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Ukraine To Open Chernobyl Area To Tourists

Pickens writes "The Washington Post reports that Ukraine plans to open up the sealed zone around the Chernobyl reactor to visitors who wish to learn more about the tragedy that occurred nearly a quarter of a century ago. Emergency Situations Ministry spokeswoman Yulia Yershova says experts are developing travel routes that will be both medically safe and informative. 'There are things to see there if one follows the official route and doesn't stray away from the group,' says Yershova. Though it is a very sad story.' The ministry also says it hopes to finish building a new safer shell for the exploded reactor by 2015 that will cover the original iron-and-concrete structure hastily built over the reactor that has been leaking radiation, cracking and threatening to collapse. About 2,500 employees maintain the remains of the now-closed nuclear plant, working in shifts to minimize their exposure to radiation and several hundred evacuees have returned to their villages in the area despite a government ban."

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  1. wait, what? by Swampash · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But Greenpeace told me that half the frickin' Ukraine was going to be instant radioactive death for ten thousand years...

    1. Re:wait, what? by Third+Position · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, most amusement parks are overhyped. Advertising, you know...

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    2. Re:wait, what? by h4rm0ny · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Some people seem to think that if you don't instantly die, then everything's fine. Never mind if incidence of cancer or birth deformities sky-rocketed for people in areas of radioactive fall-out, if people's heads aren't exploding, it's "Green Hysteria."

      I'd love to visit the place, mind you. I hear that their restaurants serve a lovely leg of fish.

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    3. Re:wait, what? by CRCulver · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The reality is more people die each year on the road outside my window (the A14, in the UK) than due to all the after-effects of Chernobyl put together.

      The effects of Chernobyl are not limited to higher cancer rates for people. They also encompassed destruction of agricultural land, even Saami reindeer herds, by winds blowing north on that fateful April day. Some car accidents on your local motorway doesn't destroy thousands of people's livelihoods over a fairly broad swath of northern Europe.

      FWIW, I support nuclear power and always point out to Greens that this particular accident was due to human error and faulty design, a level of risk that modern reactors don't run. But let's not pretend Chernobyl was inconsequential.

    4. Re:wait, what? by kanto · · Score: 5, Funny

      They're bound to get glowing reviews though once the tours get started.

    5. Re:wait, what? by e70838 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Chernobyl was not inconsequential, but the facts are:
      1) the (too huge) number of dead people is comparable to the number of people dead in car accidents
      2) the nasty effects on the ecosystem are inferior to the positive effect of the departure of humans.

      If we care mostly on ecosystem, Chernobyl is far from the top list of ecological catastrophes.
      The consequences are mostly on humans that had to leave or that have been killed or injured.

    6. Re:wait, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The fact the their government decided to open Chernobyl for tourism is not surprising to me. I moved to from Ukraine in late 80s when I was still a teenager. We lived approximately 300 miles away from Chernobyl. Without any history of cancer in my family... a few years later... I was diagnosed with cancer, having gone through number of surgeries and treatments I'm now cancer free. I have to see my doctor every 6 months to make sure cancer is not back. My friend`s girlfriend was a dancer from one of those dance groups/bands in Ukraine, she came to visit in US. One day she wasn't feeling good and went to the doctor... needless to say, she was diagnosed with the latest stage of cancer- untreatable and died a couple of weeks later. She was 25 and guess what, nobody in her family had a history of cancer until after Chernobyl disaster.
      What do I think about Chernobyl ? I think former Soviet government F***ed-UP big time prior to the disaster as it was preventable. People that worked for the government at the time that were honest and spoke up, well, the government sent those people to Chernobyl for cleanup, most if not All of those people are dead now. Hundreds of thousands of people that live in Ukraine and Russia are diagnosed with cancer and hundreds of thousands of people have already died.
      This wasn't anything that would have an afteraffects of a nuke, this was much greater. So, what do i think about people that decide to visit Chernobyl ? I think that they are nothing short of Idiots. Hopefully people that are considering to visit Chernobyl will wake up one day and decide to stop taking the Stupid Pills.

