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Microsoft Kills Office Anti-Piracy Program

CWmike writes "Microsoft last week killed the Office Genuine Advantage anti-piracy service that first checked — and later nagged — whether customers were running legal copies of Office. ZDNet blogger Ed Bott first reported on Microsoft's move after a tipster pointed him toward a support document on the company's site. That Dec. 17 document simply noted that Office Genuine Advantage 'has been retired,' but offered no explanation. A Microsoft spokeswoman told Computerworld on Monday, 'The program has served its purpose and thus we have decided to retire the program.'"

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  1. Statistics by DarkOx · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They probably were more interested in discovering how many pirated copies might be out there rather than thwarting them. Microsoft has always been about market share even if they have to give it way to get it. They practically encouraged people to pirate Windows in the 3.x days.

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    1. Re:Statistics by couchslug · · Score: 4, Informative

      "They practically encouraged people to pirate Windows in the 3.x days."

      It worked superbly with Office 97 etc.

      If you want to catch fish, throw some chum before the bait with the hook in it. :)

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    2. Re:Statistics by Elbereth · · Score: 2

      That's not really true. Microsoft has always been strongly against piracy. However, what you might be thinking about is how easy it was for personal, home users to pirate their products. Microsoft has never raided some guy's house because he was running a pirated version of Windows. However, they certainly have raided businesses. Going after individual pirates doesn't really accomplish anything, but going after the larger cracking groups and corporate users does.

      Just because it doesn't make business sense to go after a 15 year old pirate who downloads your product doesn't mean that you are encouraging him to do so.

    3. Re:Statistics by DarkOx · · Score: 2

      Right but while everyone else was playing with key disks, and what is the third word on the 37 page of the instructions type games Microsoft did not bother. They were smart enough to realize it does not work, and that if people use it at home they will likely want to use it at work and that means business sales where their bread was buttered.

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    4. Re:Statistics by fwarren · · Score: 4, Informative

      Did you forget the Microsoft Internal document that said they would prefer people would pirate their products over them using something else?

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    5. Re:Statistics by arth1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I remembering Microsoft distributing Outlook 98 for free. Now you don't even get Outlook with the Home and Student edition, but have to fork over some major cash.
      The problem is that people do so, instead of using an e-mail client instead.

    6. Re:Statistics by bami · · Score: 2

      You get a lot of stuff free if you have a valid windows license though.

      Outlook Express, the free thing that shipped with Windows XP is revamped to Windows Live Mail. I've used it for a while, got office 2007 (for free through some random student program) and switched to outlook for things where there is no web interface (Exchange webmail is horrible (and broken in some places) in anything but IE, and I don't have the time to install web access to the mail address of my webdomain).

      You can always get Thunderbird if you like something free, and for people buying outlook: usually it's in some office package from work, or they know how to use it from work and like to do that at home. Not really smart, but a problem?

    7. Re:Statistics by sconeu · · Score: 3, Funny

      Oh no... not again.

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    8. Re:Statistics by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's even more important with Office. If it's too hard to pirate Office, people will download OpenOffice (or whatever it's called this week). They will start exchanging OpenDocument files instead of Word documents. Other people will have to download OpenOffice to open them, and may find that it's good enough for what they need. On the other hand, if people are pirating MS Office, they'll send Word documents and other people will buy MS Office to be able to open them.

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    9. Re:Statistics by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And all the FOSS advocates had a living shitfit about piracy, but you know what? It was a brilliant move. What do you need in an office? You need workers skilled in the tools you use. MSFT never made squat off of home users of office products so it was better to "wink wink" look the other way and let them gain familiarity and skill in their office products which corps will then buy to keep from worrying about a BSAA visit.

      And I'm sorry I can't find the link, but I once saw a great podcast with Ballmer where he explained his thoughts on piracy. He said "I'm not really worried about some kid at a dorm somewhere that passes a copy of WinXP to his friend. What I AM worried about is some boat coming from Malaysia loaded down with counterfeit copies of XP that even I can't tell apart from the legitimate product. THAT is what we are going after with WGA, because if someone buys a machine from an unscrupulous vendor there frankly isn't any way just by looking at a disc or box to tell."

