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Exposing the Link Between Cell Phones and Fertility

ApharmdB writes "We frequently gripe about the poor quality of science reporting by the media. A Guardian blogger from the mathematics department at Queen Mary, University of London has made a honeypot press release to see how bad it can get. (Or maybe to have some fun trolling the media?) The statistic used is the strong link between the number of mobile phone masts in an area and the number of live births. Of course, there is no causal link because they are both instead based on a 3rd variable, the local population size. Slashdot readers can keep on eye on news sources over the weekend to see just how much traction the story gets and watch the train wreck in real-time!"

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  1. ruined by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    why would you post this, you are throwing off his experiment

    1. Re:ruined by dbolger · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not really. If journalists don't even bother to look the topic up on Google and find this story, it proves the point.

    2. Re:ruined by madprof · · Score: 3, Informative

      Exactly. Two UK newspapers were found copying wholly wrong information off of Wikipedia.
      Private Eye mentioned that a Times columnist edited the Wikipedia entry for "April 29th" right after the announcement for the date of the wedding of Prince William and Kate Middleton. He added a fictitious story about Queen Victoria being rushed to hospital in Inverness after breaking a tow while fly-fishing at Balmoral.
      The next day the Mirror and Telegraph reported it as fact.

    3. Re:ruined by rtfa-troll · · Score: 2

      Right; whoever reads this is bound by the Slashdot code of secrecy not to explain it to any media people (or other non aware "sheep") at pain of having a dihydrogen monoxide poisoning attempt. Trust me, if you do give the game away, wait two days and then demand your food is tested for DHMO. We will find you. It will be there. We will get it into all and everything you eat.

      (posting as Anonymous so that nobody can trace my packets)

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    4. Re:ruined by Seumas · · Score: 2

      If *YOU* RTFA, you would see that the article itself explains that the article isn't the honeypot, but the press release is:

      But would the media turn a correlation-only finding into a causation-based health scare? To find out, I have released my mobile masts and births results as a press release. We'll see if anyone jumps to the conclusion that mobile phone radiation really can give conception a helping hand.

  2. In other news by n6kuy · · Score: 5, Funny

    .. a whopping 99.44 percent of hardened heroin addicts started out drinking milk!

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    1. Re:In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Possibly unrelated, but there were also no atomic bombs before American women gained the right to vote.

    2. Re:In other news by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2

      Also note that it already had been proven that the stork brings the babies (in Germany, both stork population and birth rates were going down for a long time, this is a clear correlation). So maybe cell phones attract storks. :-)

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  3. The study is nonsense! by ScentCone · · Score: 5, Funny

    The numbers fail to take into account the impact of global temperatures on the local temperatures in the room where the babies are born, and completely ignores the impact of changes in the number of seagoing pirates on each of those factors. Completely irresponsible.

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  4. I wish he wouldn't have admitted it immediately by CyberBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This guy should have let the "honeypot" article sit around and see what happens first, rather than having the explanation article AND have it be posted on slashdot. Doing this interferes with the experiment by making it less likely to be picked up - anyone who reads the slashdot article (or the article it links to) first will not believe and propagate the honeypot article.

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    1. Re:I wish he wouldn't have admitted it immediately by marmusa · · Score: 3, Funny

      Surely Slashdot readers are too smart to fall for this kind of thing anyway? ;-)

    2. Re:I wish he wouldn't have admitted it immediately by da · · Score: 2

      Re: comments. Fuckin' amazin'! Even some of the people who RTFA didn't RTFA!!!

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  5. Re:But there is a causal link by Rijnzael · · Score: 2

    I'm pretty sure the article has no opinion on the link between the local population size and birth rate (where obviously the birth rate is proportional to the local population size). It means to test people's aptitude to incorrectly jump to a casual link between two related--but definitely not causally related--variables.

  6. Causal link by Hope+Thelps · · Score: 5, Funny

    Of course, there is no causal link because they are both instead based on a 3rd variable, the local population size.

    Aha, but births cause population. This could be a vicious circle with cell phone towers boosting the birth rate which leads to a higher population which buy more cell phones leading to the construction of more towers.

    There's strong evidence to show that the dinosaurs never developed cell phones, and they died out.

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  7. I think that's part of the idea by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He doesn't want to make something that is difficult to check sources on. The biggest problem isn't journalists reporting on things that are hard to properly check. I mean you also walk a line between being extremely late in bringing things to people's attention or not bringing up an important story because there just inst' enough confirmation, and reporting something that isn't true. I agree in general that journalists today fall way too far on the side of just report everything you can't disprove.

    However this is targeting a bigger problem: Journalists that don't even TRY. They find a story and just run it, they don't do any checking at ALL. This will expose people like that because it isn't as though this one will be hard to check up on, you can even find out what is going on on Slashdot (and probably other places). So any who get snagged by this are as lazy as it comes, and just publish whatever they find with zero additional checking.

    That, I think, would be valuable to see.

  8. All those poor .6 babies! by swrider · · Score: 5, Funny

    The report says that the towers result in 17.6 more births. I guess you can credit modern medicine for keeping all of those .6 babies alive, but really, what kind of existence will they have?

    1. Re:All those poor .6 babies! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      A half life.

  9. Re:DHMO is very dangerous. by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2
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  10. Re:The Actual Press Release by hodet · · Score: 2

    So if I post the press release to Slashdot, will the editors post it? Might be a good experiment in itself.

  11. Re:Discover Magazine has fallen for it by zarzu · · Score: 2

    If you read the article you linked to, you'd know that they didn't. People are just linking to the article explaining the honeypot, which is exactly what happens if you release an article about the experiment at the same time as the honeypot. This whole thing is utterly senseless.

  12. Definite causality by PPH · · Score: 4, Funny

    Every time my wife sees another tower going up, she says, "Well fuck me! They're putting up another one of those damned towers."

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  13. Re:Anonymous Scientist by PPH · · Score: 2

    Isn't explaining the hoax in the article itself going to prevent the media from taking up the story as intended ?

    Crop circles.

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