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Amazon To Launch 'Amazon Appstore For Android'

angry tapir writes "Amazon is preparing to open an Android app store to compete with Google's Android Market, and has launched a beta portal where developers can submit applications for Android-based smartphones. The applications will be sold on the Amazon Appstore for Android, which the company expects to launch later this year. At launch, the Appstore will be available for customers in the US, and it will be compatible with Android 1.6 and higher. Users will be able to shop for applications from their PCs, which isn't possible with the existing version of Android Market, or from their smartphones, and pay with their existing Amazon account."

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  1. Re:But why? by godrik · · Score: 2

    to get the $.01 per transaction google currently gets.

  2. Re:But why? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What's the point? It's easy enough to share/sell an application on Google's Android App store...

    Wouldn't you want your app being recommended by Amazon while you're looking for seemingly releated stuff?

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  3. About damn time. by Zelgadiss · · Score: 2

    Was wondering when Amazon was going to enter the fray.

    They already have a music store, selling apps isn't that big of a jump.

    Already having peoples credit card numbers and the trust of most will also helps.

    1. Re:About damn time. by KuNgFo0 · · Score: 2

      They've stated in the terms that you can suggest a price, but ultimately Amazon decides what to charge for your app. I can't imagine any developer actually being happy with this arrangement.

  4. AppBrain by rhook · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Users will be able to shop for applications from their PCs, which isn't possible with the existing version of Android Market"

    Guess they haven't heard about AppBrain.

    http://www.appbrain.com/app/appbrain-app-market/com.appspot.swisscodemonkeys.apps

    1. Re:AppBrain by I8TheWorm · · Score: 2

      Appbrain's ability to push to the device was broken by the latest Market release.

      Sucks.

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  5. Re:But why? by punkrockguy318 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes, and this Users will be able to shop for applications from their PCs, which isn't possible with the existing version of Android Market, or from their smartphones, and pay with their existing Amazon account. Didn't RTFS

  6. Did they also announce by CheerfulMacFanboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    when the first apps will be remotely removed from phones?

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    1. Re:Did they also announce by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      Actually this is a step away from this happening. Unless Google and Amazon agree to remotely remove all apps at the exact same time, this means the app in question wouldn't necessarily be gone forever. This is an advantage you Android lot have over Apple's App Store.

      Except well, you gotta pay twice for the same app... I don't think there's any sort of sharing between the two.

      Funny enough, I don't think Apple actually has the ability to remotely remove apps from phones. At least, for all pulled apps, they can still be freely reinstalled on the owner's phones with no issues whatsoever in iTunes. Of course, the functionality could exist, just none of the pulled apps ever justified using it.

      The only thing Apple can do is disable apps, but only if they use CoreLocation (GPS).

      I'm not sure what Amazon would do if they pull an app - would they just remove it from your phone, or just leave it so if you don't back up, it's gone forever? (I'm not sure how I'm supposed to manage apps on my nook Color - can I redownload them? Is there a list of apps I've bought so I can redownload easily? WIthout an iTunes-like way to manage it, I can't seem to find where the list of all the apps I bought are...).

  7. Re:But why? by xlv · · Score: 2

    > to get the $.01 per transaction google currently gets.

    more like 30% unfortunately for us Android developers... OK, that's shared with the carrier but still...

  8. Re:Fragmentation by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So in addition to the hardware fragmentation, there will be store fragmentation too. Sounds great.

    Some call it "fragmentation" and some call it "competition"

    Unless you want everyone to carry exactly the same hardware, there is bound to be "fragmentation". Why don't they call it "fragmentation" when Chrysler parts don't fit on my Mazda?

    You would think that at some point, app programmers, who from what I can tell are the only ones complaining about "fragmentation" would be happy to see lots of different platforms because it means more opportunities.

    Maybe it would be easier if there were only one hardware platform for all cell phones and one hardware platform for all computers and one hardware platform for all cars. One operating system. One phone carrier. Then, life would be easy for the few hundred programmers and designers that would have jobs.

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  9. Re:Fragmentation by AuMatar · · Score: 2

    Yes, it's much better to have a single organization that can decide for me what apps I can decide to buy and sell. One that can block apps for any reason or no reason at all. All jail his Jobness

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  10. Re:But why? by larry+bagina · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Sell? Not exactly. Google doesn't make money selling/licensing an OS or selling apps, they make money selling ads. They prefer you get a free (as in ad-supported) app than a paid one. If you (as a developer or user) like that model, cool. But if not, too bad because the google app store only supports paid apps in 32 countries (that number was 14 until just a couple months ago).

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  11. Re:Fragmentation by dudpixel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    in the android world, we call it "choice".