      MSFT knows piracy works to their advantage. Those that pirated as kids end up being customers as adults. They will have experience with MSFT products, know all the shortcuts, and will frankly be an easy sale. That is why I still think Ballmer was nuts to kill the $50 Home Permium program. You'd be surprised how many XP pirates I know are now legit Windows 7 users thanks to the $50 upgrade, and now MSFT has an audience for selling other products, such as the way WMC plugs in nicely into the x360, and for the "anytime upgrade" to Pro or Ultimate. You catch them with pirated free, lure them into the fold with cheap legit copies, and then you have a captive audience to sell to. It is just good business.

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    10. Re:Statistics by Pharmboy · · Score: 2

      I don't know why anyone would want to do that though, but I guess if it works why change?

      Because it uses a simple key check and is very easy to pirate. And it still does 100% of what 98% of the people want. And it was only slightly bloated.

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    11. Re:Statistics by aztracker1 · · Score: 2

      On the bloated front the last two versions of Office, have been very lean compared to it's counterparts (OOo, and Corell).

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  2. Any bets... by KublaiKhan · · Score: 2

    ...on what large account threatened to go to OpenOffice if Microsoft kept nagging 'em?

    More seriously (because I know how enterprise licensing works, and I know that an enterprise account was not likely the reason behind this) I dare say that the program simply wasn't profitable--that people either cracked the program to stop nagging 'em if they pirated it, or went to some competitor. No profits = no use nagging.

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    1. Re:Any bets... by tophermeyer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yeah, I feel like what has been happening is that individual users who aren't going to be paying money for business software on their personal machine anyway (like myself), were responding to Genuine Advantage by adopting OpenOffice rather than sticking with MS Office.

      As individual users move towards OO, small businesses move towards OO. As OO gets more common, more people feel like OO is an acceptable option. You see where I'm going with this.

      Seems like it would be better for Microsoft to keep users on MS Office than push them off MS Office altogether.

    2. Re:Any bets... by KublaiKhan · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think that Google Docs, for better or for worse, will end up having a bigger impact than OpenOffice (or any forks thereof): it comes from a recognizeable 'brand name' and it's got an interface that people are reasonably familiar with. It also "just works"--nothing to install or configure or whatnot.

      When it comes down to the end user, that's going to be one of the biggest criteria for what platform to adopt--and if it were a choice between google docs and MS Office, most people I know would pick the cheaper and easier option.

      Besides, MS doesn't package Office with Windows--but they do package 'the internet'.

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    3. Re:Any bets... by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You know, its funny how these Slashdot articles line up with work.

      I just got back from a weeks vacation to learn that we have an upcoming Microsoft Audit here in January. They're going to be viewing our server licenses, office, all that kind of stuff. We're not too concerned since we purchase these things OEM bundled all nice and tidy, but on the odd occaison where a re-install of Windows was necessary and the Office Product key lost, we had this neat version of Office 2003 that didn't need a key to install, imagine that.

      On top of that - we actually have about 150 thousand dollars worth of Client Access Licenses in use on our exchange server that aren't paid for, JUST in our disabled accounts (whose email store we haven't removed since the CEO wants to be able to access them at a moments notice, and we just started the process of archiving them a couple months ago).

      I have told my boss numerous times that we could have switched to OpenOffice or LibreOffice long ago. Almost no retraining really required, the layout is largely the same. No licensing fees. But he pushes back that what they are paying for is insurance. When something doesn't work between MS Office versions he can blame Microsoft. Perfect deflection. He doesn't want to be the guy who made everyone switch off Microsoft and then be expected to fully support it more than MS Office. Its alright, he has his reasons. I don't blame him. I would take the flak and argue the savings - I've personally had enough trouble just getting MS Office to work properly I couldn't see any of the other products possibly being any worse (Especially since OpenOffice can now be deflected to Oracle, Huzzah!).

      I -WISH- my company was a large account that threatened to go somewhere else if Microsoft kept nagging us... My coworkers say that what'll probably happen is that the guy will come in, survey, ask for a dollar amount, the company will write a cheque, and IT won't get Christmas bonuses this year.

