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IBM Files the Patent Troll Patent

An anonymous reader writes "It's all or nothing over at IBM as the company goes for the gold and files the patent troll patent. Forget the Hyperlink patent or the POS shutdown patent, IBM wants the patent patent. Its idea is centered around an approach to managing patents from inventor training to filing and protection strategies, including competitive monitoring. At least in theory, IBM could get approval to own the idea of how to manage patents and make a business out of IP. The next time you file a patent, you may want to contact them as you may need a license to file for filing."

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  1. Metapatent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    So basically this is a "metapatent." Someone should patent the idea of doing metapatents! And someone else should patent the idea of the idea of doing metapatents!

    1. Re:Metapatent? by HungryHobo · · Score: 2

      no no, haven't you ever read a patent?

      the way to say it is

      "We're awfully close to meta, to a plurality of powers, grants made by a government that confers upon the creator of an invention the sole right to make, use, and sell that invention for a set period of time."

    2. Re:Metapatent? by icebike · · Score: 4, Informative

      So basically this is a "metapatent." Someone should patent the idea of doing metapatents! And someone else should patent the idea of the idea of doing metapatents!

      No its not.

      Its a patent for a software system. Period. End of Story.

      The Summary above is almost pure hype, based on an article that itself was mostly hype, leading to a perfect storm of hype.

      (Maybe Hype Squared should be patented, at least we could go after these hypesters that post stories on Slashdot to troll anything relating to patents.)

      You can''t release a piece of software that mimics ALL of IBMs claim, but that has nothing to do with patenting anything.

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    3. Re:Metapatent? by icebike · · Score: 2

      "Its a patent for a software system."

      "software system" does not magically make something unique.

      It is a patent for a unique software system.

      There is no system exactly like this system which therefore makes it unique, no magic needed.

      You can not market a Software System to manage Patents if it violates this patent.

      If IBM did not restrict their patent to a particular platform then it is not so limited, and they can come out with an iphone version, a tablet version, etc, and nobody else can take IBM's system and tweak it for an iphone.

      If IBM DID tie their patent to a specific platform (which would be really dumb) then you can patent something almost exactly the same but which runs on an iphone.

      Go read the patent.

      What about this is so hard to understand?

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  2. Hah! I had this idea once, sort of. by seebs · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I was walking in an icy parking lot when it hit me:

    1. File a business method patent on "keeping a parking lot so icy that it's hard to walk safely in it."
    2. Sue people for violations.

    This led to my revised idea:
    1. File a business method patent on patent trolling.

    I thought I was joking. The thing is, if I blogged about it (and I may have), I wonder if it's prior art?

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  3. Fixing this mess by ciaran_o_riordan · · Score: 4, Informative
    documenting it on http://en.swpat.org/

    More important than yet-another-silly-patent, this year there will be opportunities to fix this mess somewhat. In the USA, the Supreme Court is to hear the i4i v. Microsoft case, and in Canada, the Federal Court of Appeal will decide if Amazon's 1-click patent is valid patentable subject matter.

    Background info:

  4. Waiting for lawsuit against the patent office by mysidia · · Score: 5, Interesting

    For contributory infringement, due to having approved a patent whose filing infringes upon IBM's patent rights

    Perhaps would teach them a lesson about obvious patents?

  5. Re:I think I am by ArAgost · · Score: 5, Funny

    it appears there is prior art

  6. Re:Or maybe... by Cinder6 · · Score: 4, Funny

    And while we're at it, let's trademark the trademark symbol

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  7. Re:Hah! I had this idea once, sort of. by LingNoi · · Score: 2

    pfft like having an implementation ever stopped anyone filing a patent.

  8. Direct Link to Patent Application by ZeroNullVoid · · Score: 5, Informative
  9. Awful article, legitimate patent by Sarten-X · · Score: 4, Informative

    After reading TFA and finding effectively nothing about the patent itself, other than typical "oh-no-patents-are-bad" scaremongering, I finally found one single link to the patent in question. The title (conveniently not mentioned in TFA) is "Intellectual Property Component Business Model for Client Services". From that alone, it appears the patent covers only a particular method for managing IP. It doesn't directly relate to actually filing patents at all.

    Looking at the abstract and claims, it describes a "computer system" (probably implemented as an application like any other) with a large number of modular parts that manages each step of IP creation, organization, administration, and enforcement.

    It includes a module to keep track of what is or is not a current patent, and where.

    It includes a module to keep track of who's licensing what, and with what conditions.

    It includes a module to take a business plan and figure out what IP will be necessary to enact that plan.

    Skimming through the other claims, it appears to be pretty benign: It's an application to sort out the mess of IP every big company has. Heck, as a final product, it might even cut down the number of patent trolls, because companies can more easily show all the IP that a particular product uses, and know that what the troll is claiming is not in the product.

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    1. Re:Awful article, legitimate patent by icebike · · Score: 2

      Exactly.

      Its a computer system people.

      Now can we just stop with the sophomoric posts about patenting rain and move on?

      There never was a story here. They patented a software package. Thats all.

       

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    2. Re:Awful article, legitimate patent by Sarten-X · · Score: 2

      Yes, if you're very specific about the details of what your program does, and what's novel about it. There's the rub: How much novel material would you be able to gather in one place? How much time and money would it take to compile the material into a marketable system? That investment is what the patent aims to recoup.

