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Open Source After 12 Years

GMGruman writes "12 years ago, seven people in a room coined the term "open source" and launched what initially seemed like a quixotic exercise. Today, open source is mainstream, with original believers such as Red Hat worth billions and superpowers such as Oracle buying in. But open source has changed along the way, says InfoWorld's Peter Wayner, and may change more in coming years."

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  1. Re:12 years? by RedK · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Open Source Initiative, founded by Bruce Perens and Eric S. Raymond was founded in 1998, 12 years ago as of 2010. This is what the article refers to.

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  2. Re:12 years? by cstacy · · Score: 3, Informative

    I've been hacking since 1974, and the concept and practice of open source was not new when I started. (I don't think we had a name for it, way back then. But I also think the tag "open source" is somewhat older than 15 years.)

  3. Re:12 years? by Oriumpor · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Halloween was 1994 wasn't it? I mean, even if you only take into account attempts to monetize Linux the OSS movement started to become popularized at least 16 years ago. RMS wrote the Gnu manifesto 25 years ago, one could argue it all started then....

  4. Allow me... by TheCarp · · Score: 5, Insightful

    12 years ago, seven people in a room coined the term "open source", in an attempt to rebrand the much older "Free Software" movement, and launched what initially seemed like a quixotic exercise, to convince corporate drones who can't look past the CYA service contract, without having to admit that good work can be done by people without a profit incentive, and the whole world is not beholden to their stock market god.

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    1. Re:Allow me... by Abcd1234 · · Score: 3, Informative

      12 years ago, seven people in a room coined the term "open source", in an attempt to rebrand the much older "Free Software" movement

      Huh?

      To say the "open source" movement was an attempt to rebrand "free software" is to completely misunderstand history. The movement to create the OSS brand name was all about broadening the tent to include licenses and models beyond the narrow vision held by RMS.

      See, prior to OSS, "Free Software" meant the GPL. That's it, that's all. As such, anything under that banner was, quite understandably, considered dangerous by commercial companies building closed-source applications (cue flamewar about the viral nature of the GPL).

      OSS was an attempt to broaden that view, including the BSD and MIT licenses, among many others, and to open people's eyes to more than just the GPL orthodoxy. And it worked. We now have a wide variety of licenses to choose from... the aforementioned BSD and MIT licenses, the Perl license, ASF, MPL, CDDL, etc, etc, not to mention the good ol' GPL. All of these fall under the OSS banner, but only one of them is "Free Software" (tm).

    2. Re:Allow me... by david_thornley · · Score: 4, Informative

      I don't have documents that old, but back in the day Stallman was pushing the GPL because GPLed software stayed free, not because it was the only free software. Since then, the FSF has published, on its website, some of Stallman's writings on the point.

      Stallman has defined what Free Software is (it's his term, I guess he gets to define it), and provided a list of Free Software licenses (along, of course, with notes on which are copyleft licenses and which compatible with the GPL). You can go look it up.

      Stallman's view on the terms is that he was explicitly fostering a social movement for Free Software (one of his oddities is that he considers non-Free Software to be immoral), and believes the Open Source movement to be fostering a technical movement, which is much less threatening to business but doesn't serve his ends nearly as well.

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    3. Re:Allow me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      > See, prior to OSS, "Free Software" meant the GPL. That's it, that's all.
      > As such, anything under that banner was, quite understandably, considered
      > dangerous by commercial companies building closed-source applications (cue
      > flamewar about the viral nature of the GPL).

      Certainly the FSF's GNU project didn't see it that way, they list a big whopping list of non-copyleft licenses as being free software.
      http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html

      (This isn't revisionism either, they endorsed the non-copyleft X as being a future part of the GNU system way back in the 1980s for example)

      Copyleft is a tool to promote freedom, but not a necessity, non-copyleft licensed software that meets the four freedoms criteria remains free software as long it it is passed around under such terms -- its only when someone co-opts such software, disregards the golden rule, and doesn't pass on the same freedoms to subsequent users that non-copyleft programs become non-free.
      http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/why-copyleft.html
      """In the GNU Project we usually recommend people use copyleft licenses like GNU GPL, rather than permissive non-copyleft free software licenses. We don't argue harshly against the non-copyleft licenses--in fact, we occasionally recommend them in special circumstances"""

      Perhaps what you mean is that there was a widespread misconception where free software and copyleft were conflated and that the term open source eliminated this.

