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Oregon To Let Students Use Spell Check on State Exams

Starting in 2011, the Oregon Department of Education will let students spell check their work before submitting state exams. From the article: "The move is supposed to help the assessments focus less on typos and more on their writing skills. 'We are not letting a student's keyboarding skills get in the way of being able to judge their writing ability,' said state Superintendent Susan Castillo. 'As we're using technology to improve what we're doing with assessments as a nation, we believe that spell check will be one of those tools.'"

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  1. Get off my lawn... by icebrain · · Score: 2

    I can see it already...

    "But the tool is there, so why should people have to learn proper spelling? Why should people have to learn to do math by hand if they have computers available?"

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    1. Re:Get off my lawn... by nospam007 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      http://www.math.umn.edu/~rusin018/1271_Fall_2006/extra_1.pdf

      "...Nine times seven, thought Shuman with deep satisfaction, is sixty-three, and I don't need
      a computer to tell me so. The computer is in my own head.

      And it was amazing the feeling of power that gave him. "

    2. Re:Get off my lawn... by davester666 · · Score: 2

      I can haz cheezburger when exam is ovr?

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    3. Re:Get off my lawn... by cynyr · · Score: 2

      change isn't hard. Start with the sale price, add pennies to get to a 5. then nickels/dimes to quarters, and finally to whole dollars, 5s, 10s, 20s, etc.I can very quickly tell who can do change by hand by the direction in which they pick up up the change.

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  2. I Think.. by ameline · · Score: 3, Funny

    Eye think eye sea what their doing hear. :-)

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    1. Re:I Think.. by Whorhay · · Score: 2

      "The The Impotence of Proofreading" by Taylor Mali is an excellent example of the folly in relying on a spell checker.

    2. Re:I Think.. by Totenglocke · · Score: 2

      Exactly - I know someone who sent out a bunch of resumes last year and relied purely on spell check to make sure they were spelled properly - turns out he had "collage" instead of "college" among other typos as a result. Needless to say, he didn't get any job offers.

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  3. By then they should know better... by KublaiKhan · · Score: 2

    Considering that the rules apply only to exams taken by middle and high school students, by then, spelling should be less of a concern than content, structure, and adherence to the theme given for the writing. Spellcheck is a tool that they'll be using for 'real life' implementation of the skills being tested, so it seems fairly reasonable to allow them its use.

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  4. Re:First Post by biryokumaru · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Carma bee dammed"

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  5. Or just ignore spelling errors by commodore64_love · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Cute. Per usual it depends on the goal.

    My AP English teacher ignored errors (writeo's he called them), and if I recall correctly the AP Exam did too. He expected spelling to be correct for our homework, but not for in-class exams where a 45 minute limit precluded looking-up words in a dictionary. Content & the thesis mattered more than perfection.

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    1. Re:Or just ignore spelling errors by RulerOf · · Score: 2

      Content & the thesis mattered more than perfection.

      I don't know about you, but when I'm reading something and a word is misspelled, particularly if it's misspelled as a completely different word or has all the same letters as a completely different word, or something like a comma is out of place, I become almost completely derailed by the sentence.

      Spell check doesn't fix bad writing though :P

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    2. Re:Or just ignore spelling errors by RulerOf · · Score: 2

      with lose/loose you can't even enjoy the excuse of just mixing up homophones.

      It's not just you, but it likely depends on how you were taught English. The curriculum I was given for early English was Phonics. As a result, even though I usually spell things correctly, lose/loose is one that I find myself correcting frequently as I write.

      "Lose" with the single O and single E separated by the S phonetically stipulates a long O sound, like "dose" or "grope." The problem with "loose" is that, depending on what that E on the end is for, you get different pronunciations; it could be "looz" or "luce."

      Maybe it should be "loose" and "looce" instead :D

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    3. Re:Or just ignore spelling errors by ChromeAeonium · · Score: 2

      Read those words...they should be spelled lös and löz or something like that (with something like an 'Ö' representing the 'oo' sound). The ending sounds are different, but spelled the same, and the middle sounds are the same, but spelled different. And you really expect people to get that? Oops, did I just start a sentence with a conjunction? I must be a moron. Anyway, the problem isn't that people are stupid (sometimes they are), it's that English was all but made to be misspelled. There are sounds represented by multiple different letters and letters that represent multiple different sounds. My favorite is the word cyclic. That should be spelled siklik, but you've got the C making the sound S (as in snake) and K (as in kick), while the sound of I (as in sick) is spelled with an I and a Y. English orthography is a highly irrational system. Expect irrational usage.

      Some people are just illiterate, yeah, but acting as if simple mistakes like misspelling lose/loose are important is just pedantic. Not everyone who screws up the English language's asinine spelling rules is a moron. Maybe they're just exceptionally logic-based people.

  6. Re:Now I feel old by hierofalcon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Calculators were forbidden in high school chemistry till we could show the teacher that we could use a slide rule properly. Then we could use calculators. If I remember correctly, this was the first class where calculators were allowed / suggested at all.