      Time to look for a new place to work? Yeah it's going through our (the IT Department's) minds quite a bit. Resumes in hand.

    4. Re:Any bets... by Riceballsan · · Score: 2

      Dosn't need a large account, Home users aren't a proffit margain for MS the way businesses are. They most likely could care less if you spent the 150 on a home edition of MS office, they are more worried about the 45k giant business contract they have with your company. Have nothing in common you think? Here's microsoft's fear. Joe Midlevel in the company goes home, can't afford or can't justify spending 150 on something he only uses for work, because some reason the company won't buy him a copy, he discovers open/libre office or google docs. Lets others in the company try it, they discover there are no features they use in MS office that they are lacking. Maybe someone in the right place even likes the interface better. cost on the line, 20k-500k depending on company size Scenerio 2, Joe Midlevel goes home finds a pirate copy of office, uses that instead, lost income $150

    5. Re:Any bets... by DaMattster · · Score: 2

      Why does that sound awfully like a mafia protection racket?

    6. Re:Any bets... by darkonc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ..... I have told my boss numerous times that we could have switched to OpenOffice or LibreOffice long ago.....But he pushes back that what they are paying for is insurance. When something doesn't work between MS Office versions he can blame Microsoft. Perfect deflection.

      Has he ever read MS's EULA? If it breaks, you can blame Microsoft (just like you can blame Oracle if Open Office breaks), but you can't ask for any reparations. You have no better protection against broken code with Microsoft than you do with freed software -- Actually Microsoft is worse.

      Going with Microsoft, you're not allowed to look at the broken code, much less fix it nor are you allowed to sue them for the costs of broken code -- even if you can prove negligence... and, on top of that, you have to deal with things like license audits that will cost you random amounts of money on top of their 'insurance' fees. With freed software, you still don't have the rights of suing for broken code, but you do have the right to (pay someone to) look at the broken code and fix it. At that point Even if the product's originator (Oracle, in this case) doesn't like your fix, you can always keep a (not so) private fork with your improvements. Try and do that with Micorosoft Office code.

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    7. Re:Any bets... by blarkon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Most people weren't going to Open Office - they simply put up with the nagging - because in the end the nagging was less annoying than using Open Office.

  3. It didn't work by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It cost money to maintain and stopped no one. There is no point to it.

    1. Re:It didn't work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Oh, please. You call that citing?

      [1] Mom, Your (2010), Report on the Effectiveness of OGA in a heterogenous business environment, Journ. of Sex. Interc., 1, 5-911.

      See? Now everyone can look it up.

  4. Theory by Capt.DrumkenBum · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My theory is that they are scrapping it because it worked. If it works, people can't run their pirated copy of Office whatever, and instead of running out to the store like a good little lemming to buy the latest MS Office. They instead go and download OpenOffice, LibreOffice, or just start using Google Apps.

    LibreOffice is good enough for me.

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  5. Office Genuine Advantage has served its purpose? by clone52431 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Did they mean there’s no longer any advantage to using Genuine Office?

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  6. It's only $149, why pirate? by 1800maxim · · Score: 2, Funny

    Get MS Office Home & Student edition, pay a rather reasonable cost of $149 (CDN) and live and breathe free! This version will satisfy most people's needs with Word, Excel and PowerPoint.

    1. Re:It's only $149, why pirate? by KublaiKhan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't have $149, and am neither a student nor Canadian.

      I'll stick with a competing product that works and costs less, thank you.

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    2. Re:It's only $149, why pirate? by mmaniaci · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The software you listed is worth nowhere near $150. I'd pay $30 and maybe up to $60 if I was an early adopter. Its a text processor, spreadsheet program, and slideshow program. Woop-de-fucking-do.

    3. Re:It's only $149, why pirate? by 1800maxim · · Score: 2

      First of, if you're sticking with a competing product for free, you're not a pirate.

      Second, Student & Home edition is not just for students.

      Vast majority of pirates in the US and Canada could afford to buy a S&H edition of Office for $129/$149. Otherwise, stick to OpenOffice.org.

