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New Solar Reactor Prototype Unveiled

chrb writes "Scientists from the California Institute of Technology and the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology have unveiled a new solar reactor prototype that directly converts carbon dioxide or water into carbon monoxide or hydrogen, respectively. The abstract is available in Science. Quoting the BBC writeup: 'The prototype ... uses a quartz window and cavity to concentrate sunlight into a cylinder lined with cerium oxide, also known as ceria. Ceria has a natural propensity to exhale oxygen as it heats up and inhale it as it cools down. If, as in the prototype, carbon dioxide and/or water are pumped into the vessel, the ceria will rapidly strip the oxygen from them as it cools, creating hydrogen and/or carbon monoxide. ...The prototype is grossly inefficient, the fuel created harnessing only between 0.7% and 0.8% of the solar energy taken into the vessel. Most of the energy is lost through heat loss through the reactor's wall or through the re-radiation of sunlight back through the device's aperture. But the researchers are confident that efficiency rates of up to 19% can be achieved through better insulation and smaller apertures. Such efficiency rates, they say, could make for a viable commercial device."

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  1. Photon-specific or driven by temperature? by otis+wildflower · · Score: 2

    Looks like they focus light to heat the catalyst, but don't do anything that's specific to photons?

    Why wouldn't this work with, say, thorium reactors or wind power or any other means to generate adequate heat for the reactions?

    1. Re:Photon-specific or driven by temperature? by KibibyteBrain · · Score: 2

      Sunlight naturally allows this thermochemical cycle to occur, assuming that the device is allowed to cool at night. With other heat sources(geothermal, etc), you would need to remove the device to cut off the heat source for the "off" period of the duty cycle. Also, that makes this device less appealing than it might seem, as this "19%" efficiency cited doesn't mean you only get even 19% of the heat power of your source put in as power out, but thats only during the "on" period of the duty cycle. This may allow more flexible, if even a bit less efficient ways of converting heat to energy in "constant heat source" applications produce higher average power output from the same source.
      That is probably why these researchers are pushing it for solar power applications, as its strengths(fair decent efficiency for the cost) stand but its [obvious] negatives(cycling) are a built in limitation of all solar power systems.

  2. Hmmm by rossdee · · Score: 2

    It could be a useful way to produce hydrogen, but whats the point of making Carbon Monoxide? Is there a market for that? (Not many concentration camps around these days)

    1. Re:Hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Carbon monoxide can be combined with hydrogen to create methane.

    2. Re:Hmmm by otis+wildflower · · Score: 3, Informative

      If it can be used to manufacture methane (or, ideally, longer hydrocarbons such as butanol) it can be used to generate carbon-neutral vehicle fuel from water and atmospheric CO2.

    3. Re:Hmmm by wizardforce · · Score: 4, Informative

      If only you knew just how useful Carbon Monoxide is in industrial synthesis. Methanol, Acetic acid, Oxalic acid, various synthetic hydrocarbons, catalytic metal complexes like Co2(CO)8, ethylene glycol and a ton of others.
      CO+3HS => CH4 + H2O
      CO+2H2 => CH3OH
      CO+CH3OH => CH3COOH
      CO+2H2+CH2O => ethylene glycol via hydroformylation
      2CO+5H2 => ethanol + H2O via anaerobic fermentation
      etc. etc. etc.

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  3. not new by wizardforce · · Score: 3, Informative

    This is water thermochemical cracking and it isn't new. Not by a long shot. Most of the attention has been on the Sodium Manganese, Sulfur Iodine and this cycle which really hasn't been terribly efficient comparatively. The Cerium cycle which this thermochemical cracking system uses works at a much higher temperature than the other cycles as well. See here for details.

    Water thermochemical cracking is probably the most efficient method of converting solar energy to chemical energy that we have, perhaps that even exists considering the inefficiency of electrolysis.

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    1. Re:not new by Gibbs-Duhem · · Score: 2

      Disclaimer: I work on this professionally, so I have a vested interest.

      There are other well known cycles. Ceria is one of them. So is iron oxide, cobalt oxide, and a few others. Those are solids. I think the solids have a lot more potential than the gases. Ceria is actually what I did my PhD thesis on, and it's my favorite contender. We use it for water splitting and chemical reduction (the same thing they did at caltech), but I'm rather surprised their efficiency is so low. We get quite a lot higher, certainly far higher than solar PV + electrolysis, but the catalysts just don't last very long at high temperatures.

      That said, I'm excited that if it's getting in the news, new or not, because it improves my odds of getting funding to use that tech. The more people working on it, the safer of a bet it will look like to funding agencies. It's a robust, efficient, and cheap technology that should be used everywhere. Just a question of who will solve the catalyst stability and reactor material problems first.

    2. Re:not new by Black+Gold+Alchemist · · Score: 2

      Disclaimer: I work on this professionally, so I have a vested interest.

      Cool. I'm a highschool student with a chemistry interest. Thermochemical engines were a subject I dug into a while back. I wrote a program using Gibbs free energy data from NIST to automatically balance and find the equilibrium constant of the reactions. I used this program to try to predict the outcomes of various reactions for cycle construction. I looked through the data and I found the following cycles to be interesting:
      Fe2O3/Fe3O4
      Sodium-manganese
      Gaz de France (will explain)
      Heat rechargeable batteries (will explain)

      The Gaz de France (see slide show slide 26) runs as follows:
      1. K2O2(l) + H2O(g) -> 2KOH(l) + O2(g) at 100 C
      2. 2KOH(l) + 2K(g) -> 2K2O(l) + H2(g) at 725 C
      3. 2K2O(l) -> 2K(g) + K2O2(l) at 850 C
      Yes. That's potassium. All liquids and gases. No gas-gas separation. If this could really work, I'm sure there's a modification to it to produce elemental potassium. In that case, you can reduce mostly anything.

