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New Molecule Could Lead To Better Rocket Fuel

MithrandirAgain writes "Trinitramid is the name of the new molecule that may be a component in future rocket fuel. This fuel could be 20 to 30 percent more efficient in comparison with the best rocket fuels available today, according to researchers (abstract). The discovery was made at the Royal Institute of Technology (KTH) in Sweden. 'A rule of thumb is that for every ten-percent increase in efficiency for rocket fuel, the payload of the rocket can double. What's more, the molecule consists only of nitrogen and oxygen, which would make the rocket fuel environmentally friendly. This is more than can be said of today's solid rocket fuels, which entail the emission of the equivalent of 550 tons of concentrated hydrochloric acid for each launch of the space shuttle,' says Tore Brinck, professor of physical chemistry at KTH."

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  1. Premature Celebration by glueball · · Score: 5, Informative

    From TFA:
    "It remains to be seen how stable the molecule is in a solid form," says Tore Brinck.

    And until then, this is a premature press release to be criticising the shape shuttle solid rockets.

    Someone must need to re-up on their grant.

  2. 20-30% more efficient solid rocket fuel by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 4, Informative

    The key part being "solid". Solid rocket fuels are notoriously inefficient compared to liquid fuels.

    From the sounds of this stuff, assuming that 20-30% is closer to 30% than to 20%, we're talking roughly 75% as efficient as Hydrogen, and somewhat less efficient still than kerosene...

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  3. New molecule? by gmuslera · · Score: 4, Funny

    I tought that the revolutionary molecule that would help with rocket propulsion would be thiotimoline

  4. Redeeculous by Ancient_Hacker · · Score: 5, Informative

    Rocket fuel was a big research area in the 1950's. Dozens of very good chemists spent a whole load (hundreds of millions of 1950-size dollars) trying to make better rocket fuels.

    ( One of them wrote a informative and funny book about that time and place ).

    The short summary is: Yes, you can make higher oomph rocket fuels and oxidizers with more oxygen in them.

    But a lot of the formulas are impractical as:

    (0) They were already discovered years ago, and discarded, but chemists don't like to write up their failures, and researchers don't like to read old moldy research summaries anyway.

    (1) They're waaay too expensive to make, even for military uses.

    (2) They are highly toxic, even more toxic than the widely-used hydrazines, which can kill you in several interesting ways.

    (3) They're so unstable, you have to keep them under impossible conditions, like no sound, no vibrations, no light, and under a part per million of crud in the perfectly-smooth and unscratched nickel-plated tanks.

    (4) They can't be stored for more than a day or so before the fuel or oxidizer starts decomposing itself or the tank walls.

    (5) Too many of the researchers were vaporized while handling the stuff. Literally. Truly. Completely. That tends to make it hard to find substitute researchers to continue working with the same stuff.

    (6) For military applications, you need a fuel that can be handled by raw recruits, stored for many months, be pumped quickly into not always totally clean rocket tanks, kept in those loaded rockets for days to months, and tolerate wide temperature swings. These requirements alone disqualify a large percentage of really zippy fuels and oxidizers.

    The odds are pretty high against this "new" compound being all that new, or it passing the basic requirements for fuel or oxidizer.

    1. Re:Redeeculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Ignition!: An informal history of liquid rocket propellants
      John D Clark, Rutgers University Press, 1972, ISBN-10: 0813507251

      If your dad worked in oxidizers, he likely knows of this book.

      http://www.amazon.com/Ignition-informal-history-liquid-propellants/dp/0813507251
      Amazing book, some of the funniest science stories I have seen published (destroyer parts and bats!, boron!, etc...) - Any scientist would appreciate this.
      Sadly, it is out of print, and copies run up to $200. I got it from my university library and scanned the whole thing.
      You can order reprints from online sources.

    2. Re:Redeeculous by joe_frisch · · Score: 4, Informative

      Agreed. If you want really high specific impulse fuel, then mono-atomic hydrogen, or possibly metallic hydrogen have fantastic theoretical performance. Atomic hydrogen can be easily produced (as a very low density gas), the "only" problem is stabilising it as a liquid or solid.

      In reality the problem with launching to orbit is cost, and that cost is NOT dominated by fuel. As a rough estimate a saturn V used 1 million gallons of kerosine ($5M), to put 200K pounds in orbit. That is ~$25/pound. Whatever is the driving cost in space travel, it is not the cost of the fuel.