  7. How about they kill activation too? by mlts · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How about they kill activation too while they are at it, especially for VLK licensees? Why businesses have to bounce machines off of MS's activation servers when they will end up getting rebuilt anyway, or have to set up core MAK servers for six month activations at a time is insane. A business is under the barrel of the BSA anyway, so they won't be pirating Windows/Office (at least if they want to stay in business after firing an employee who rats them out.)

    OGA/WGA/activation is pointless. It annoys the legit users while the pirates are happily ignoring it.

    1. Re:How about they kill activation too? by Twintop · · Score: 4, Interesting

      OGA/WGA/activation is pointless. It annoys the legit users while the pirates are happily ignoring it.

      Exactly. I'm running a legit copy of Sever 2008 R2 and after my latest reinstall (on to a SSD), it wouldn't activate without calling an automated number and following prompts. I tried 3 times to get it to activate through this method but it 'failed' every time. After the 3rd try, I let the automated service send me off to talk with a human rep...except for one problem: the extension the system sent me to was a disconnected number. After having wasted 45 minutes on the "simple and automated" system, I found a WGA crack (or whatever the hell they're calling it now) and have been puttering along for the last several months with no problems at all.

  8. Re:people are using google apps by transporter_ii · · Score: 2

    I started putting copies of Open Office on computers I worked on or when people asked me for a copy of office. Most people are happy with it, outside of a friend who was a medical transcriptionist and had some special apps that were tied into MS Office.

    Back in the day, whenever I set up a new computer, the first disk I reached for after the OS install was MS Office. Things have changed so much now that I can hardly remember the last time I fired up a word processor and actually used it. If it wasn't for the occasional spreadsheet at work, I could easily do without any office suite. I can now put together a new PC for myself and it is months before I realize I didn't install any type of "office" software on it.

    And even the spreadsheets we use at work now, I'm in the process of migrating to a database with a web-based front end.

    Times change and this is one area that changed a lot. And Open Office works pretty well for the light duty things still hanging around.

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  9. Bill Gates on Microsoft Piracy Policy by h00manist · · Score: 4, Informative

    That's not really true. Microsoft has always been strongly against piracy.

    http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/technology/article2098235.ece "It's easier for our software to compete with Linux when there's piracy than when there's not," the Microsoft co-founder and chairman told Fortune magazine.

    http://blogs.computerworld.com/node/2803
    WSJ: But those were stolen, correct?
    Gates: Stolen's a strong word. It's copyrighted content that the owner wasn't paid for. So yes.

    Hey, Steve, just because you broke into Xerox’s store before I did and took the TV doesn’t mean I can’t go in later and steal the stereo.”
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  10. Microsoft doesnt push piracy - on Terminal Server by h00manist · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you try to run a Terminal Server without your own license, it won't be anywhere near as easy as running Windows or Office. It shows they know how to lock down software when they want to.

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  11. This may explain it by falken0905 · · Score: 2

    I received an email from Chase Online Banking today saying Microsoft is retiring their Money software. Here's the text...

    We have been notified that Microsoft® is retiring their Money and Money Plus software. As a result, we will no longer support Microsoft Money at chase.com. Starting January 31, 2011: * We will remove or disable all online banking features within Money. * You will not be able to use Money to download transactions from Chase Online. * You will still have the ability to download your transactions from chase.com as a file to import into your Money software. * Any charges you are currently charged by us in order to use Money with Chase Online will end. Please note that if you choose to continue downloading your Chase Online transactions into Personal Financial Management (PFM) software to pay bills or make transfers, you’ll need to switch to another software, such as Quicken® or QuickBooks®. PFM software fees to use other software with Chase Online may still apply.

  12. Re:It's only $0.0149, why pirate? by darkonc · · Score: 2

    or, you can pay $0.0149 to download Open Office . Then you'll really live and breathe free!

    You won't have to worry about MS License police deciding that you're not (any longer) qualified for the student discount and should pay $x0,000 in license fees and penalties.

