Atomic Weight Not So Constant

DangerousBeauty writes "Yahoo has a Canadian Press story up about new changes to the periodic table of elements concerning the weights of specific elements — it seems that the weights fluctuate based on where they are found in nature. Quoting: '"People are probably comfortable with having a single value for the atomic weight, but that is not the reality for our natural world," says University of Calgary associate professor Michael Wieser.' He is is secretary of the International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry's Commission on Isotopic Abundances and Weights."

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Actual Link to Document

[Fluffeh]

Link to actual article is:
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Re:Actual Link to Document

[chichilalescu]

Yes. thank you for that link. Anybody with minimal knowledge of how atomic weights are computed (i.e. a weighted average of the atomic masses of the various isotopes) can guess that if the concentrations of isotopes are different in different samples, the "atomic weight" will be different.
I went and read the famous abstract anyway. quote: "This fundamental change in the presentation of the atomic weights represents an important advance in our knowledge of the natural world and underscores the significance and contributions of chemistry to the well-being of humankind in the International Year of Chemistry 2011."
This article is just about the results of some measurements. ok, useful measurements, but NOT an important advance in our knowledge of the natural world.

Re:Actual Link to Document

[Interoperable]

Thanks. The article makes it clear that the major change here is that the way in which atomic weights will be presented is changing. It's not just that they're being updated to reflect a more complete measurement, it's that atomic weights will now be represented as a range of possible values rather than a single value. It's not every day that the way in which information is presented in the periodic table changes.

Atomic Weights were never constant

[bhaak1]

The Atomic Weight is only an average of the isotopes found in nature divided by some constant mass unit.

How could they be constant if "they vary from sample to sample" as even Wikipedia knows?

Somebody seemed to have failed his physics or chemistry classes.

Re:I don't get it

[Sockatume]

They're recalculating the average atomic weight, the one on the periodic table, based on the abundances of the different isotopes in nature. If you're trying to calculate the mass of, say, 300,000 molecules of something, you use the average atomic weight and don't try to figure out what isotope each atom is.

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Re:Natural constants?

[vlm]

I don't think there are any constants in nature.
We humans just like to perceive them as such, so it makes our calculations a whole lot easier.

Also, those same calculations show that some things, like proton mass, speed of light, gravitational constant, a couple others, have to have remained constant within a very large number of decimal places in order for old stuff to have changed the same way new stuff changes. More decimal places that we usually have sig figs to measure stuff, so by sig figs rules, have to treat them as constant, its not just an "easier" thing.

For your average chemical engineer bucket chemist, small changes in atomic weight are going to be statistical noise.