  7. It's/its? by Xacid · · Score: 2

    Like that'll stop them from the usual:

    there/their
    your/you're

    and pretty much everything else listed here: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/misspelling

    I'm a heavy user of spell check, but in no way do I think we should rely solely on that. I have friends who still think it's spelled "congradulations" and that's not a typo. That's just tragic.

  8. Re:Lowering the bar so that Dumb people feel smart by egamma · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is just lowering the bar so that dumb people feel smart! This does 2 things: -Makes US High School Diplomas worthless (Hey, if the illiterate can get through HS, why would I want to hire one with a HS Diploma?) -Gives a false sense of confidence when they go to college.(Results: more drop outs)

    I fail to see how illiterate people would benefit from a spelling checker. It's not a text to speech program--they would still have to string words together to form ideas, and write a semblance of the word for the spelling checker to offer the correct spelling.

    And if the colleges allow spelling checkers--and any class that lets you type your paper in your dorm room does--then college performance won't be impacted.

  9. What effort do you feel your audience is worth? by Philomage · · Score: 2

    Not taking the effort to spell correctly or use proper grammar is a sign that you don't think your audience is worth it (assuming it's not merely a sign of ignorance). Why should arrogance be rewarded?

  10. Re:Now I feel old by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 2

    I don't have a problem with allowing calculators... once the student has demonstrated that he can function without one. The same goes for spell-checkers. I'm happy that Firefox has it, and it helps me, but I can spell better than most people without one. These are tools, not crutches, or at least that's how their supposed to be used.

    In an education environment where keyboarding and using PowerPoint are considered "computer science", we can only expect other similar nonsense.

    Our schools (including higher education) in the U.S. have almost completely abandoned the idea of "education" and seem content to merely train workers, and poorly at that.

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  11. Re:It's only fair. by eepok · · Score: 2

    It's turned out well for those that are doing advanced math for whom there are multiple simple calculations culminating in the final data set required to complete the tested conceptual exercise.

    It's worked out quite poorly for students who actually need to learn and master multiplication, division, consistently correct addition and subtraction.

  12. Good by spiffmastercow · · Score: 2

    Wasting cycles on spelling is asinine. If they're truly illiterate, they probably won't do well on the test anyway. It's not like our spelling rules REALLY make sense, nor were they enforced until the last century or two.

  13. Re:It's only fair. by l2718 · · Score: 2

    Honestly, math students have been using calculators on exams for years now, and that's turned out well.

    Having taught mathematics at the university, let me tell you: calculators have been a total disaster. You see students stare at "14/7" and reach for the calculator. Students have no feel for numbers whatsoever, and since they do all the arithmetic by calculator they have had no practice of the algebraic properties of arithmetic, and hence have also failed to learn algebra.

    What about:

    • Using Sage/Maple/Mathematica/Wolfram Alpha to solve algebra and calculus problems.
    • driving a car in gym class instead of running?
    • hiring a carpenter instead of doing the work in shop class?
  14. Re:It's only fair. by Xaositecte · · Score: 2

    Except that has nothing to do with calculator use

    Seriously, calculator use in Canadian schools is at least common as it is in the US, and they're outperforming the US alongside Japan and Korea. Think about what you say before you say it.

  15. Re:In what subject though? by Red+Flayer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    people who don't take the time to spell things correctly are usually deficient in other areas such as grammar and writing clarity

    I'm sure there's a class of people that are unable to spell correctly no matter how much time they have and how much of that time they apply to spelling accurately.

    For that matter, faced with a written exam with a time limit -- people must decide how they use the limited time they have. Should I be rewarded because I am a champion speller, and can spend more time on the important parts of my composition, while others must devote more of their time to ensuring they spell correctly?

    The other thing I'd like to add is that your perception of a correlation between poor spelling and poor grammar and clarity could present a problem -- graders who have that same perception are likely to grade exam-takers with poor spelling worse due to their bias against poor spellers. Maybe poor spelling has a greater impact on grading at high levels than you might suppose. Just food for thought...

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  16. What's an oregon? by Venik · · Score: 2

    Really, who cares how they spell things in Oregon? Personally, I find all this talk about improving our education system quite unpatriotic. How would the US survive if its population became well-educated? Who would fight wars? Who would overpay taxes? Who would bother to vote? Who would watch TV, do Christmas shopping, eat fast food, or shop at Walmart? Oregon can't sustain our entire economy, you know. We all need to pitch in. Good education is a privilege, not a right.

  17. Re:It's only fair. by MoonBuggy · · Score: 2

    I agree with you to an extent, and I'm sure there are some people who's only hope is a calculator, but (as I mentioned above) I'd say that withholding them in lower level courses does force the development of at least a basic level of mathematical competence in the middle ability range. People might be bad at fast and accurate calculation, but in my experience we're pretty good at ballpark figures and sanity checking - if anything those skills are more important as we rely more on computers; when there's a 'black box' doing the work for you, it's all the more valuable to be able to spot errors. The alternative is, as we have seen, customer service reps insisting that 0.002cents = $0.002 simply because the computer says so.