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  13. Bye Microsoft office, Hello Open Office by ZappedSparky · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My computer like a few came with MSO pre-installed. I didn't mind the initial legit check (I still have the licence key) and subsequent download of updates. It's when a few months later it asked, nay, demanded to check again. Later I opened a document and it asked again, and again, and again so on and so forth. An e-mail natter back and forth with someone whose spelling could be better at Microsoft help got me nowhere. "Have you entered the correct licence key?" "Have you un-installed and re-installed, then re-entered the licence key?" There must be something better I thought. So I gave Open Office a try. A free office program? It must be a bit naff, full of bugs I thought. Well I was surprised, I've had no problems with it and it covers all my needs. I haven't looked back since.

  14. Not really the goal by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The goal with MS's stuff has always been to find distributors who are committing fraud. While I'm sure they don't mind stopping individuals doing casual piracy, they realize that'll never happen on a large scale. So the real objective is stores ripping people off.

    What you discover is that still around half of all computers sold are done by small shops. May have shrunk some since I last checked stats, but it is a lot. People go to their local computer store and get a PC built. Fine and well. The problem is some of these shops decided to pad their bottom line by handing out pirated software. They don't tell their customers, of course. You think you are getting a legit Windows license and aren't.

    So MS started WGA to combat that. Well when WGA tripped, if you called MS, they asked you questions regarding where you got Windows, and then issued you a legit license (had to do this at a client's site). What they were after is who is handing this stuff out. If they get a bunch of information that indicates a given store is doing it, then they can go after them. They apparently had success with this.

    Well my guess is that what they've found is that stores are not doing this with Office. They implemented it, hoping to have the same kind of thing happen, but have found that stores are not doing it.

    Makes sense. Most people, when the buy Office, buy it as an addon to the system. You pay a specific price for it. However Windows is an assumed part of the price of a computer. So in the case of Windows easy for a small business to decide they want to just not pay and pad their margins (or reduce the price to make it more attractive). Less likely with something sold as a separate addon.

  15. Re:Outlook's icon is a clock by gadget+junkie · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The problem is that people [buy a copy of Microsoft Office just for Outlook] instead of using an e-mail client instead.

    Does the e-mail client have an appointment calendar? For example, are Thunderbird users aware of Lightning, a version of Sunbird packaged as a T-bird extension? There's a reason that Outlook's icon is a clock, and not just because the rim and hands spell "OL". And can it connect to Exchange at work, where IT has disabled standards-based connection protocols for nebulous "security reasons"?

    I work in a small office (My own!!). My partner is a thumbfisted computer user, take Excel off his computer and he usually would use it as a lamp. BUT, after I installed Thunderbird+ lightning + shared gmail calendar, he was hooked.

    Training time: 0

    His happy face when he clicked his way to setting up a shared event: priceless

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  16. Perpetual license fight is coming by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 3, Interesting
    As far as individual users are concerned Microsoft does not care if they pirate it or not, as long as they use Ms Office. But they care about the corporate accounts. So many corporations have bought perpetual license for Office 97. Office 2000, Office 2005 etc. They are all running them in virtual WinXP created by VNC or some such virtualization product. They don't see any reason to upgrade Win, or even get security updates because, all the security policy is imposed and handled by the virtualization server. So pretty soon huge corporate accounts are going to get off the upgrade treadmill.

    I expect a huge fight between Microsoft and the corporations over whether or not the original license allows them to use the product on a virtual machine. The compromise is going to be one last payment to Microsoft to regularize the licenses and that would be the last golden egg laid by the MsOffice goose. After that it will be cooked I suppose.

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  17. They share contacts by tepples · · Score: 2

    Why would I need an appointment calendar inside my email client?

    I guess because you often want to set up appointments with the same people with whom you correspond through e-mail.

  18. Re:Outlook's icon is a clock by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 2

    nebulous security reasons

    They are not so nebulous - when we put Outlook on the internet, it got pwned. They don't dare put Outlook on the internet naked anymore - we have it behind this secured XMLRPC gateway that MS bought from an Israeli security company ("Internet Application Gateway").

    I agree that some of the reason is just pure spite against other software. We previously had an IMAP server, so I could pick up my mail using Thunderbird from anywhere. Now we have Outlook, it's the only program that implements the IAG client, so it's either some horrible crippleware webmail, or Windows + Outlook.