      The idea with heat rechargeable batteries was as follows - using tin and iron as an example:
      1. Fe + H2O + SnO -> Fe(OH)2 + Sn (aqueous battery - produces electrical current)
      2. Sn + H2O -> SnO + H2 (corrosion of the tin - likely with heat)
      3. Fe(OH)2 + H2 -> Fe + 2H2O

      So it is an electrochemical heat engine. I know tin would likely make life more difficult by forming SnO2 but I left this out to illustrate the way the cycle works. You need two metals, call them A and B. A has to have as negative an electrode potential as possible but still be reducible by hydrogen. Iron fits the bill. Metal B has got to have as positive an electrode potential as possible but still be able to hydrolyze. Tin fits the bill. Copper would be better, but as far as I know, the reaction of copper with water to form hydrogen just does not proceed.

      That said, I'm excited that if it's getting in the news, new or not, because it improves my odds of getting funding to use that tech.

      Good. This tech needs a heck of a lot more funding. It's basically ignored - you read the news, you hear about EV's, fuel cells, solar panels, etc. But you almost never hear about thermochemical engines. The way I think about it, a solar panel is like a Ferrari. It's expensive and fun, but not a great way to cross Africa. A thermochemical engine is like a Toyota Landcruiser. It's durable, it's cheap, and it gets the job done. Have you heard of anyone getting VC funding for this thermochemical stuff?

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  4. Re:CO2 to CO. What WHAT? by wizardforce · · Score: 3, Informative

    1) CO is very useful industrially being used to produce various organic molecules including Methanol, Acetic acid, catalytic metal complexes, hydrocarbons, alcohols etc.

    2) this process does produce oxygen:
    2Ce2O3 + 2CO2 => 2CO + 4CeO4
    4CeO4 + extreme heat => 2Ce2O3 + O2

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  5. Yup by Scareduck · · Score: 4, Informative

    Carbon monoxide is the starting point for Fischer-Tropsch synthesis.

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  6. Ideal Process Description by Black+Gold+Alchemist · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here's just a description of the reactions and why you want CO and gasoline. You want gasoline as the end product because gas is our infrastructure. You don't want methane, alcohol, or some other fuel, because conversion of vehicles to such fuels is virtually impossible with EPA regulations. Instead you want normal (though high octane) gasoline fuel.

    What you get with this system is overall:
    CO2 + H2O + heat -> gasoline + O2

    The first step is to reduce CO2 and H2O:
    Ce2O3 + CO2 -> 2CeO2 + CO (at low temperature)
    Ce2O3 + H2O -> 2CeO2 + H2 (at low temperature)
    4CeO2 + heat -> 2Ce2O3 + O2 (high temperature)

    Next, it you don't have the right mixture of CO2 to H2O, you can do the following:
    CO2 + H2 + heat <-> CO + H2O

    Next, you create methanol:
    CO + 2H2 -> H3COH

    Finally, you create gasoline via the methanol to gasoline process:
    H3COH -> gasoline + H2O

    Now, where do you get the CO2? From CO2 traps, like soda lime:
    CO2 + Mg(OH)2 -> MgCO3 + H2O (in alkaline solution)
    MgCO3 + heat -> MgO + CO2 (heat)

    You could power this CO2 trapper off of waste heat from the engine. This system could be up to 50-60 percent efficient at converting solar energy into gasoline. This is a vast improvement of biofuels, which are often less than 1% efficient. Gasoline engines are only 10% efficient, so the scheme is less efficient than electric cars + solar panels. However, the hydrogen and CO (especially) could be used as reducing agents to reduce metals such as iron and zinc. These metals would then be burned in metal-air fuel cells to provide power on demand. You also need hydrogen to produce ammonia and other industrial chemicals.

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    1. Re:Ideal Process Description by Gibbs-Duhem · · Score: 2

      What on earth are you talking about? The process of thermochemical reduction is going to be:

      CO2 -> CO + O* (where * represents O absorbed by the supports change in oxidation state).
      O* -> O2 (oxygen released during temperature change and accompanying change in oxidation state).

      Yeah, you can mix it with water as well, but why not just do them separately and produce CO and H2 in two tanks which can be combined to get whatever carbon number you want on average in your fuel after a one-step fischer-tropsch synthesis?

      You have this thing going through methanol? Huh? These are all going to decrease your overall yield.

      Next, you claim a 50-60% efficiency in converting to gasoline? Are you just making stuff up as you go along? The thermochemical cycle has a pretty decent amount of loss simply in the requirement that you cool down and heat up the precursors. Hard to move heat around without losses and all. Not to mention the chemical inefficiencies, plus regular thermal losses, plus mirror losses. 20% is an excellent estimate of the maximum photon to chemical conversion efficiency. Now, cost efficiency on the other hand... mirrors are way cheaper than PV panels, so in that regard you're talking about a 20-fold improvement to energy cost efficiency.

      Disclaimer: I work on this professionally, so I'm biased.

  7. Re:Carbonmonoxide? by ZankerH · · Score: 4, Funny

    Your signature is ominously relevant here.