      ---Joe Frisch

  5. Big deal by OneAhead · · Score: 5, Informative

    Over the decades, chemists have come up with dozens of molecular structures that would make "the perfect rocket fuel" or "the perfect explosive" (both qualities are closely related). If only they would be stable enough to prevent accidental explosions ("It remains to be seen how stable the molecule is in a solid form"). And be possible to produce in hundreds of tons ("The scientists have also managed to produce enough of the compound in a test tube for it to be detectable.") And most important of all, cheap enough to compete with existing propellants.
    Until these problems can be addressed, this "breakthrough" is just another octanitrocubane
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octanitrocubane
    It's a chemical tour-de-force to synthesize difficult structures like this in the first place, and in that sense, the researchers may have made a valuable contribution to the field of synthetic chemistry, but if you expect rockets with quadruple payloads based on this molecule to be lifting of by 2015, well, don't hold your breath.

    See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2,4,6-Tris(trinitromethyl)-1,3,5-triazine

  6. No hydrogen = poor exhaust velocity by damburger · · Score: 4, Interesting

    By the rocket equation, mass fraction is determined by velocity and exhaust velocity is driven two things; the mass of the molecules being put out and the pressure/temperature of the combustion chamber. The latter is limited, as once you get to about 100 atmospheres and 3000K you start to run out of materials to make the combustion chamber out of. Thus, molecule mass is the real driving factor - which is why despite the truly horrific engineering problems it entails, liquid hydrogen is a highly valued rocket fuel.

    In fact, because molecular mass is so important, H2/O2 rockets are run fuel rich, sacrificing some combustion efficiency in order to leave some unburned hydrogen in the exhaust and reduce its average molecular mass.

    So it doesn't matter how much energy you can get out of this new compound. It will only spit out oxygen, nitrogen and nitrous oxides, all far more massive than the hydrogen and water vapour you get from rockets in use at the moment. Sure, breaking down this molecule in optimal conditions might yield enough energy that the reaction products would have more velocity than the exhaust of a H2/O2 rocket, but there is a reason chemists don't build rockets; these researchers aren't taking into account the kind of unobtanium combustion chamber walls you would need to utilise such an inferno.

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    1. Re:No hydrogen = poor exhaust velocity by John+Hasler · · Score: 4, Informative

      And none of those other fuels has better performance that H2/O2, so whats your point?

      The solid/liquid decision and the choice of fuel is a complex engineering process involving much more than picking the one with the highest ISP.

      BTW lithium-flourine-hydrogen tripropellent has an ISP of 542, versus 455 for hydrogen-oxygen. By your reasoning everyone should be using it, but in fact it has never been used.

      There is a reason they don't use TNT as rocket fuel, you know.

      Nitrogycerin mixed with nitrocellulose was used in the past, but theoretical ISP is not the only consideration. Which is my point.

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  7. Re:Hydrochloric acid? by Ellis+D.+Tripp · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is a potential replacement for the fuel used in the solid rocket boosters, not the main engines.

    While the main engine burn LH2 and LOX, emitting nothing but steam, the SRBs burn a rubbery mix of ammonium perchlorate, powdered aluminum and a polymer binder. They emit a pretty nasty exhaust stream, containing hydrogen chloride and aluminum oxide, among many other compounds.

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  8. Re:Solid rockets by John+Hasler · · Score: 4, Insightful

    > Wikipedia is contradicting itself?

    No. There are extinguishable solid-fuel rockets. The shuttle SRBs are not among them.

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  9. Shuttle SRBs are neither cheap nor reliable by EccentricAnomaly · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Most modern solid-fuel rockets use pretty much the same fuel as the shuttle SRBs. It's cheap, stable and reliable but it does produce a lot of goop and the ISP could be better. If this stuff is stable it might make an excellent replacement for ammonium perchlorate oxidizer.

    Shuttle SRBs are more expensive and less reliable than equivalent liquid boosters. This is the main reason why SpaceX is only using liquid engines in the Falcon-9. ULA uses solid boosters for extra thrust on the Atlas V, but these solids are cheaper and more reliable than Shuttle SRBs. In addition, based on recent conference papers, I think they want to get away from solids in their next generation of rockets.

    So why is NASA planning on using boosters based on the lower performing, more expensive, and less reliable Shuttle SRBs in their new Heavy lift rocket? This is because the Utah Congressional delegation is lobbying heavily for the company that makes the SRBs. The Utah senators inserted text into the continuing resolution that NASA is currently operating under that they claim prevents NASA from even doing trade studies to consider any alternatives to using the Shuttle SRBs.

    Solids might have made sense in the 60s, but with current technology they are no longer needed except in a few specialized applications for robotic planetary exploration spacecraft.

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