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Why Digital Newsstands Stink

An anonymous reader writes "As Google prepares to compete with Apple in the digital newsstand business, both companies seem to be glossing over the fact that consumer demand for digital magazines is dropping. 'Wired's collapse from 100,000 iPad copies in June to 23,000 in November was most dramatic, but the story is not much different at Glamour, Vanity Fair, GQ or Men's Health.' Meanwhile, issues of subscriber privacy continue to crop up — Google has reportedly told publishers it will supply certain information about subscribers, and it's not clear whether users will have the ability to opt-out. And according to the Wall Street Journal, 'Apple is planning to share more data about who downloads a publisher's app, information publishers can use for marketing purposes.'"

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  1. All your Data are belong to us by Yvan256 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Brent Spiner could not be contacted for comments.

  2. Predicted future news: by Even+on+Slashdot+FOE · · Score: 4, Insightful

    People continue to prefer not paying for things. Also, most people like having privacy in their lives.

    1. Re:Predicted future news: by mcgrew · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't thionk it's a matter of "People continue to prefer not paying for things", rather people continue to prefer not paying for things that are usually free -- like books, magazines, and music, which is at your local library for free.

      When you buy a print newspaper, you're buying ink and paper, and the ads pay for the content. Now they've not only done away with the cost of the ink and paper, they're charging you as much as when they had to buy paper and ink, plus selling your private information!

      People prefer free water out of the fountain, yet plenty still buy bottles of it. These "magazines" are like someone trying to sell bottled water that that tastes like urine -- inferior to the free version.

    2. Re:Predicted future news: by jedidiah · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "so many" haven't.

      A small number have. This small number tends to be overhyped and overinflated by fanboys that seem to desperately want to replace the old MS-DOS hegemony with a new PhoneOS hegemony.

      There are still many more eyeballs for non-proprietary content of all sorts (not just magazines).

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    3. Re:Predicted future news: by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I've used an iPad to manage a server from 35K feet on a Virgin Atlantic flight. Not everyone uses it for games.

    4. Re:Predicted future news: by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Get a better monitor and / or turn down the brightness a tad? Really. I look at LCD monitors ALL DAY sometimes. No eyestrain until I go outside and see the bright shiny thing.

      This seems to be some sort of urban myth. It's quoted forever but people's experience varies so widely that I don't think it is really true. Of course, I've seen many, many computers with LCD displays that are set up so poorly with terrible fonts, colors, resolutions and brightness settings that I start getting nauseated after 5 minutes, but I don't think it's an LCD issue per se.

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    5. Re:Predicted future news: by vlm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I take it you don't read for long periods of time. ... it's that trying to read for long periods of time on a monitor sucks....

      Get your eyes checked. Seriously, not being a jerk, just some advice at the human level. Its like heart problems where if the doc catches it early, its no problemo vs you wait for it to start working. Being blind would kind of suck, especially if it could have been easily prevented. My grandmother has taken eyedrops for most of her life, something about an iris problem or whatever, but a lifetime of eyedrops beats the heck out of getting diagnosed after going blind. Maybe all you need is eyeglasses.

      Normal healthy people can gaze into their LCD monitor or LCD TV for, frankly, the majority of their waking time, with no pain or discomfort at all. A world full of office workers gaze into their laptop LCD all day, then watch their LCD TV all night, no problemo.

      "no pain no gain" is for a (inaccurate) motto for weightlifters, not readers. If reading hurts, you're totally doing it wrong.

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    6. Re:Predicted future news: by golden+age+villain · · Score: 4, Informative

      I am reading on the iPad quite often. The problem with the Wired app is that you have to pay extra dollars, even as a subscriber for the print issue, for what is basically a few videos and some cheesy animations. The really interesting content, a.k.a. the in-depth articles are not in the iPad issue. Honestly I don't see how that model could work. On the contrary, The Economist gives subscribers of the print issue the entire content at no extra cost and the app is free. You can even download the entire issue as audio files and you don't need to download an updated app every month and 300 MB of data for every single issue. Comics also make a good read. Actually reading is the only really useful feature of the iPad I found so far.

  3. Truck delivery by boristdog · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hey, I've seen all those movies where they just throw a big bundle of the latest issues off the back of a truck as they pass by the newsstand.
    Even with a protective case that's gotta be harsh on the iPad.

    1. Re:Truck delivery by jmac_the_man · · Score: 3, Funny

      You're holding it wrong.

  4. privacy? gotta be some other reason... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Good god! When has anyone on the internet ever cared about privacy? We're talking *500 million* people who don't mind giving their data to a company whose entire business model is about selling it to advertisers and tracking every move they make.

    We're talking hundreds of millions of people that still run tracking scripts from google analytics.

    If there's one thing the internet has taught us, it's that people don't give a shit about their privacy. If some business fails, it isn't because people objected to the privacy violations. People LOVE privacy violations.

  5. This isn't a new issue... by sglewis100 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The privacy issue has to be framed against the fact that they have this same information on you when you subscribe annually in print form. That's why they want it so much - they are used to it! That said, Apple to date has been very adamant about not sharing this information with app developers upon download time, it's actually been a bone of contention, and a major hindrance to magazines with annual subscription offerings. Zinio and Amazon (Kindle) have sidestepped it by forcing you to purchase through their web fronts. PressDisplay does subscriptions through their web sites, and single issues for newspapers through the App Store in-app purchasing, so they get your information when you subscribe, but not when you buy one issue.

  6. I'ts not 'cheapness' by gurps_npc · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I, and many others, are perfectly willing to PAY good money for things that would otherwise be free.

    But we don't want to watch advertisements while we do it.