      But as a matter of technicality, there have been very few licenses interpreted to not meet the FSF's free software guidelines (as evidenced by the big horking list) that have met OSI's open source criteria, and I'm not even aware any on the reverse...

      Thanks,
      A proud, self-identified, *free software* user of a system running mixed copyleft and non-copyleft *free software*

  5. Red hat worth billions? by Musically_ut · · Score: 2
    The last time I checked, it had just touched the $1 billion mark.

    The article too says just that.

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    1. Re:Red hat worth billions? by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 2

      In terms of its market capitalization, Red Hat is indeed worth billions of dollars.

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  6. Yeah, 12 years since the hucksters came by spun · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So what the hell was I using in 1996? Before Bruce and Eric started "promoting" themse... I mean, open source, other people like Richard Stallman and Linus Torvalds were actually writing it.

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    1. Re:Yeah, 12 years since the hucksters came by Mongoose+Disciple · · Score: 5, Insightful

      First paragraph of TFA:

      It is now just over 12 years since seven people sat down in a conference room in Silicon Valley to fix what they saw as the marketing problem with the words "free software." Most people thought that the word "free" meant only that no one had to pay. It seemed they didn't have an attention span long enough to try to grok what Richard Stallman was saying when he kept repeating, "'free,' as in speech."

      So basically, this story is more about a revolution in branding than a revolution in software.

    2. Re:Yeah, 12 years since the hucksters came by amorsen · · Score: 4, Informative

      Free Software.

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    3. Re:Yeah, 12 years since the hucksters came by AndGodSed · · Score: 2

      I think there is a distinction between "open source" as a descriptive of the kind of software you are using, and "open source" as a descriptive of what group or movement the software belongs to.

      Open source as a movement might have been named 12ish years ago, but open source software is much older than that.

      Wasn't BSD open source way back? (sorry if I remember incorrectly)

    4. Re:Yeah, 12 years since the hucksters came by Stormwatch · · Score: 4, Informative

      You were using free software. According to Richard Stallman, the difference is philosophical, although in practice they achieve the same results: the production of more free software.

    5. Re:Yeah, 12 years since the hucksters came by oscartheduck · · Score: 2

      You're correct in just about everything you're saying :) The article is about the branding change that was calling "Free Software" by a different name. Software released under licenses compatible with the Open Source definition, though, is much older.

      If you're ever looking for further information on this stuff, the book "Free as in Freedom" has a little on the further history of Free Software from the RMS viewpoint.

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    6. Re:Yeah, 12 years since the hucksters came by LordSnooty · · Score: 2

      And if the prior 12 years should teach you anything, it's that branding and marketing is what sets nearly all widely-used software apart from the rest.

      Maybe the question should be, with 12 years of open source branding, and with well-marketed products like Ubuntu, why have we not advanced further?

    7. Re:Yeah, 12 years since the hucksters came by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Informative

      TFA does not support the summary. The submitter does not understand the history involved. Christine Peterson is one of at least three people including Bruce Perens who claim to have invented the term "Open Source", in spite of the simple fact that the term appears in the media and in press releases prior to that date. They did not invent the term; they co-opted it. TFA does not state that the term was "coined" at this meeting, although it does strongly imply it. This would be a false and revisionist view of history, but you can't saddle TFA's author with explicitly expressing it, only with failing to disambiguate. This may have been a deliberate choice on their part, since the actual origins of the term are themselves ambiguous.

      Further, TFA makes no predictions, and thus can be roundfiled after being stamped "I've had all these thoughts before and they weren't particularly insightful."

