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Air Force Blocks NY Times, WaPo, Other Media

The Wall Street Journal is reporting that the Air Force, not content with blocking WikiLeaks and its mirrors, has begun blocking media sites carrying WL documents. "Air Force users who try to view the websites of the New York Times, Britain's Guardian, Spain's El Pais, France's Le Monde or German magazine Der Spiegel instead get a page that says, 'ACCESS DENIED. Internet Usage is Logged & Monitored'... The Air Force says it has blocked more than 25 websites that contain WikiLeaks documents, in order to keep classified material off unclassified computer systems. ... The move was ordered by the 24th Air Force... The Army, Navy, and Marines aren't blocking the sites, and the Defense Department hasn't told the services to do so, according to spokespeople for the services and the Pentagon."

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  1. Quick, Close the Barn Door!!! by Machupo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We don't want the stable-hands still inside to see that the horses are gone.

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    1. Re:Quick, Close the Barn Door!!! by flyingsquid · · Score: 5, Funny
      I picture a bunch of high ranking Air Force guys in their fancy uniforms sitting around on futons in someone's apartment. There's a blacklight on, Pink Floyd's _Dark Side of the Moon_ is playing, and they're passing this enormous bong around the room. After taking a really deep hit, one general turns to the other and says, "Whoa... dude, I just had the most amazing idea! For years we've worried about the secrets getting OUT. What if, instead, we worked to keep the secrets from getting IN?" And then the other generals turn and say "Whoa... deep, man, deep! Wow... does anyone have anything to eat?"

      At any rate, that's how I imagine people might come up with this kind of policy.

    2. Re:Quick, Close the Barn Door!!! by Fluffeh · · Score: 3, Funny

      Air Force, meet Streisand Effect.

      You to are about to get to know each other quite well I think.

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    3. Re:Quick, Close the Barn Door!!! by MoonBuggy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's superficially logical, but it seems to centre around "keeping data secure because it has a classification attached to it", as opposed to the (subtly but importantly different) "keeping data secure in order to prevent it from being disseminated to the public". Surely classification is a means to an end; a way of limiting access? If that end has been compromised, the classification has already failed. It's accepted that these documents are widely available to the public already - wouldn't it make more sense from all perspectives, including that of the military, to declare the Wikileaks-redacted versions declassified?

      If they do manage to bring any court cases for the leaks, the fact that they were classified at the time of release isn't changed by a subsequent declassification. They don't have to like it, and it's not an admission of defeat, it's just a logical action that actually enhances the consistency of the classification system by preventing situations where documents widely distributed to those without clearance can't be seen by those with clearance.

    4. Re:Quick, Close the Barn Door!!! by mr100percent · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ah, so when the Taliban do read them and the US forces don't, it will put the Americans at an advantage?

    5. Re:Quick, Close the Barn Door!!! by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Except that the military isn't a closed ecosystem. That becomes useless when the answer to the question can be as simple as "My [wife, brother, friend, preacher, ...] told me in a phone conversation last week."

      No, this has nothing to do with any of the altruistic purposes that folks have suggested. The reason is pure and simple. The government wants to punish the news media for its role in distributing the information. Expect other federal organizations to add similar blocks in the next few days. I'm actually surprised it didn't happen sooner. It's just like how the previous administration punished the media for being too critical of Bush by throwing their folks out of the White House press corps. The Obama administration likes to use the word "transparency", but in truth, like all governments, they only want transparency when it doesn't cast them or their cronies in a bad light.

      If the federal government costs those news organizations enough eyes, they'll think twice before crossing them again, and more to the point, so will all the other news organizations. This is why freedom of the press must be near-absolute, and why the government should be disallowed from any direct action to block websites for any reason. (By "direct action", I'm leaving a loophole for K-12 public schools to pay a non-government vendor to maintain a block list.) The government has shown time and time again that it cannot be trusted to sit back and allow the free press to criticize it and air its dirty laundry---that it cannot be trusted to allow the free press to do its job as a watchdog and as a check and balance against government abuse. Because it cannot resist the temptation to interfere inappropriately, it must not be allowed to interfere at all.

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    6. Re:Quick, Close the Barn Door!!! by senlis · · Score: 5, Interesting

      As I commented further down, this order is an attempt to keep classified documents off unclassified DoD (department of defense) computers. Simply because a document is leaked does not mean it is declassified, and viewing leaked classified documents, even though it is on the public domain, on an unclassified DoD computer results in a security violation. In response to such an incident, we have to spend many man-hours containing and clearing the classified material from the DoD network. It makes perfect sense in that context.