    Expecting people to pay for online content and ALSO see any advertisement (I mean ANYTHING, even simple words), is kind of like saying HBO wants to continue to charge their premium price for premium services but it is now going to show advertisements.

    NO. You can't have it both ways,

    You want ads? You can't charge. Period.

    You want to charge? You can't have ads. Also, NO tracking. No ads means you don't have to tracks us (You can still track how many people read which article, but not which article any individual reads.)

    As long as the greedy morons try to charge HBO prices for TBS content, surprise surprise, no one will pay.

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    1. Re:I'ts not 'cheapness' by Dynedain · · Score: 4, Informative

      But that's not how it works in the print world, except for a small set of free papers. The vast majority of print periodicals require you to pay (either subscription or newsstand) AND have much of the cost subsidized by advertisers.

      The business model for magazine publishes is to collect a certain demographic of readers (which they verify using subscription data) that they can then market as a audience block to advertisers. They have a lot of data about this audience block, including demographics, income levels, and purchasing trends and more.

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    2. Re:I'ts not 'cheapness' by gurps_npc · · Score: 3, Insightful
      What is this 'print world' you talk of it? It sounds like some ancient business that is failing.

      The print world had far better advertisement rules - nothing in the middle of an article breaking it up, no video, no sound, no "ROLLOVER CRAP", most of it on entirely separate pages that people could skip over.

      This is NOT the print world, and attempting to use the oldest of the systems as a model is why they fail

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  7. It was a dumb idea by sayfawa · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Even if I wanted to pay for news and magazine articles (which I don't) why would I want to go through the extra complication of a separate app for every newspaper, and downloading each magazine? The web already covers this. Am I missing something?

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    1. Re:It was a dumb idea by MichaelSmith · · Score: 3, Interesting

      For me its much better to browse an aggregator such as google news or an RSS client for articles and then pick and choose from different sources. Often on google news I will deliberately select a foreign source for a domestic article because they edit the text differently and give it a more interesting slant.

      I don't want to subscribe to all of Wired or The Age or what ever. I will however read bits and pieces of each and maybe I would pay for access to some of those bits.

      So I think the subscription model needs to be rethought around this more disparate way of doing things. For me it would be a lot more use if the Magazine app is more like an RSS app.

  8. Amazon Kindle Store - Periodicals by Fantom42 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Go look at the comments for some of the "top sellers" of periodicals on the Kindle. Things like New Yorker, or Economist. You find that there are a ton of people that want to pay for this stuff on their device, but right now the deal is no good. Here are a few examples of what people justly complain about:

    - When you buy a digital subscription, you don't get website access that you do get with a print subscription.
    - Missing editorial cartoons, and even articles (reported from the Kindle version of the New Yorker)
    - They delete access to anything more than 2 months old. Meaning if your device crashes or you have to replace it, you lose those articles.
    - Pagination and sections are done in an inconvenient way.
    - The cost is no cheaper than a print subscription.

    I'm sure there are others. But as a person who recently found himself with an e-book reader and would love to have magazines and newspapers on there, much of this stuff is just a showstopper. Too bad, really.

  9. This isn't a hard problem. by xtal · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Put issues in the iBookstore for $0.99.

    Add a subscribe option.

    Profit.

    Nobody is going to pay full retail for an electronic version, it ain't happening. Alternatively come up with a global pass system ala hulu that allows you to read lots of magazines for a flat fee.

    Otherwise, $6.99 buys a lot of 3G time to look at your website. For free.

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  10. Re:Well by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Reading books in digital is great because it is a linear process. But how many people read magazines in a start to finish fashion?

    *Raises hand* Scientific American, Wired, The Economist, and MAKE.

  11. Its the cost. by MrQuacker · · Score: 5, Informative
    My subscription to Esquire is something silly, like $12 a year. Not taking into account the cost of the iPad, buying the iPad version of the magazine costs $5 an issue. That's $12 vs $60 a year.

    So, why should I buy the digital version when the print version is not just better, but cheaper? And I dont need a specialized tool to read it.

  12. Won't anyone think of the content?! by gilgongo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's not "digital newstands" that stink, it's "news" itself. It always has stunk, but it's not until we've had the Internet and free distribution channels for any alternatives that it's started to be seen for what it is.

    Most, if not all of the content you find in any given "quality newspaper" is baloney. It's either political public opinion testing ("Obama MAY ban [something controversial]"), worthless human-interest crap and celebrity gossip, sport, re-heated press-releases, or pompous "this writer thinks..." editorials reading only slightly less well than most stand-up comedy routines ("Single mothers!?! What's up with them???!!").

    In terms of content, I think newspapers and most magazines have hit the buffers now. They used to fulfil a middle-class need for mental masturbation, making people feel they had to "keep up" with the "news" or they would mysteriously fall victim to being "uninformed" about whether some politician wanted them to know about some policy or other (pretty much consumption of propaganda from government and industry). But with the web, blogs, Twitter, RSS whatever, it's now much easier to get what you need about news that matters to you in more concentrated form than newspapers or magazines are offering.

    So the decline in news consumption has less to do with platforms or channels, and much more to do with the fact that the Internet has simply unmasked publications like Newsweek and Wired as being pretty poor-quality against the general free flow of information from non-mainstream sources. In short, content is RALLY king this time. Heck, on any given subject, I would get more out of /. than I would from reading Time's coverage of it.

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  13. Re:Censorship by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    To be fair, as traditional media has become more and more consolidated, the companies that own the magazines, newspapers, and networks exert this kind of control too. I'm not saying I approve of this situation, you understand, just pointing out that singling out e-publication as uniquely vulnerable doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

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