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Why Android Is the New Windows

An anonymous reader writes "Windows' dominance of the PC market has been good in many ways: reduced hardware costs, increased IT literacy and a standard development platform to name a few. Perhaps Android will bring similar benefits. But unless Google are very careful, it is likely to bring some of the same problems, too."

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  1. mobile platform by devxo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The biggest problem with Android is that from a developers point of view, it's a horrible platform. It's not just Android - this goes way back to early Symbian versions, Windows Mobile and other early mobile OS versions.

    Basically, you have tons of different devices you need to support, all with different hardware, resolution and features. They might or might not have changes made by the phone manufacturer and/or telcos. They might have physical keyboards or only touchscreen. Maybe multitouch on some. Camera on the back, maybe front too, or not at all? Different API's supported by different versions of Android.. It's a nightmare.

    This may now a days work okay for computers because they have a lot more power and space and you don't need to worry about batteries so much. But as for mobile developers, that's not true yet and it means you have to create and test your applications and games for every device and most likely make some changes and bugfixes to some of them. Take for example the popular Angry Birds game - the developers have outright said they just cannot support all the different Android devices.

    As much as I dislike Apple, iPhones are a solid platform. They have a few different versions of the OS (there needs to be progress, right?), but that's it. Much better for developers and for users. While Windows Phone 7 has definitely taken a better approach than before, they also haven't considered this issue.

    1. Re:mobile platform by Microlith · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Basically, you have tons of different devices you need to support, all with different hardware, resolution and features. [...] It's a nightmare.

      Sort of like developing for the PC, right? I know, we should all move to vendor-locked consoles.

      As much as I dislike Apple, iPhones are a solid platform. They have a few different versions of the OS (there needs to be progress, right?), but that's it. Much better for developers and for users.

      Well, when you've got such a tight-fisted control freak attitude it's not hard to ram everyone into a few boxes.

      While Windows Phone 7 has definitely taken a better approach than before, they also haven't considered this issue.

      Microsoft basically dictated every bit of hardware used at the level of the OS. There are some minor differentiating features, but they're all basically the exact same hardware with different attachments (displays, speakers,) plastic cases and vendor logos.

    2. Re:mobile platform by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because some bozo starts whining about fragmentation whenever Android is mentioned?

      But, it seems to be a valid criticism.

      I'm sure I've seen people saying they can't get the latest update because their carrier won't do it, or when they do get an update it breaks things and introduces even further lock down -- completely against the aims of the Android.

      From what I've seen, fragmentation within Android is becoming a big deal as companies muck with it. Just how many flavors of the Android OS are there, and how much have the carriers/manufacturers been altering it to make themselves more money?

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    3. Re:mobile platform by BagOBones · · Score: 5, Informative

      As a developer there is a HUGE difference...

      The iOS devices basically progress in a predictable fashion inheriting the functions of the last gen.. IE you can easily choose your lowest target and with very minimal tweaking support ALL higher / newer devices.. Also using consistent APIs you can detect specific models and enable specific features, knowing they EXIST on the device without writing custom code to detect them.

      As android has progressed there have been APIs from vendors made to support model specific features. You can't count on what UI the user sees since HTC, Sony and Moto all reskin the OS... Makes it fun to explain to users how to do stuff when the OS looks alien.

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    4. Re:mobile platform by grapeape · · Score: 4, Informative

      There is a big difference between obsoleteness and fragmentation, support for older devices has always been an issue of "we'll take what we can get" when it comes to technology. The problem with Android is that you can buy half a dozen currently on the shelf products and find that none are running android the same. The 3 devices I have were all purchased this year, one has 1.5, one has 1.6 and one has 2.1, 1 has google apps the other 2 don't come with, 1 has a custom front end with swipe, one has a custom front end that makes it almost unnavigable and one has a vanilla dated android front end with half the default stuff missing. I like android as much as anyone but burying our heads in the sand and pretending the problems don't exist isn't supporting the platform its supporting a path that will inevitably lead to its demise. While I like the idea of open source, Google needs to put their foot down and at least come up with a set of minimal standards that require manufacturers to comply with them for the platforms own good. As it is now its great for a geek that knows what he is doing but for the average consumer without a lot of research and someone to hold their hand has no idea what they are going to get when they go to buy an android device. I cant even count how many times I have had clients ignore my advice and go out and buy a cheap piece of crap since the cheaper one ran android too....then I have to deal with them pissed off with me that they have a version that doesn't sync with exchange or doesn't have google apps, or is missing media players, etc.