  2. Re:Wait... by nicholas22 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nothing. There is little background radiation in most places and I'm pretty certain they'll want to avoid taking you to places with higher radiation if they want this tourism thing to last. Don't forget, there are people who *live* in that area and have lived for almost their entire life. So, a visit of a few days, so long as it does not involve taking you to any highly dangerous places, e.g. the core itself, should really be fine.

  3. I hope the tourists don't wreck it. by nounderscores · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I know that the most interesting places will be the apartment buildings and other structures where the cold war era artifacts are left untouched. I hope that they stay that way, and don't get sanitised or removed by tourists. The first tour of the area will probably be the best.

    1. Re:I hope the tourists don't wreck it. by will_die · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I was there in July, part of the "illegal"(yea sure since the government gets a portion of the fee) tours.
      Most places are in ruins and falling apart, anything of value has been stripped from inside the building. You do have large soviet items that are to big to haul away, that are left. What you get in the building are books, bottles, desks ,etc.
      You have to worry about nails, broken glass, etc. So I am afraid the government will clean up the area put down carpeting and ropes and make it museum instead of place you have wander around. However as it is I would guess the government is going to close down the private tours and control the whole thing, they will advertise it more and take bus loads of people instead of the smaller vans currently used.
      that said it was one of the best tours I have ever been on, and will probably go again, would like to do one of the overnight tours so I can get farther into the city.
      One other thing about them doing this is that Kyiv is the location of some upcoming European football tournament so they are having lots of people coming and doing lots of upgrades and contructions, new airport, new hotels etc. As it is Kyiv is not that tourist friendly but is a great place to go to now.

  4. RE: Already Open by Archon-X · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually, the area is already open to a plethora of tourists and buses. You pay your $50USD, and you get taken through the exclusion zone(s), stopping at the monuments, reactor, and Pripryat.

    Some snaps from my trip, for the interested:

    http://ninjito.com/2008-08-16

    The reactor:
    http://ninjito.com/2008-08-16/qx-ch-6.jpg
    'The' hotel in Pripryat
    http://ninjito.com/2008-09-12-PANO/qx-pano-pripyat-1.jpg
    Roof of the hotel, with the reactor in the background [Note, this was seen by 'straying from the group ;)]
    http://ninjito.com/2008-09-12-PANO/qx-pano-pripyat-2.jpg
    Neat shot of some of the hidden murels
    http://ninjito.com/2008-08-16/qx-pripyat-1.jpg

  5. It's already been open to tourists for years by timbo234 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Some friends of mine did a tour through there - to within ~200 metres of the reactor 'sarcophagus' a few months ago. These tours have been running for years now form several different operators. Look up any travel website or just google 'chernobyl tours' and you'll find plenty about this.

    I read the article but still can't understand WTF it's about when you consider these tours have been going on for years.

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  6. Re:Wait... by will_die · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There is alot of background radiation, above normal levels, there. At reator #4, the one that blew, as soon as the doors to the vans opened the gieger counters went off. At that place it was around 5x normal levels. Most places were only 2x-3x unless you got near metal structure or some buildings.
    When we got to the ferris wheel the guides stired up places where dust had collected due to rain water and that gave alarms of around 18x normal levels.
    If you go by what we were told the amount of extra radiation we got from the day there was less then the amount of extra radiation a flight from NYC to Paris would of given.

  7. Interesting preservation question by fantomas · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You hope that tourists don't wreck "it".

    The problem I think is deciding what "it" is. The state of the area on 13 December 2010? What happens if a tourist breaks off a piece of something / steals something? do you put a replica in its place? What happens if there is heavy snowfall this year or rainstorms and these threaten to damage the soviet murals in the buildings or even collapse a roof of a building. Do you let them collapse, rebuild them, actively preserve them in some state?