      GMGruman is either an ignoramus who speaks without knowing, or a follower of the OSI.

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    8. Re:Yeah, 12 years since the hucksters came by VortexCortex · · Score: 2

      Sometimes I think that going with "free" was a misstep on Stallman's part, but at the same time, I cannot think of a good alternative.

      Freedom-ware?
      Unrestricted Software?
      Software of Liberty?
      Free-range Software?
      User-Empowering Software?
      Non Captive Software?

      IMO, the biggest problem is that "closed software" doesn't sound as bad as it should...

      Untrustable Software
      Black-Box Software
      Shackle-Ware
      Hood-Locked Software (a car reference).
      System Enslaving Software
      Freedom-Hating Software

    9. Re:Yeah, 12 years since the hucksters came by commodore64_love · · Score: 2

      >>>English just had two nice different words meaning "costless" and "not enslaved"

      It does. Free and liberty. I would have called "free software" as "liberated software" to avoid confusion.

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    10. Re:Yeah, 12 years since the hucksters came by Troed · · Score: 2

      disclaimer: I work for Sony Ericsson ;)

      Sorry to hear that! If there were conditions communicated to you and then not fulfilled (either by your carrier or from us) then you should absolutely let them/us know. Tethering isn't officially supported in Android 2.1 though, and when it comes to "rooting" (which would be able to get you tethering on that version and earlier) we need to fulfill our obligations to all our customers which include the carriers as well.

    11. Re:Yeah, 12 years since the hucksters came by dougmc · · Score: 2

      So basically, this story is more about a revolution in branding than a revolution in software.

      Likely, though really, the term "open source" itself, used as we use it today, is older than that too. For example, this Usenet post is from 1996.

          CALDERA® ANNOUNCES OPEN-SOURCE CODE
                                    MODEL FOR DOS

        DR DOS® + the Internet = Caldera OpenDOS

                PROVO, Utah Sept. 10, 1996 Caldera® Inc. today
      announced that it will openly distribute the source code for DOS via ...

      and it's not the only reference to the term I can find.

    12. Re:Yeah, 12 years since the hucksters came by Teancum · · Score: 2

      Based upon my own experience and the environments that I have worked in, I generally find most FOSS software to be pretty good and generally good enough to get the job done, but often is lacking against the top software in its category.

      After years of being tethered to MS-Windows, I finally made the leap a while ago to Ubuntu Linux. My experience is that it is about as stable as Windows '98 was for me all those years ago, and frankly that is pretty impressive for what is mostly an all-volunteer project. It does lack the final little bit of polish that I expect from professional operating systems and still doesn't hold a candle to very stable operating systems like VMS that I still use as the ultimate standard for a stable operating system. Perhaps that one is a bit unfair because it is comparing different things, but comparing Linux to Windows certainly is appropriate.

      Yes, I get the "so fix it" issue around Linux, which is why I think I've purchased my last copy of Windows if I can help it, but my point is that there still are stability issues in the open source software including base issues with the stability of the applications under Linux. I've encountered the "blue screen of death" equivalent far too many times to simply dismiss the issue as something isolated to a single application.

      A similar kind of issue comes with programs like Inkscape and GIMP, which are fine image manipulation tools, but seem to be just a few steps behind the major software packages like Photoshop. For casual use where you can't or really don't want to afford the software license for something like Photoshop, the other programs certainly are "good enough", but I don't know if I'd use them as a professional artist, and I don't know too many artists who are using them when I ask what software packages they are using.

      In short, It isn't really so much "free-as-in-beer" free that is the issue, but if the thing works in the first place at all and will get the job done. Software like Apache certainly gets the job done, and if you are running a web server I think Linux with Apache and a strong database engine like PostgreSQL or MySQL certainly beats out any similar system with the same hardware.