    5. Re:mobile platform by Timmmm · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm an android developer, and I *do* share his concerns. There are three aspects to the problem:

      1. Unintended device differences.

      I've had loads of emails from people saying that my app behaves incorrectly on their phone, whereas it works perfectly well on mine and many other phones. There are certain areas of development where the differences in behaviour on different devices can be pretty huge. In my case it is sleeping and waking the device, but there are others, like sound latency, graphics capabilities, and multitouch behaviour (*cough* stupid dual-touch *cough*). You really do need to test these apps on the actual phones in order to make sure they work (or wait for "I am shocked that this free, ad-free app doesn't work." emails).

      2. Intended device differences.

      There are a ton of different android phones. Suppose you want a layout to work nicely on all of them. Android has a pretty nice framework for selecting a layout file based on device differences, and these are only *some* of the things it can consider: orientation, whether the keyboard is open, screen size, screen aspect ratio and night mode. Multiply those and you have a lot of work. Ok presumably you wouldn't use all of them, but you could *easily* end up with 6 layouts for one screen. It doesn't help that Android's layout system is one of... no *the* least well behaved I've used. It frequently does stuff that makes no sense (search StackOverflow for examples).

      3. Old versions of Android.

      Yes it is a bigger problem than on iOS. 17% of users are still on Android 1.5 or 1.6. How many iOS users haven't upgraded their OS for a year? Actually I checked, and Apple stopped providing updates for the original iPhone 2.5 years after its release. It seems most Android phones don't even last a year before they are end-of-lined. This affects developers because it means you can't use the latest nice APIs without either using ugly reflection hacks (not possible with the NDK) or ignoring some users.

      There's lots to like about Android, but don't pretend there aren't any flaws.

    6. Re:mobile platform by grapeape · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Please explain where the "bullshit" is? The devices I mention are an Archos 7 Home Internet Tablet, An aPad and my Samsung Galaxy S. None are even remotely similar interface or app set wise beyond all having the little green robot show up when they boot. As I stated, denial isn't helping, why cant android fanboys figure that out...its as bad as apple zealots that dismiss areas that are lacking when they all know the minute Apple announced they have suddenly "invented" it again...it will become a feature they couldn't live without. It really is ok to like something and still be critical of it...there is simply no other way to improve upon something without it.

    7. Re:mobile platform by dbc · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Fundamentally I agree with your premise, but Archos is not a good example, because it can never be certified for Android as it lacks key components, like that pesky phone part.

      However, speaking as someone who once upon a time managed a platform matrix validation lab for Windows software, I agree completely that the platform matrix for Android is unwieldy. People who say that it should be easy to support all Android *certified* devices (much less all Android devices) are simply not doing the math. Constructing and maintaining a test environment where you can check your software against all screen resolutions, API's, and peripheral selections is a huge problem with combinatorial complexity. And actually running and debugging all those test cases is hugely time consuming and expensive.

      Of course, I expect to be modded down. It seems that every time I reply with *actual* *real* *world* *experience* on a topic where I know enough to have managed many people and had a six figure hardware budget, I get modded down because my actual data conflicts with peoples' religious beliefs.

      But, in the end, Android will probably win despite the technical complexity of testing software. It will win because of openness, and customers will whine about how buggy the aps are because they are essentially untestable. It *is* the new Windows in that respect. I believe that strongly enough that two days ago I removed the iPhone SDK from my Macbook and installed the Android SDK.... but with eyes wide open about how nasty and alligator filled the swamp ahead actually is.

  2. Increased IT literacy??? by SpaghettiPattern · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Window's dominance of the PC market has been good in many ways ... increased IT literacy

    What?! That's like saying McDonald's did anything for fine cuisine. Gimme a break!