    7. Re:Quick, Close the Barn Door!!! by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 5, Informative

      Forgot to mention that such rigid over-reactions are exactly the kind of jiu-jitsu that Assange is looking for.

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    8. Re:Quick, Close the Barn Door!!! by interkin3tic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Air Force, meet Streisand Effect. You to are about to get to know each other quite well I think.

      I doubt their intent was to keep this thing under more wraps. I would guess this is someone who is just trying to cover their ass. The "in order to keep classified material off unclassified computer systems" sounds like something that, despite being completely idiotic in this case, is still someone's job. I could definitely imagine a general or congressman getting upset because airmen were viewing wikileaks and, I don't know "getting demoralized" or something, and someone's ass being on the line as a scapegoat for that technicality.

      The fact that it will do nothing in terms of the information getting out doesn't matter to the people doing it: their jobs are still safer. It seems to me that extremely few people in the military or government ever got in trouble for erring on the side of "censor it."

    9. Re:Quick, Close the Barn Door!!! by dcollins · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "...viewing leaked classified documents, even though it is on the public domain, on an unclassified DoD computer results in a security violation."

      No, the policy makes no sense on its face and is worthy of laughter and ridicule.

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  2. Millitary inteligence by visionsofmcskill · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So the ONLY people willfully kept in the dark are the soldiers meant to protect us? Are the very people who are the most likely to know the dirt anyway?

    F$%^ing brilliant. Next up, weapons ban limited to the army.

    Hey soldier, this dam is broke, please fix it... here's a spoon

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  3. Re:1994 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Shit! Only 10 more years backwards and we'll get back to 1984! Somebody blow up the flux capacitor!

  4. Blind obedience to authority without morals... by A+beautiful+mind · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...caused a lot of the ugly chapters of history. Being part of an organisation makes you responsible for it's actions.

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    1. Re:Blind obedience to authority without morals... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Aye. It's like the age-old Death Star contractors conundrum.

  5. Keep in mind... by not+already+in+use · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Most of the guys at the top making these decisions are old and don't understand how the internet works. It's kinda cute, really.

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  6. Wow, that's so stupid and pointless! by meerling · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's like confiscating matchbooks but not lighters from the stable boys after THE ENTIRE TOWN HAS BURNED DOWN !

    Yet considering what I saw when I was in the military I'm not that surprised. A plane buff I knew on base wrote to the Library of Congress (as a normal civilian using his civilian address) asking for info on the SR71 Blackbird. They sent him some cool media materials which included a poster sized drawing of the plane, all standard and unclassified press packet stuff. During an inspection of the barracks a stupid officer saw it and wanted him arrested for spying and stealing classified material.

    Because of things like that, do I get surprised when some military moron goes off half-cocked and without bullets? No, I've become convinced that most of them don't even understand the security rules or pretty much anything else that exists outside their egocentric imaginations. (And I'm pretty sure that 3 of the 5 generals I actually met were senile at the time. 4 of them were also complete assholes, but that's a different issue.)

  7. Re:Unclassified by Tiger4 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Information is remains classified until someone with the proper authority de-classifies it. Just because it is released into the wild does not de-classify something. No more than if a thief sells your property to a third party it is no longer your property. You may not have physical possession or control of it, but you certainly would assume you still owned it.

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  8. Re:Unclassified by Drishmung · · Score: 3, Informative
    secret

    1. done, made, or conducted without the knowledge of others

    2. kept from the knowledge of any but the initiated or privileged

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/secret

    If everybody knows it because it's plastered over the front page of the New York Times it is no longer a secret. Your thief analogy is inaccurate. Regardless of the legitimacy of how it got there, you can not reasonably believe that it is, any more, 'secret'. To look at it another way: a thief stole your vase and smashed it. It is now a broken vase. Just because they had no right to do so doesn't unbreak the vase.

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  9. Restrictions on classified materials by Dachannien · · Score: 4, Informative

    Speaking as a federal employee, we've already been told that we are not to access the classified documents leaked on Wikileaks unless we already have clearance and authority to view such documents (which I don't, of course). On the other hand, we were also told that we're not restricted from viewing independent reporting about the leaked documents; that is, if the NYT talks about what's in a classified diplomatic cable, we can read the article no problem, but if they serve up a copy of the document, we're supposed to avoid it.

