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WikiLeaks, Money, and Ron Paul

Another day, another dozen WikiLeaks stories, several of which revolve around money. PayPal has given in to pressure to release WikiLeaks funds, though they still won't do further transactions. Mobile payment firm Xipwire is attempting to take PayPal's place. "We do think people should be able to make their own decisions as to who they donate to." PCWorld wonders if the WikiLeaks' money woes could lead to great adoption of Bitcoin, the peer-to-peer currency system we've discussed in the past. Meanwhile, Representative Ron Paul spoke in defense of WikiLeaks on the House floor Thursday, asking a number of questions, including, "Could it be that the real reason for the near universal attacks on WikiLeaks is more about secretly maintaining a seriously flawed foreign policy of empire than it is about national security?" The current uproar over WikiLeaks has prompted Paul Vixie to call for an end to the DDoS attacks and Vladimir Putin to break out a metaphor involving cows and hockey pucks.

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  1. Ron Paul by bmajik · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We don't have to wonder, since the SecDef has said that no US soldiers, missions, or security were harmed or jeapordized by the Wikileaks releases.

    So what are they so mad about?

    Being made to look like spoiled children, that's what. Being shown to be backstabbing hypocrites. This is the political equivalent of being pantsed on the world stage.

    There are a small handful of votes where Ron Paul has voted in a way that would be upsetting to left-liberals (gay adoption in DC comes to mind), but aside from that, I don't think there is anyone in DC more passionately committed to personal freedom than Ron Paul. The strong support for Wikileaks is just another example.

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    1. Re:Ron Paul by Amorymeltzer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If there's one thing Tron Paul gets it's the Constitution. I personal freedom (construed broadly) is a misnomer, I think, when it comes to Paul, but at least someone in there realizes that this is about freedom of speech, the integrity of the press, and human rights.

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    2. Re:Ron Paul by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Hold on, hold on, you think it's the cables that led the arrests? 'scuse me? That cat is out of the bag and it's not like there's anything that can be done about it.

      The big leap upon Assange and the attempt to squelch Wikileaks came when they announced they got material that would make an important bank go keel up.

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    3. Re:Ron Paul by erroneus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We know this. Ron Paul knows this. Ron Paul is calling BS on the current excitement which is, in short, nothing to get excited about.

      Ron Paul is showing in clear detail that the Vietnam war, and the current wars were based on lies and disinformation. He is also alluding to the fact that the pursuit/persecution of Assange and the "outrage" over Wikileaks is also a distraction from the real intent and future actions.

      Yes, it's the banking industry that is most threatened here. It's what really makes the world go round. Throw the switch, Wikileaks! Throw the switch! It's time we started the new year with something better than this.

    4. Re:Ron Paul by commodore64_love · · Score: 5, Insightful

      >>>No one is suppressing the writings of Assange or any other protester

      Yes. Yes they are.
      They wish to silence him via arrest.

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    5. Re:Ron Paul by multisync · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They wish to silence him via arrest.

      Also, pressuring companies to cut off service to wikiLeaks because it is a "criminal organization." What laws have they broken? Who's laws? Were those laws written prio to the commission of the "crime?"

      This is a denial of service. A company can not refuse to serve someone because of their religeon, or the colour of their skin.

      Others are calling for the assassination, or arrest and execution (which pretty much amounts to the same thing) of people working for WikiLeaks.

      This is absolutely a free speach issue, and if ordinary people don't draw a line in the sand and support WikiLeaks - even if they don't like the fact that theses particular cables were leaked - they will one day find themselves prevented from being allowed to know what their government is up to.

      There's a word for that, and it ain't democracy.

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    6. Re:Ron Paul by SomeKDEUser · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Thank you. The concept of letting people die because you think you have the moral high ground is abhorrent. Fantasise about your pink-pony society where foetus are people and abortion is a lifestyle issue, but by Hell, don't go making actual humans miserable because you can't handle reality.

  2. Re:Mob rule justified? by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Vixie's fallacy is that the law is impartial, and that the rule of law does not favor either side but instead wants to distribute "justice".

    That's not the case.

    The law always supports the side that makes the law.

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  3. Hey look, everyone. It's a fucking pussy communist by copponex · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Paypal and Amazon both gave in to US government pressure to eliminate their services to WikiLeaks. Since WikiLeaks depends on internet presence and donations to exist, it's no different than cutting the power to a house. In this case, it signaled to any other internet provider that they would no longer be friends to the US government, which per the norm, acts like a local mafia boss in enforcing its will in the neighborhood.

    The United States differs from other States only in that it does not overtly tell someone to shut up. It threatens charges. It stays quiet while members of it's government and celebrity punditry call for assassination. It sends a few spooks around to anyone connected with you. It's a base form of terrorism, and differs from the KGB only in that it has to look like an accident if they decide to eliminate you. They like plausible deniability because the miserable pro-authoritarian sycophants like you can pretend that those things don't happen, and you'll continue to support the government regardless of how badly they ignore the laws they are supposed to be following.

    Take a look at the latest Nobel Peace Prize winner, Liu Xiaobo. What is the effective difference of the Chinese government throwing him in prison, and the US leaning on Sweden to bring back trumped up charges so Assange could be detained while they build a bullshit case to do the same thing? We just have better PR.

    Honestly, you're fucking pathetic. You are everything that is wrong with democracy today, because you don't even know what freedom of speech is, or why it's important. I hope you end up in the society you dream of, protesting the latest corporate takeover of your publicly funded infrastructure from your "Free Speech Zone" like the coward you are in order to keep what little freedom they decide to let you keep for the time being.

  4. it's simple by Charliemopps · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A government will advocate for freedom of the press as long as that freedom is used to embarrass other governments and further it's own interests. Once the those things get turned around and focused on the advocate country they quickly call it espionage and treason. If Wikileaks focused on China and their members were hunted down in other countries and then Jailed in China, the state department would call them political prisoners and demand their release. Citizens of the United States should listen very carefully to what their representative have to say about this issue. It will show exactly what kind of freedom they support. Freedom of speech or freedom to agree.

  5. Re:Hey look, everyone. It's a fucking pussy commun by copponex · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They're not conservative or liberal. They're authoritarian, just like Stalin.

    Sure, if you want to go back to before the Revolution communism meant something else, but I'm not trying to convince an academic in some paper. I'm trying to convince a citizen that they're seriously fucking up the whole concept of democracy and the importance of freedom of expression.

    Step away from this "left versus right" thing. In reality, what difference is there between Communism and Fascism? Does it make a difference whether a small elite group rules the state which rules commerce, or whether a small elite group rules commerce which rules the state? What if that group is an enlightened oligarchy, or a backwards junta? I suppose you could make a very weak argument that intellectual genocide has more merit than ethnic genocide, but I wouldn't agree. They are both two sides of the same coin: murder to create order.

    The measurements of government cannot be drawn on a line graph. Even Canada has been waging it's war on personal freedom through the suppression of drug use, which is the very definition of totalitarianism: prosecuting someone for exercising personal freedom.