      The largest advantage I find to FOSS products in general is the end-of-life issues, where open source software often has at least somebody working to maintain the software unless the "market share" is so small that it is completely abandoned and not worth maintaining. More significantly, if there is a "mission critical" need to use some software or product, you can do your own maintenance if necessary or at least cheaply hire out the needed changes without having to go through nasty legal negotiations. Nothing is more frustrating to me than finding some piece of equipment that I am using where I need to either replace a driver or do something with the equipment to interface it with something else and then be told "sorry, but you have the old software and we can't support you anymore." That never happens with FOSS products, at least with my experience.

  7. Re:12 years ? by Mongoose+Disciple · · Score: 3, Interesting

    RTFA!

    Seriously, is it that important to get an early post in that no one who read even the first sentence of the article would write?

  8. Re:12 years? by Ephemeriis · · Score: 2

    The Open Source Initiative, founded by Bruce Perens and Eric S. Raymond was founded in 1998, 12 years ago as of 2010. This is what the article refers to.

    They may have coined the term, registered the domain, and made it all official...

    But I was using open source software before 1998. And referring to it as "open source", too.

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  9. What I wish for in the Open Source world by h00manist · · Score: 2

    First, I wish there were more people in organizing, coordination, mediating disputes. Like any human activity, too much time is wasted due to disputes and/or insuficcient coordination. Projects are abandoned, good people get frustrated, tired, upset, split, and end up duplicating efforts. I don't know of any group coordinating growth strategies, recommending methods to talk to new enthusiasts, how to *better* explain the ideas to new people, how to help people with common questions effectively, not just supplying a convincing answer, but actually resolving, or if not possible, taking note of the issues, and where to take them for proper addressing.
    Second, I wish there were more encouraging, funding, advocacy, promoting and educating strategies. Funding, especially, seems to suffer from old models. The Humble Indie Bundle strategy, Summer of Code, and bounties seem like innovative ideas that are working.

    For example, the main competition for open-source actually seems to be pirate-ware. People always consider open-source when faced with actually paying for software. What strategy should open-source take with this? None? Open standards, as well as standards in general, seem to greatly help open source. How can projects better incorporate them? I guess I'm saying more studies of strategies, and recommended guidelines for developers and users, seem like they could help a great deal.

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    1. Re:What I wish for in the Open Source world by jejones · · Score: 2

      Good point. I recall long ago in high school state history being told that Governor Edmonson put an end to Prohibition in Oklahoma... by enforcing it. How can we put an end to the strategy of turning a blind eye to piracy until the target population is hooked?

    2. Re:What I wish for in the Open Source world by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

      You seem to have missed one of the major sources of fuding, if not the most major source. People and businesses want the softwarefor some reason, so they work on it or pay others to work on it. See e.g. IBM.

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  10. 12 years later... by jonathancarter · · Score: 2

    12 years later, and people are still confused between what Free Software, Open Source and FLOSS means. The movement seems to have had added more confusion than what they tried to solve. I wouldn't really call that much of a success. Also, the OSI haven't really done much more than set up some definitions and approve some licenses. While that in itself can be quite valuable, they seem to get a lot of credit for things they had absolutely no part of.

  11. Re:thank bill gates for OSS success by dkleinsc · · Score: 2

    Windows is still used on desktops and laptops but look around you and everything runs ^nix

    The thing that OSS contributed, though, was that the ^nix that was being run on all these things was freely distributed and pulling in the best ideas from every person or organization willing to contribute, rather than some devices running AIX with all the stuff IBM's engineers had thought of, while some other devices were running Solaris with all the stuff Sun's engineers had thought of, while still others were running SCO Unix with all the stuff old-school SCO had thought of, etc.

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  12. Re:12 years? by mrjatsun · · Score: 2

    > RMS wrote the Gnu manifesto 25 years ago, one could argue it all started then

    no. before GNU, there was "open source" code ;-) From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bsd
          "first Berkeley Software Distribution (1BSD), which was released on March 9, 1978"

    I'm sure there was open source code before that too..

  13. So. Very. Wrong. Must look to gcc. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Stallman started gcc 20+ years ago. Witout that and his GPL, this "movement" wouldn't exist.