    This applies extra in cases where we're using government computers, because it creates a problem having classified documents on a system not authorized to have classified documents on it. I don't know whether they'd press charges if someone did this anyway, but at the very least it could cost someone their job, so I'm happy to steer clear.

  10. Executive Order 13526 Section 1.1(4)(c) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    posting anon on purpose
    Executive Order 13526 Section 1.1(4)(c) is why you can't read wikileaks as a government contractor or a Government employee and why its being blocked by some AF networks (not all). We would lose our jobs and possibly be fined and/or prison time.

            Section 1.1. Classification Standards. (a) Information may be originally classified under the terms of this order only if all of the following conditions are met:
            (1) an original classification authority is classifying the information;
            (2) the information is owned by, produced by or for, or is under the control of the United States Government;
            (3) the information falls within one or more of the categories of information listed in section 1.4 of this order; and
            (4) the original classification authority determines that the unauthorized disclosure of the information reasonably could be expected to result in damage to the national security, which includes defense against transnational terrorism, and the original classification authority is able to identify or describe the damage.
            (b) If there is significant doubt about the need to classify information, it shall not be classified. This provision does not:
            (1) amplify or modify the substantive criteria or procedures for classification; or
            (2) create any substantive or procedural rights subject to judicial review.
            (c) Classified information shall not be declassified automatically as a result of any unauthorized disclosure of identical or similar information.
            (d) The unauthorized disclosure of foreign government information is presumed to cause damage to the national security.

    1. Re:Executive Order 13526 Section 1.1(4)(c) by senlis · · Score: 5, Informative

      (c) Classified information shall not be declassified automatically as a result of any unauthorized disclosure of identical or similar information. This is the key part of the order. Just because a document is leaked into the public domain does not automatically declassify it. Any viewing of leaked material on DoD (department of defense owned) computers would constitute a security incident causing many man-hours to be spent containing the classified information on the network. The order this article is talking about makes perfect sense. It is so Air Force personnel do not accidentally view classified material on unclassified machines and causing major problems. I would appreciate it if people who obviously don't know what they are talking about wouldn't make ignorant jokes.

  11. The first dissident of English speaking world by Max_W · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Julian Assange is the first true dissident, prisoners of conscience of the English civilization.

    I remember how the similar phenomena appeared in the former Soviet Union from the blue sky. Any structured society is based on certain set of generally accepted lies. And it is not always bad. For example, we say to each other "you look great", even in cases when it is not so.

    These people however want to bring the truth come hell or water high. But the truth is often destructive. No matter what state did to frighten them, to silence them, it did not work. These were Anatoliy Scheranskiy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natan_Sharansky , Elena Bonner http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elena_Bonner , Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Solzhenitsyn and some others.

    These people had no fear of death, some aberration of nature. For the state based on organized violence it was a major glitch, which finally brought it down.

    The Air Force is in a way right, that it recognized the potential danger of such seemingly soft spoken people. Julian Assange is a thing which may bring down the whole state. He may be stronger than all the ministries, army, fleet, police, etc. taken together. That is exactly what happened with the USSR. It is not possible to scare such people, not possible to execute them, and even less possible to silence them.

  12. English language needs an equivalent of "dolboyob" by Alex+Belits · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is one of the things that would be properly identified and probably even avoided if English language had an equivalent of the Russian word "dolboyob".

    It's a word that describes this very combination of stupidity, blind adherence to the rules in situations when it causes nothing but harm, and being a massive asshole about it.

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  13. SF 312 NDA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    People cleared sign the SF-312 non-disclosure agreement:
    http://www.archives.gov/isoo/security-forms/sf312.pdf

    The FAQ provided has a relevant Q and A:

    Question 19: If information that a signer of the SF 312 knows to have been classified appears in a public source, for example, in a newspaper article, may the signer assume that the information has been declassified and disseminate it elsewhere?

    Answer: No. Information remains classified until it has been officially declassified. Its disclosure in a public source does not declassify the information. Of course, merely quoting the public source in the abstract is not a second unauthorized disclosure. However, before disseminating the information elsewhere or confirming the accuracy of what appears in the public source, the signer of the SF 312 must confirm through an authorized official that the information has, in fact, been declassified. If it has not, further dissemination of the information or confirmation of its accuracy is also an unauthorized disclosure.

    http://www.archives.gov/isoo/training/standard-form-312.html