environmental control. Finally, if other people than yourself are going to be working there regularly (I think that's kind of the definition of a hackerspace) then you might want to get a really nice label-maker/gun so that things stay relatively organized.

    1. Re:Vertical Space by Java+Pimp · · Score: 4, Funny

      you might want to get a really nice label-maker/gun so that things stay relatively organized.

      Is the gun for just in case the label-maker approach does not work?

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    2. Re:Vertical Space by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Actually guns are good for all around organizational features.

      Just the other day, I opened my drawer to get my VB5 reference book, thought it'd be a great idea to whip up a form using Access 2000 for the database.

      I had left my gun in my drawer on top of the book. So when I went to get the book, I had to pick up the gun. I then had a flash of bad memories, from the last time I used VB5, and was overcome with suicidal thoughts. I then realized that I was contemplating suicide, and I already had a gun in my hand, so I quickly put it back on top of the VB Book, closed the drawer, and have vowed never to touch that attrocity ever again.

      This happens about twice a season.

    3. Re:Vertical Space by couchslug · · Score: 3, Informative

      "Can you legitimately weld in a 9x15 foot room?"

      Sure, though I'd prefer a TIG machine since it's a very neat process.

      Good welding forums ample info and reasonable participants:

      http://www.millerwelds.com/resources/communities/mboard/

      http://www.hobartwelders.com/weldtalk/

      http://weldingweb.com/

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  5. Lots of stuff by larwe · · Score: 5, Informative

    Make the most of the vertical space if it's against a wall. You will want to have several pieces of reasonably heavy equipment semipermanently present above the workbench - so build a couple of deep, sturdy shelves that can hold your benchtop PSUs, oscilloscopes, spectrum analyzers, etc. The probes and wires dangle down from the front. The lowest shelf should be as low as possible while still clearing the top of the tallest PC monitor you intend to put on that bench. Support those shelves with at least 1.5x the manufacturer-recommended number of pegs. The back of the shelf should have enough room to the wall, or cutouts, to fit - comfortably - an AC plug so that you don't have to move heaven and earth in order to add or remove an AC-powered piece of equipment from amongst the stuff on either side of it. As well as outlets at floor level, you need an outlet strip running down the back of the bench, or on the wall behind the bench at chest level to a seated person, with a minimum of 8-10 outlets per workbench. The outlets should be spaced far enough apart that they can hold a plugpack. DO NOT think that 6-way adapters are "good enough". It is a royal pain in the ass to deal with them, and they add to cable clutter. You will probably want a local Ethernet network for testing net-booting appliances, as well as wiring into your regular Internet connection. So make room for a small Ethernet switch. Use some more of the wall space for component drawers of the type people use to store nails, screws, etc. You cannot have too many of these. Since you will probably be using many SMD components (I know I do!) make a rack for the reels. A regular piece of wooden dowel with a sturdy chain attached to each end, suspended from the center of the chain, works OK. Having loose reels around the place is another pain in the ass - if you have them on a dowel then you can put R/C/L values in neat order, separate diodes from transistors, etc. These are a few of my suggestions based on my own workspace (I do this sort of thing on a contract basis)... I personally have also ditched all my desktop PCs and use netbooks and notebooks exclusively - much of the hardware you'll be using has to be tethered to the dev system by a short USB cable, and having a desktop PC up close enough really wastes desktop real estate.

  6. Stuff by JBMcB · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Monitor arms and wireless keyboards/mice, or a keyboard drawer. This frees up valuable desk space for working on stuff.

    Also useful:

    USB port replicator - used for laptops, gets legacy and USB ports up on the desk from the tower, so you can get at them.
    Variable power supply - get good ones with a couple of voltage options. +/- 5V, +/- 12V rails along with a variable output is very handy
    Plenty of outlets on the desks or, better yet, built into the desks
    Grounding - if you can't get grounded desks, get antistatic pads or, at least, antistatic wrist straps, and ground everything you can

    The three things you shouldn't scrimp on - power supply, soldering station with adjustable temperature, multimeter

    Get a cheap desktop for the hardware station - interfacing with hardware doesn't take much horsepower.

    Buy a monster for the software station so you can run multiple OSes in virtual machines - get the free VMWare player that lets you create virtual machines and you can run Solaris, Linux, FreeBSD, etc...

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  7. power points, shelves and lighting by Richard_J_N · · Score: 4, Informative

    - Cover the wall in network and power-points - you might well make use of 12 ethernet ports and 50 mains sockets.
    - Have deep, load-bearing shelves above the workbench, (again, with power), and under-shelf lighting.
    - Consider the ergonomics: workbench height for standing (and some tall stools), a/c, bright light, silent computers. LCD monitor on a swing-arm?
    - If money is limited, you're probably better off with a larger variety of stock and tools than with fewer expensive ones.
    - Do you need the ability to make it dark? Plumbing? Dust/Fume extraction?
    - Ensure the floor is easy to clean, not static-prone, and easy to see where you dropped things.

