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Should Colleges Ban Classroom Laptop Use?

theodp writes "If you were a college prof, think you could successfully compete for the attention of a lecture hall of Mac-packing students? CS student Carolyn blogs that a debate has sprung up on her campus about whether it is acceptable to use a laptop in class. And her school is hardly alone when it comes to struggling with appropriate in-classroom laptop use (vendor/corporate trainers would no doubt commiserate). The problem, she says, is that the OCD Facebookers aren't just devaluing their own education — there's a certain distraction factor to worry about. 'Students,' she suggests, 'should also communicate with each other more and tell their classmates when their computer use bothers them. I'll admit it, when I'm trying to pay attention to the lecture, even someone's screensaver in the row ahead of me can be a major distraction.'"

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  1. College is a choice... by Afforess · · Score: 3, Insightful

    College is a choice, if students decide to squander it, banning laptops won't fix it.


    Besides, they'd just pull out their iPhones then. ;)

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    1. Re:College is a choice... by nahdude812 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That was my initial reaction until I read the part about it being a distraction to other students (eg, a screensaver, someone playing a game, etc).

      I don't think banning laptops is the way to approach that, there's a lot of value for students who use their laptops well. And I agree with you, college is a good opportunity for teenager-cum-adults to have the freedom to make their own decisions in an environment which helps them to measure themselves (eg, they can see their grades slipping). So for the student who wants to waste class time by doing something else, that's their decision, so long as they're not taking down others with them.

      If anything needs to be done, it should take the form of TA's who approach distracting kids and ask them to at least sit in the back of the room when not fully engaged in classwork (or ask them to do things like switch to an unobtrusive screensaver if they're not actively using the laptop, etc). Students who have difficulty with being distracted can make it a point to try to sit in the front of the room so there's less opportunity for distraction in front of them.

      It's possible some students don't realize they're being a distraction, so the mere act of the professor mentioning at the start of the class some basic laptop use etiquette might by itself go a long way:

      1. Please silence your laptops and cell phones
      2. Please disable your screensaver or set it to a blank screen
      3. If you are going to do anything on your laptop which is not related to the classwork, please sit toward the back of the room
    2. Re:College is a choice... by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Smoking is a choice too.

      Smoking around others harms their health. At most, using a laptop in class will cause some of the weaker-minded students who couldn't concentrate even if laptops were banned to become distracted. Such unmotivated people aren't even worth worrying about, and they're certainly not worth banning a useful tool over. If you want to pay attention to the lecture, then pay attention to it. Unless they're being loud, there's no reason you shouldn't be able to.

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    3. Re:College is a choice... by protektor · · Score: 1, Insightful

      No actually there isn't. We do not need more nanny state. If students want to waste their college education that is up to them. Most people forget that so many college have everything online for classes so you can see and read about the information the professor is giving in class. Students also take notes with their laptop. So no banning laptops is not a reasonable reaction. Just learn to ignore the typing, which is no worse than someone scribbling like mad on paper. The government or schools are not here to regulate every little bit of your life. Grow up, learn to deal with people's differences and things that annoy you. People need to learn to take responsibility for themselves and not expect someone else to take care of them or deal with their problems.

    4. Re:College is a choice... by __aagmrb7289 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'd prefer that laptop users be required to sit in the BACK OF THE CLASS. I don't really care if they are squandering their money playing some sort of game or watching porn. I want to be able to pay attention to the lecture, not have to try to ignore some action packed flashing laptop monitoring that keeps lighting up in between me and the instructor. I don't pay the money I pay to go to school and police other students. I'm there to learn - if they aren't, it's not okay to expect me to pay the price as well for their disinterest.

      On subject, however - I have no problem with laptops in the class. The sounds of clicking and typing really aren't that distracting, and it can be very helpful to a lot of people. And honestly? Sometimes I DO need to grab my laptop and ignore the lecture for five minutes while I fix something at work (I own a small business, I'm often the only one that can do something without using an expensive on-call consultant). And that should be fine - as long as I am being respectful and not disrupting the education of the other people in the class - the education they (or someone) is paying good money for.

  2. Depends on the case. by Z00L00K · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It all depends on what is done in the classroom if a laptop (or other device) can be used or not.

    During some laborations the use of a laptop can be good since it allows the students to have a location where to make notes and share them, but in other cases it may be a distraction instead. Don't forget the information overload factor - education is often about how to come to a conclusion yourself, not to draw on other people's conclusions.

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  3. Yes, you are right by harmonise · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes, let's ban a useful tool because some people are too meek to ask others to stop doing distracting things with their laptops. [rolls eyes] When did people become so afraid? Is it really that hard to respectfully ask someone to change their behavior so as not to disturb others? Are we to ban a useful technology in the classroom because of a handful of bozos?