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  12. Re:Its the 'compete' bit I dont like by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...because, lord knows, I hate the fact that I can buy the same thing at a different store for possibly a different amount of money. Life is so much easier when there's only one store and that's that.

    Just in case you're missing it, this is sarcasm.

    I don't see the problem, myself. If I prefer the Google store, I'll use the Google store. If I prefer the Amazon store, I'll use the Amazon store. You might also find features on the Amazon store (like buying an application as a gift for someone else) that don't exist in the Google store.

    Competition is a good thing.

  13. More interesting, mimics Apple app store by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The more interesting thing about this store is the terms for developers - almost the same as Apple's store.

    $99/Year (I think that's being waved for now)
    You can choose to have apps have a DRM wrapper (of Amazons design)
    Amazon gets 30% of sales

    I think potentially this could become THE app store for Android, because it will be probably about as carefully maintained as Apple's App store. No way is Amazon going to let through some things like blatant copyright infringement apps that get into the Android store today. As a result the apps to be found there should be of a generally higher level of quality.

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    1. Re:More interesting, mimics Apple app store by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You may make it sound like not having such apps available is a good thing for the end users. I'd say let the end user decide on that.

      It's not a matter of choice, it's a matter of noise. When you have a ton of apps like that in an app store it makes it hard to find "real" applications.

      There's always choice in that you can get apps from all over. What matters more is that users finally will ALSO have the choice to try shopping without as much noise in selection. That choice is more important than any other, for normal people using a phone.

      Now if you were talking about a vetting process to prevent malware from entering the store... an app should do what it says it does, no more no less. That's what it should be vetted on, and that's all it should be vetted on.

      I'm sure there's some aspect of that but it can never be fully examined, but a low-pass filter is helpful to eliminate outright malware. And again, you can go elsewhere for that. Just let real users have a choice of going somewhere they are less likely to find it.

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    2. Re:More interesting, mimics Apple app store by ducomputergeek · · Score: 3, Interesting

      My big question is what is the payout rules? Do they deposit the money in my checking account automatically? Or do you have to have a minimum sales amount before they'll cut a check?

      I write mobile apps as a hobby. I make enough from the apps that it pays for itself, but not enough to quit the day job. I've been releasing mobile apps for both Android and iOS for a little over a year now.
      I spent the start of this week actually looking at the sales data to get ready for taxes this year and I've come to the conclusion that Android users don't buy apps. iOS users do.

      I do the classic "Lite" version of my apps that are free with ads and then offer a "Full" version for either $0.99 or $1.99 with no ads and usually has a few extra features that didn't make the cut into the lite version.

      The lite version of my flagship app has about 15k iOS downloads and 22k from Google Marketplace.

      I've sold a little over 900 of the "full" versions of the app for iOS but only about 350 for Droid phones @ $1.99 in both marketplaces.

      The problem is, I spend probably 2.5x the time on the Android platform vs. iOS. working out issues between devices/OS versions. Well if you add having to submit to multiple app stores, each with their own submission rules and payout rules, and Android becomes even less and less attractive for people like me.

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    3. Re:More interesting, mimics Apple app store by mlts · · Score: 2

      Devil's advocate here: Cydia is another market for apps, but its presence is highly dependent on the work the Dev Team does in getting out a usable jailbreak. It is only a matter of time where Apple has enough resistance to JBing built into their devices that when a JB is ready to go, the device is last year's model. Even then, unless the JB uses an exploit that is a hardware based one, Apple just issues a 0.0.1 fix that patches that hole and uses the SHSH mechanism to prevent downgrading.

      I don't really count Cydia as a complete alternative to Apple's App Store. It may not be available for the iPhone 5 for a good long while. I consider Cydia awesome, but I wouldn't rely on it being available this time next year on Apple's next gen iOS devices.

  14. Re:Fragmentation by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Amazon's market would be doomed to failure if the enduser had the choice between it and Android's.

    If you ever actually saw the Android Market app in practice, you know that competing with it is trivial, because it is utter crap. It's the single most crash-prone piece of software on my Nexus One, is is dog slow even when it's working, the UI is inconvenient, and you can only make purchases on the device itself, and not from PC (where it's far more convenient to browse stuff, read reviews etc).

  15. Re:But why? by Threni · · Score: 2

    In some countries it's impossible as they're not on the market yet. Also, Google takes a cut - Amazon could take a smaller cut. And, as has been pointed out, Amazon can market apps. A lot of developers are currently complaining that best-selling apps appear high up the lists and sell even more, whereas newer stuff is way down the list and only get seen by really bored people with a lot of time on their hands.

  16. Re:But why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How does this Balkanize the Android platform? Just because there's an Amazon store doesn't mean you wouldn't be able to still use Google's store. What makes you think Amazon would try to make an Amazon-only phone? Nobody would go for that, there's too many competing Android phones already.