      This is not a patent covering all forms of IP management. It covers one specific system. Change any part significantly, and it's no longer covered. One of the details is that objects are referenced by a keyword. I'm no lawyer, but you could have a system use a set of keywords, and consider that a novel addition.

      If you were to patent a particular system for managing advertisements, any other system that does things differently would be fair game. Maybe you pick an advertisement at random for every display, using weighted probabilities. A different system that draws from a deck wouldn't infringe.

      Patents do not cover ideas. Only copyright does that. Patents cover specific novel solutions to problems. Solve a problem differently, and you don't infringe the patent. There's nothing "broken" about rewarding inventors for solving problems. What's "broken" in my opinion is the notion that any interesting solution is fair game for copying by anyone, regardless of how little they contributed to solving the problem.

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  10. Re:Hah! I had this idea once, sort of. by seebs · · Score: 2

    I have no idea, but copyright wouldn't allow me to sue them unless they used my exact wording in their patent, because copyright protects expressions, not ideas.

    IANAL, but I talk to one sometimes.

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  11. has anyone bothered to actually read claim 1 ? by cinnamon+colbert · · Score: 5, Informative

    there are 3 independent claims, 1, 10, and 18
    1 is below
    It is a bit hard to follow, but claim language is the precise definition of what the patent covers; if you have something that omits only one of the items below, then you are not infringing Given the many, many steps in the claim 1, I don't see it having much value - for instance, the claim language says that there will be guidelines for IP counsel; if you did everything exactly as the IBM patent said, but omitted this step, you would not be infringing. 1. A computerized system for an intellectual property (IP) framework, including:a strategic planning computer module for formulating business strategies for creating and managing inventions and IP rights, said strategic planning module including at least one electronic database having data for formulating said business strategies;an invent computer module for managing creation of said inventions based on said business strategies;an IP creation computer module for determining value of said inventions and creating an IP portfolio, said creating of said IP portfolio including creating said IP rights based on said determining of said value and said business strategies;an IP administration computer module for managing said IP rights based on said business strategies including extension, maintenance and retirement of said IP rights, measuring performance of said business strategies, creating and modifying budgets, and setting guidelines for IP counsel;a defend computer module for defending against infringements and invalidations of said IP rights based on said business strategies and monitoring market and competitor actions to develop risk management plans;an influence computer module including a standards influencing unit, a legal and regulatory influencing unit, and a policy influencing unit; anda capitalize computer module for identifying potential licensees and potential assignees of said IP rights, and managing licensing negotiations, cross-licensing negotiations, and assignment negotiations based on said business strategies,said business strategies provided by said strategic planning computer module being input into at least one of said invent computer module, said IP creation computer module, said IP administration computer module, said defend computer module, said influence computer module, and said capitalize computer module,said inventions provided by said invent computer module being input into said IP creation computer module, andsaid IP rights provided by said IP creation computer module being input into at least one of said IP administration computer module, said defend computer module, said influence computer module, and said capitalize computer module.

    1. Re:has anyone bothered to actually read claim 1 ? by icebike · · Score: 2

      Thank you for that wall of text.

      Did someone patent the paragraph break while I was asleep?

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  12. Re:It's broke by hedwards · · Score: 2

    Step 0: Convince voters to vote for politicians that actually care about change.

  13. My patent on patent patenting by johnwbyrd · · Score: 2

    That's OK because I have already patented the process of patent patenting. Therefore, any patent patenters who attempt to patent their patent patenting process will need to first license my patent patent patent.

  14. Re:I think I am by ThunderBird89 · · Score: 2

    Indeed there is, at UserFriendly.org

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  15. Re:Hah! I had this idea once, sort of. by leromarinvit · · Score: 3, Informative

    This led to my revised idea:
    1. File a business method patent on patent trolling.

    I thought I was joking. The thing is, if I blogged about it (and I may have), I wonder if it's prior art?

    Was that before April 2007? If not, Halliburton beat you to it:

    Patent Acquisition and Assertion by a (Non-Inventor) First Party Against a Second Party

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  16. Re:Or maybe... by jepaton · · Score: 2

    Recursive use of the trademark symbol could make things a little interesting.

  17. Re:When will the patent offices catch on? by Theaetetus · · Score: 2

    If anything, this proves how ridiculous the whole patent process became.

    Patents are supposed to encourage innovation. Not stifle it.

    No, if anything, this proves how ridiculous all the "zomg patents r broke" posts are. Look at this thread - 95% ranting about how patents are broken and making jokes about patenting breathing, and 5% actually talking about the claims of this application and noting that the article summary has little to do with them.

    Slashdot threads are supposed to encourage investigation and debate. Not stifle it in FUD.

    As a side note, much of your post is complaining about the Amazon one-click patent. That patent has been upheld on reexamination, with all of the prior art that Slashdot and anti-software patent groups could throw at it. It really wasn't just a patent on clicking. You have to actually read the claims, not just the title. And certainly not a Slashdot article that is based solely on a misinterpretation of the title.

  18. Re:Or maybe... by ocdscouter · · Score: 2

    I for one welcome our new Recursive Overlords...