    1. Re:power points, shelves and lighting by JustinOpinion · · Score: 3, Interesting

      One thing worth looking into are the desks sold by AnthroCart. They can address some of the points you mentioned (power availability, ergonomics, ...).

      AnthroCarts are not cheap, but they are solid, can carry substantial weight, and will last a long time. They are also modular: you can buy more pieces to extend them (adding shelves, etc.), or alter the height of shelves if necessary. Most of the pieces are on wheels (with locks) which is perfect for a workspace with constantly changing projects (need the wiring station in another room? Just roll it there.). You can also buy power bars that integrate directly to the Anthro desks/tables, so that all your equipment stays plugged in but is easy to move around. Many of the models also have adjustable-height work surfaces, which is great for adjusting keyboard height or moving the work surface as needed...

      No, I don't work for them. Just a happy customer. The downsides are the cost and that assembly takes longer than other furniture (because they use things like actual screws instead of crappy quick-connect pieces).

  8. Re:Why are they making this? by digitalsushi · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sincerely,
    Person with a Ph.D. in EE who has worked with hardware development for 15 years.

    Aw, that's rough buddy! Hit me up and I'll teach you how to create a login. It's not that bad!

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  9. what's the budget? by Surt · · Score: 3, Funny

    Surely the budget is relevant. Otherwise, I'd go 9x15xvertical worth of gold ingots and a lousy security system you know how to beat.

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    1. Re:what's the budget? by camperdave · · Score: 3, Funny

      Surely the budget is relevant. Otherwise, I'd go 9x15xvertical worth of gold ingots and a lousy security system you know how to beat.

      ... and a truck with good suspension.

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  10. Two thoughts... by rickb928 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    1) Wheels on stuff is cool. Make sure at least 2 of 4 wheels lock, and get the biggest diameter wheels you can stand. Rolling a workbench with 600+lbs on it will shred those plastic casters.

    2) If you're going vertical, get a Little Giant-like ladder that splits into two a-frames, other brands work very well. Handy to be able to a-frame it, stretch it out and store vertically in a corner, use with planks as a third workbench, and of course lend out under constant supervision when someone else needs one.

    There is little else as much fun as establishing a new shopspace. I've done three big ones, and it's a riot. Just be glad you're not working on portable tape recorders, and have to explain the $400 P.O. for screws. Having a 1x1.2mm screw when you need one; priceless. Sony made great stuff back then, man.

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  11. Re:What kind of slashdotter by Billy+the+Mountain · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yeah, plus there is a really good chance there's one near you so you no longer have any excuses (they are currently popping up like mushrooms):

    Hacker Space Finder

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  12. Re:Two questions by arth1 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Never attribute to bad grammar that which can be explained by Dear aunt, let's set so double the killer delete select all.

  13. This is what I have in my lab by mirix · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Which is sadly under utilized these days (too much real work unfortunately)

    Several voltmeters - I like the old Fluke bench units... LED displays you can see across the room, and the batteries are never dead because there are none.
    Several scopes - tek is king here.
    Drill press - bloody essential for anything mechanical at all.
    Logic analyzer, i'm partial to the HP ones
    Spectrum analyzer - pricy, but a godsend for RF work (if you'll be doing any) - HP, again.
    Power supply - hp made good ones again. you can never have too many it seems. I have some homebrew ones too - ATX supplies and random ebay SMPS units can be handy and dirt cheap, but not adjustable (you can add an external reg easily though..)
    Freq counter - hp, but fluke made decent ones. more for RF, but can be handy for digital, clocking and stuff...
    Freq gen, whether you need a lower freq audio one or one that does RF depends on what you're planning on.

    For soldering irons im partial to the hakko ones, '936' is the model, and there are plenty of knockoffs available on ebay. The genuine model isn't crazy expensive though.

    Then a PC, a few programmers, depending on what you want. I'm partial to Atmel's AVR, but PIC is big, some folks are still stuck with moto 6800 derivatives for some unknown reason, likewise with 8051's... For the money ARM is really the way to go, but I havent played with them much yet. Some sort of JTAG unit will be handy for random programming also. I usually use a linux box with avr-gcc, but some tools are win32 only, so might want to have a windows box or virtualbox around - not to mention some schematic / board layout stuff is win only too.

    For dev boards, I have a few from atmel, but some of them are pretty pricy. these guys make some nice dev boards, but I'm not crazy about their compiler. The IDE looks nice enough, but I'm used to gcc and my own editor. I have one of their AVR boards, and I use a GPL'd AVR based AVR programmer (chicken and egg if you dont already have one ;) ) with it, because their built in programmers (which work well, mind you) are windows only.

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  14. Re:Third Question by Clandestine_Blaze · · Score: 4, Funny

    Why do all the neat opportunities always go to the lads with the fewest clues?

    by RobotRunAmok (595286)

    See what happens when you don't plan your robotics lab out properly? They riot and start posting on /.