  14. Re:Stop calling it "FOSS" by marcosdumay · · Score: 2, Informative

    The term "open source" may have be deliberated crafted to appeal to the masses, but it is also undeliberately crafted in a flawed way, so that it could be interpred on two ways, and one of them is damaging to FOSS.

    By the way, if you want to know what the damaging interpretation is, you just have to ask Microsoft.

  15. Reminds me of a story from "Soul of a New Machine" by david.emery · · Score: 2

    You know, the one about the Data General ad in response to the press release how IBM "legitimizes the minicomputer", that said "The bastards say welcome..."

    I give Perens & Raymond a lot of credit for 'legitimizing' the term, but certainly the concepts and the execution had been going on MUCH longer than "the last 12 years."

    A lot of government contracts in the '70s and early '80s (and probably before that) came with source code and you could grab lots of it over Arpanet/early Internet if you had access. What I think Richard Stallman did was promote the -economic philosophy- that you should (a) always get source code ("free beer"); (b) have the right to modify that source code and redistribute the results ("free speech").

    So we need to keep a couple of things straight:
          1. 'access to source'
          2. 'free (as in beer) software'
          3. 'free (as in speech) modification and redistribution of software'
          4. 'community development/maintenance'
    These are usually combined into the term "open source", but they are 4 distinct aspects of that term.

  16. Free sharing far pre-dates RMS by toby · · Score: 3, Informative

    RMS ignited the modern revolutionary era of free software with his extraordinary legal invention, the GPL - but anyone informed in this area knows that the idea of freely sharing source code, for many of the same benefits underlined in the GPL and open source licenses, dates back at least to the 1950s and IBM SHARE.

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  17. Re:12 years ? by The_mad_linguist · · Score: 2

    See, watch:

    1) I, for one, welcome our Open Source dupe overlords, but do they run Linux?
    2) ???
    3) Natalie profits, naked and petrified and covered in hot grits.

  18. Re:12 years? by Alrescha · · Score: 2

    "I've been hacking since 1974, and the concept and practice of open source was not new when I started."

    This.

    SHARE (www.share.org) was formed in 1955. It's goals were to share information among IT professionals. At least one of the subgroups, VMSHARE, had been sharing code (on tape) since 1973.

    A.

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  19. Rosen book and usage of open source term by joneshenry · · Score: 2

    On page 4 of Kenneth H. Rosen, Richard R. Rosinski, James M. Farber, and Douglas A. Host, UNIX System V Release 4: An Introduction, 2nd Edition, the subsection titled "Open Source Code" has the following first two sentences:

    "The source code for the UNIX System, and not just the executable code, has been made available to users and programmers. Because of this, many people have been able to adapt the UNIX System in different ways. This openness has led to the introduction of a wide range of new features and versions customized to meet special needs."

    The book by Rosen et al. cited above is has year of copyright 1996. There is apparently an earlier edition from 1990. This is no ordinary book by obscure authors--it was considered as one of the "bibles" for its subject at its time and would have been familiar to many. Already in the above description there are the crucial concepts of the importance of source code availability and adaptability.

  20. Oracle is not a superpower by aeoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Today, open source is mainstream, with original believers such as Red Hat worth billions and superpowers such as Oracle buying in.

    Can we please chill with the rhetoric? Oracle is not a superpower, for fuck's sake. Secondly, Oracle's relationship with open source is not entirely clear. Oracle currently seems to be at odds with at least some open source initiatives. So I wouldn't be saying that Oracle is "buying in" if I were in your place.

  21. You're kidding by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Free Software licenses and Open Source licenses are the same licenses to this day. RMS has always accepted BSD as a free software license. There are some licenses that are not GPL-compatible but still considered to be Free.

  22. Re:You were using free software by tal_mud · · Score: 2

    GPL v1 goes back to 1989, so free as in Libre clearly existed way before the "open source" branding. Of course in actuallity RMS was pushing free as in Libre *way* before GPL v1