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Stuxnet Still Out of Control At Iran Nuclear Sites

Velcroman1 writes "Iran's nuclear program is still in chaos despite its leaders' adamant claim that they have contained the computer worm that attacked their facilities, cybersecurity experts in the US and Europe say. Last week President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, after months of denials, admitted that the worm had penetrated Iran's nuclear sites, but he said it was detected and controlled. The second part of that claim, experts say, doesn't ring true. Owners of several security sites have discovered huge bumps in traffic from Iran, as the country tries to deal with Stuxnet. 'Our traffic from Iran has really spiked,' said a corporate officer who asked that neither he nor his company be named. 'Iran now represents 14.9 percent of total traffic, surpassing the United States with a total of 12.1 percent.'"

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  1. This Is Real Hacktivism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Unlike those kids at Anonymous, the perpetrators of stuxnet are showing who are the real hacktivists.

    Targeted precise strike on Iran's nuclear capabilities, this is a bigger win for freedom and security in the free world and anything wikileaks or their supporters could dream of doing.

    I commend these hackers for slowing down the evil Iranian government's nuclear ambitions.

    1. Re:This Is Real Hacktivism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      These weren't 'hacktivists'. These were government employed/contracted hackers.

    2. Re:This Is Real Hacktivism by icebike · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Your glee might be tempered a bit when this thing gets propagated to Europe, North America, and the rest of the world.

      It seems just as likely that the guys running Turbines for your local power company are no better equipped to handle this than Iran. In Iran, they have unlimited budget and first call upon the best brains in the country.

      Your local power company? Not so much.

      Viruses and worms seem unlikely to honor boundaries forever. At least a surprise bombing run on a reactor in Iran is unlikely to hit Con-Edison in NY.

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    3. Re:This Is Real Hacktivism by quokkaZ · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The whole piece is based on a Fox News article. That by definition makes it unreliable. Quoting anonymous "security experts" is worthless and just citing the number of users signing on to Stuxnet security sites is hardly any better. I don't know if the Iranians have this thing under control or not and in all likelihood neither does Fox News.

      While you luxuriate in your little cocoon of ideologically induced ignorance, others might like to consider some of the facts:

      1. Iran as a signatory to the NPT has a right to run nuclear power plants. Even Hilary Clinton doesn't object to the Bashehr facility.

      2. Bushehr facility is a Russian VVER pressurized water reactor. Russia is supplying the fuel and taking away the spent fuel. PWRs are very unsuited to producing weapons grade material. They must be shutdown for refueling. To produce PU239 uncontaminated with significant PU240, which is for all practical purposes inseparable from PU239, you need a short fuel cycle. The frequent lengthly shutdowns makes this an infeasible proposition. PU239 contaminated with significant amounts of PU240 is just not much use for weapons - it would fry the bomb makers with significant risk of premature detonation.

      3. Iran certainly has an uranium enrichment program and this would give them a "break out capability" but whether Iran is actually producing or about to produce nuclear weapons is another matter entirely and not supported by any substantive evidence.

      4. Whether Iran's nuclear program is "evil" is at most a matter of opinion. However, what would be construed as evil by most thinking people is the installation of the Shah by the CIA at the behest of British oil interests with the support of the British government. Rather unsurprisingly, nations tend to know their own history and mostly do believe in their right to self determination. Viewed against this historical backdrop, the most likely factor in triggering an Iranian weapons program would be a continuing and ramped up aggressive posture by the United States.

  2. Re: Iran... by Threni · · Score: 4, Insightful

    > Also, it is considered dishonorable for a man to admit ignorance.

    So how do you explain that fucking bearded cunt in a suit saying stuff like `the holocaust didn't happen` and `we have no homosexuals in Iran`?

  3. Nucular, really? by olden · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So Stuxnet chatter is still observed around the planet, including in Iran and the US. Duh.

    Now how exactly does this "expert" come to the conclusion that, somehow, activity from the US etc must be from infected home PCs, yet the same from Iran must be from some seekret uranium enrichment plant, which typically wound not be connected to the internet?

    Oh, my bad, forgot, this comes from ScareTV... Never mind.

  4. Re:Iran Saving The Middle East From Israeli Terror by nyctopterus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Angry people... like you?

  5. Re:Virus and Iran again in front page? by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hey, this is a serious "nerds at war" story. Slashdot would be remiss to not cover what might be greatest exploit of weapons grade professional hacking in world history. How long before Slashdot "friends" find themselves on opposite sides of an actual war where key infrastructure is literally exploding? Because that's exactly what those worm coders did: Blow up uranium centrifuges in militarized underground bunkers. This really is the start of a new era in the history of nerddom, and if anything, it should be getting more attention from nerds. Maybe some of the authors of that worm even have user accounts here.

  6. Re:The difference engineering makes by Rich0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Symantec speculates a team size around 5-10 not including QA (whatever the heck that means).

    Uh, good thing that programmers don't need QA or managers, and so on.

    And yes, QA matters for an operation like this. You're probably having spies plant the bug, and they could get killed in the process. You don't risk spies on code that isn't tested.

    Likewise, a fizzled attempt will likely trigger countermeasures making a future attack more difficult.

    QA means getting it right the first time. That probably means creating a simulated environment and testing the software out in this environment. Sure, you don't need actual centrifuges and turbines, but you probably need software that emulates the feedback such machines would return to their controllers. I'm sure they didn't factor that into their "5-10" count.

    I've worked on some IT projects where quality was serious business, and you can easily spend as much on testing as you spend on development. For a typical military-style coding effort factor in a WHOLE lot more.

  7. Re: Iran... by Jeremi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So how do you explain that fucking bearded cunt in a suit saying stuff like `the holocaust didn't happen` and `we have no homosexuals in Iran`?

    He's saying things his constituents want to hear, just like other fucking cunts say things like "we don't torture" or "the US government does not spy on American citizens without a warrant". In both cases it's not ignorance, it's deliberate deception.

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  8. Re: Iran... by lewko · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Scroll up, douchebag and realize that there are people in Islamist states who have been killed for writing a single article. There are people in North Korea who disappear for speaking badly about the Government.

    All the people marching in the streets this week about Julian Assange... Where were they when it was Iranian, North Korean or Chinese dissidents? Nowhere.

    These people don't truly care about freedom at all. If anything, their reflexive anti-American views are the exact opposite. People serving jail time for opposing their government must look at Julian Assange like a spoilt little brat.

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  9. Re: Iran... by lewko · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When he says 'let's nuke Israel and kill another six million Jews', I don't see how you can compare that to even the worst thing a Western politician has EVER said.

    And if that's truly what his constituents want to hear, then they too deserve everything they get.

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  10. Re: Iran... by lewko · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Seriously... do you think the Iranians are somehow genetically different from the rest of us?

    Err... Yes?

    Just as black people are genetically different to whites, Asians are to Swedes.

    Did your brain just explode? Or is this where you call me a racist?

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  11. Re: Iran... by kestasjk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Does that Persian then go out and burn tokens which represent traffic in a street rally?
    Do Persian public representatives chant "death to traffic" in unison as the first order of business after getting power?
    Is being beaten to death by mounted police / getting stoned to death a bizarre pastime for Persian women?
    Are covert uranium enrichment facilities just another wacky Iranian cultural quirk?

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