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    1. Re:Increased IT literacy??? by Migala77 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Window's dominance of the PC market has been good in many ways ... increased IT literacy

      What?! That's like saying McDonald's did anything for fine cuisine. Gimme a break!

      Like McD has given us something with which to compare fine cuisine, Windows has given us a way to differentiate between those who are and aren't IT literate.

    2. Re:Increased IT literacy??? by BlueStraggler · · Score: 4, Informative

      Dude, please. You're getting your anti-Apple memes all mixed up.

      Facts: In 1979 the Apple II+ cost $1195 with 48K of RAM. In 1981, the IBM PC cost $1565 with 16K of RAM. Apple had cheaper hardware and software for years. And furthermore Microsoft was a key supplier to both companies, so why on earth would anyone have wanted to crush them?

      The cheap PC clones vs. expensive Apple meme had real legs for about 10 years (early 1990s to early 2000's). It has been false for quite a bit longer than it was true.

  3. Systems Integration by rjstanford · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Looks like I'm sticking with the iPhone for a while then. I've gotten to the point where I'll happily sacrifice a small amount of money and a little flexibility in exchange for a well-vetted, vertically integrated solution rather than an assembly kit that I can use - if I wish - to build something great. With the increased power to do your own thing all to frequently comes the need to do your own thing, with your own time and your own money. Not on my phone, thanks - I'll leave tinkering to the hobbies I choose rather than a useful accessory for my life. And yes, I'm a developer.

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  4. This line from the article.... by GPLDAN · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "The entire phenomenon of viruses and malware is a result of the proliferation of Windows, the people behind malware take advantage of that same standard development platform."

    This sentence is so stupid that it invalidates the arguments contained within the entire article. Who thinks that if Apple and their marriage of hardware and software were to have only existed in some anti-Capra Steve Jobs as Mister Potter world of computing, that viruses and malware would have not existed? Because there are no viruses for MAC OS? By that logic, wouldn't NeXT Step have been the most secure UNIX ever? To lay the existence of malware at Redmond's feet is to be so ignorant of computing and O/S design as to make anything said about Android totally and completely moot.

    1. Re:This line from the article.... by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Also those of us who were using Macs back in the day remember that it was horribly common to get a virus, or at least to be exposed to them. It's not until we got that program that detected suspicious behavior... Gatekeeper? And then later, Disinfectant, a recognition-based AV, that it became possible to get a handle on things.

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  5. Re:Windows gave control, Android takes it away by Microlith · · Score: 5, Informative

    DOS/Windows gave people more control over their computers. people had the software locally and could install anything they wanted. anytime.

    This would have happened for ANY OS that wasn't tied to a big-iron vendor. As I recall, this was (and continues to be) true for Macs as well.

    same with my iphone.

    No. Unless you jailbreak, the software you run on it has to pass a vetting by them. If they pull it later, you'd better hope you don't lose the copy on your PC/Mac.

    with android the app install process is in the cloud and controlled by google

    Are you sure you haven't mixed up Apple and Google? Last I checked, you weren't forced to go to the Marketplace to install software except on a few obscenely locked down devices from AT&T.

  6. Re:Windows gave control, Android takes it away by poetmatt · · Score: 4, Informative

    where do you come up with this shit? on android you have an .apk that can run whether or not google removes it from the app store or entirely for that matter.

    Not only that, but these .apk's aren't hidden, they're on your phone, and even without root access you can back them up easily with plenty of solutions. Plenty of people install android apps without ever hitting the android market or ever having a wifi connection. in fact, there's an entire forum dedicated to it, essentially . Did I mention that things are fairly well documented?

    on iphone you can have it forcefully removed remotely, even by using the old version.

  7. Maemo/Meego by jspenguin1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    So if Android is Windows, iOS is MacOS, does that make Maemo/Meego the Linux of the mobile world?

    "My N900 runs Linux."
    "So does my Android phone."
    "But the N900 runs GNU/Linux!"

    I still get to feel superior.

  8. Re:Windows gave control, Android takes it away by zeroshade · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You're right, I can complain about the $99/yr cost. There is absolutely no reason why I should have to pay an additional $99/year just to install what i want on a device I own.