    This is the dilemma - what is the state you want to keep things in? Clearly the place has been touched by people, weather, and wildlife since (1986 was it?) - there's decay, graffitti, some stuff has been moved or stolen. What are your feelings? is it a tourist park, or a memorial, or other? Historians and cultural experts all have opinions about this.

    Close to home, in the town I live in, Bletchley Park also has this issue to a small degree. They are always struggling for money but one question they have to think about is what state to preserve the place. A lot of the the famous codebreaking huts are in really poor condition - but then they were only designed as temporary wooden buildings to last a few years in the war. Now 70 years on their cheap constructions are falling apart. Do we freeze them somehow? tear them down and build replicas (but maybe to higher quality so they last longer and can survive tourists)? Do we save what is left and incorporate some of that original material alongside new material (replacing rotten wood, etc?

    A big challenge for cultural preservation everywhere. What is the purpose of the Chernobyl area? What do you do when the buildings become unsafe because the weather has got in and they are in danger of falling down?

  8. Interesting... by SharpFang · · Score: 5, Informative

    AFAIK, the zone is already open for tourists. In guided tours, with authorized guides, the tour takes at most a day, visitors are screened for radiation levels upon entering and exitting and the guide has an active geiger counter at all times (which is one of major attractions too). At least a few travel agencies in Poland and Ukraine offer these tours (e.g. link)

    The route, time and organization of these tours really minimizes all radiation-related danger to bare minimum and as long as you follow the guide, there is no risk of overexposure whatsoever. (still, the free-roaming of Pripyat part of the tour, on the other hand, has a considerable risk of getting hurt by parts of ruined buildings.)

    The zone is in major part uncontaminated and totally harmless (save for rabid wolves, collapsing roofs of houses, getting lost and freezing to death, wild boars and the likes) but there are still many smaller or bigger patches of more radioactive areas - not radioactive enough to harm you if you cross in a car or even walking at a fast pace, but enough to mean somewhat heightened cancer risk if you camp there for a night. Generally, if you have a geiger counter and an inch of brain to follow what it says, radiation is not a danger - the count rises, you turn around. If you are an experienced hiker and have some rudimentary means of defense from wild animals, you can spend weeks in the zone just fine.

    Generally, obtaining permission to enter the zone is not very hard. Many Airsoft groups organize their games there for example. Which areas you are allowed to enter and for how long, is a different matter. You get day permissions at most for Pripyat, but for example, the far west of the zone is pretty open and accessible - the standard 30km perimeter around the power plant has been extended about 30km more to the east-north-east where one of two major clouds of contamination struck. That cloud was long, wide, but more stretched, so the levels near that border of the zone have already dropped to entirely safe levels by now and getting a prolonged permit for that area is not a problem at all.

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  9. Re: Already Open by Canazza · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yeah, I was planning to take my mate there for his Stag Weekend, mainly so that he can't have kids.

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  10. Re:Caution: car analogy follows: by khallow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Your analogy is stupid. Just because you don't understand the risks of a short visit to Chernobyl doesn't mean that everyone else is as clueless. For example, for point 1, just buy a geiger detector that picks up alpha particles. Problem solved.

    Second, a highway has clearly defined borders. There's no similar border between the land near the cask at Chernobyl and your lungs wherever in the world you happen to be. Third, any plutonium from Chernobyl has had decades to chemically bind in Earth's highly reactive environment. Fourth, you're probably taking risks right now, such as driving or taking a shower, which are probably far more dangerous to your long term health than a little time at Chernobyl.

    Finally, no matter where you are on Earth's surface, you are in a high radiation environment. Right this minute you are exposed to scary, dangerous stuff like cosmic rays, radon and other uranium and thorium decay products, and even some long term decay products from the nuclear bomb tests and large scale nuclear accidents like Chernobyl. What makes a trip to Chernobyl even slightly increase your risk of dying from scary, dangerous radiation?