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    1. Re:Yes, you are right by stewbacca · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem with you and your type is that you "think" every call is important. You are in every class, you are at every movie theater, you are in every restaurant. Turn your damned phone off for 60 minutes.

      If you have a sick family member, put it on vibrate. If you insist on letting your phone ring, even when told not to, and given the viable alternative of putting it on vibrate, then you are a child...a petulant little child...that needs to be treated exactly as such.

      I shouldn't have to ask you to leave if you get a call. When your phone vibrates (not rings), you should quietly get up and leave my classroom before answering.

      People have had sick relatives long before the advent of instant-communication, and we did just fine. Deal with it. You aren't as important as you think.

  4. Why not ban mandatory attendence of lectures? by CRCulver · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I spent my undergraduate years at an American university and then moved to Europe for the remainder of my academic years. Imagine how happy I was to find that here lectures are not obligatory -- the exams are rigorous, the expectations clearly laid out in a syllabus, and you're welcome to study on your own and show up on the last day of the course and show your knowledge. While some fields may actually impart useful knowledge through lectures, in so many fields one can get the same information from books.

    So why not just make lectures optional? The students who are likely to simply surf the net can be absent, while those who come will probably want to be there.

    1. Re:Why not ban mandatory attendence of lectures? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      The difference you are seeing is between undergrad and grad students. It has nothing to do with the courses. Undergraduate students think that college is like highschool and go to every class and sleep and talk through them. Profs often try to get students to come to class to spark their interest or because they like to think they are important. Graduate students actually worked to get where they are and want to learn the material. Professors care more about the advanced material and know they can treat the graduate students like adults-- thus the clear syllabus and open format to graduate classes.

      Of course, if I were you I would probably just find some way to bash another country-- since that's what all the cool kids do. I'm surprised you made it into grad school when you obviously go for popular opinion over critical thought. But who am I kidding, "amurica sux!", amirite?

      Full disclosure: I went to, and have taught at, "American Universities" and attending classes in undergrad is not mandatory by any sort of system I have seen-- it has always been at the discretion of the professor. The reason undergrads show up is they think it's going to help their grade by being present.

  5. Try this. by migla · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "[W]hen I'm trying to pay attention to the lecture, even someone's screensaver in the row ahead of me can be a major distraction."

    How about having the ones with laptops sitting in the back or the ones distracted sitting in front (perhaps depending on whichever is the larger group).

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  6. Yes, but not for these reasons... by Manip · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Should laptops be banned? Yes. But let's ban them because writing offers better recall and less personal distractions. Frankly the argument that someone else reading facebook is distracting is almost laughable. I fail to see how facebook or slashdot are any more distracting on someone else's laptop than for example a word document or OneNote.

    But as a sidebar I just want to point out how lame "college" has become. It used to be for those serious about their education or the academic subjects, but now it is just another mandatory level of education with the same behavioural problems from those who really have no wish to be in attendance. The fact that we're talking about treating 19 to 24 year olds like small children should tell you how silly the situation is becoming.

  7. Re:taking notes by Arlet · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Maybe. But on the other hand, taking notes may distract you from actually understanding the material that's being presented.

  8. Re:No they shouldn't by dachshund · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As a professor I can tell you that I don't care if you doodle or daydream. I don't honestly even care if you come to class. But if you do choose to come to my class I want you to at least conceal your inattentiveness, in the same way I would expect you not to take a phone call during a theatrical performance or even a movie I've paid to attend.

    The problem with Internet-connected laptop users is that some are very bad at this. In the same way that it's possible to use a mobile phone in a non-distracting way, it's possible to use a laptop appropriately. But many don't. And it's distracting to see someone engrossed in a screen or vigorously typing away in a manner that's obviously disconnected from the course itself. Worse is obvious IMing between students in the same class, which is distracting and intimidating to students who ask questions or actually participate in the discussion.

    I work hard to prepare my courses and get consistently high student reviews. But a lot of the energy in the class comes from the students, and distractions like this work like a control rod in an atomic pile. Believe me, everyone gets a worse experience.

    It's particularly hard because I teach Master's students at a decent university. These are adults, mind you, people who are supposed to know these things. They're people who probably wouldn't take a phone call in a theatre, but for some reason they have no sense of etiquette when a laptop is involved. Worse, it's hard to scold adults and nobody else in the class wants to do it.

    These aren't bad people. I understand the temptation of having a laptop in front of you, you just want to check that email. But it really does hurt the class experience. I don't want to ban laptops, and honestly I don't want to be a dick. But I wish to god I could disable Wifi at the AP. Unfortunately University IT controls it and they wouldn't be thrilled.