    Amazon just realizes that Google is making easy money on a weak app store, and since Android is open, they can easily try to compete. Google will have to up their game if they want to stay in the game.

  17. Re:But why? by mlingojones · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Stop talking.

    In this comment in a different thread (http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1936596&cid=34765090, relevant portion reproduced below) you complain about the Mac App Store with regard to it being a "monopoly store."

    In fact there is a regression here as now we have a monopoly store as opposed to all sorts of vendors fighting it out using all sorts of sales channels. Apple, Inc now dictates prices, margins, selections, censorship, etc.

    However, in the comment to which I'm replying (relevant portion reproduced below) you complain about the Amazon App Store with regard to fragmentation and lock-in.

    These stupid stores will lead to lock-in and fragmentation.

    First, there's no indication that this could lead to lock-in. Amazon has not expressed any interest in pursuing exclusivity deals with carriers/device makers.

    Second, what the hell! If there's only one store it's a monopoly, but if there are more than one the platform is fragmented? You can't have it both ways!

  18. Re:What jobs? Without competition there no incenti by alexhard · · Score: 3, Informative

    There were NO APPS!

    I guess you've never heard of Symbian, then.

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  19. Not all Android devices have Market by tepples · · Score: 2

    It's easy enough to share/sell an application on Google's Android App store...

    Not if you're targeting Wi-Fi tablets and media players that run Android. For example, Archos 43 is supposed to be the Android counterpart to the iPod touch but doesn't have Android Market because it lacks 3G data, which as I understand it would have doubled the price of the device. (Compare the $250 Archos 43 to a $500 unlocked phone.) Is Amazon Appstore expected to work on these?

  20. Symbian isn't big in the States by tepples · · Score: 2

    I guess you've never heard of Symbian, then.

    Most cell phone customers in the United States have likewise never heard of Symbian. In this market, "smartphone" means BlackBerry, iPhone, or Android. Nokia has far less market share here than in the European Union market, and "Symbian" is confused with a sex toy.

    1. Re:Symbian isn't big in the States by BasilBrush · · Score: 2

      The Rest Of the World is an awful lot bigger than the States.

  21. Re:But why? by dragonhunter21 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    But now there's competition. That's the silver lining I see here.

    Of course, that doesn't solidify anything- the whole plan could fall apart out of the starting gate, but it could be nice.

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  22. I'm a developer, and I won't support this by Jimmy_B · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm an Android app developer, and under the terms Amazon's currently offering, there's no way in hell I'll put my app there. There are three very serious problems with it. First, Amazon controls the pricing, not the developer - they can use your app as a loss leader. Second, they require that you give them your app and each update 14 days before you publish it anywhere else (such as on the Android Market) for their review process. That means no emergency fixes, and delayed releases, even if you're mainly publishing on the Android Market and want to put it on Amazon too. And third, it's competing with Android Market, which is preinstalled everywhere, with no users. It would be one thing if they offered more than Android Market's 70% take, but there're simply no advantages to it whatsoever.

    Maybe they'll change their terms, and I'll reconsider. But the terms they're offering now are simply a bad deal for developers, and I doubt many will bite.

    1. Re:I'm a developer, and I won't support this by mlts · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Bingo. One of the reasons I love Android and Google's Marketplace is that some apps have a VERY fast development cycle. I have seen features requested for an app in the feedback at 1:30 PM, and an update with that feature in the app by the developer at 4:30 PM the same day. Same with bugs, someone mentions them, they get stomped by fast reacting developers in hours.

      Contrast this to the iOS model where an app developer had an issue with some saved game files, uploaded an update so people can actually save their work, and it took almost 1-2 weeks for the update to appear on iTunes. This was before iTunes Connect was down for the holidays [1].

      This isn't to say Amazon's model is bad. I just fear that instead of being able to choose between Google versus Amazon that the choice will be foisted upon us by whomever gives the cellular carriers a sweeter deal. Both stores have advantages and shortcomings, and having a choice is important. However, if I end up having to choose between Amazon's model versus Google's, I'd choose Google's just because it is a more open way of publishing and allows developers to get stuff fixed and added very quickly.

      [1]: It is understandable Apple turned off iTunes Connect during the Christmas/New Years rush.

  23. Re:Fragmentation by AuMatar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I write phone apps for a living. We'd love to exist on iPhone- but apple won't let us because we replace some of their functionality with better versions. They don't like that.

    As for 70+M phones- Android is pretty damn close (hell, my company's app is on 20M+) its marketshare is growing, it sells more per month than iOS already, and it's branching into tablets and music players. Add that on to the fact you don't have the risk of Apple deciding to pull the rug out from under you and you'd be a fool to bet on iphone over android. You may decide to target both, but if you pick one Android is the easy decision.

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