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Scientists Find Tears Are the Anti-Viagra

An anonymous reader writes "The male test subjects didn't know what they were smelling, they were just given little vials of clear liquid and told to sniff. But when those vials contained a woman's tears (collected while she watched a sad movie), the men rated pictures of women's faces as less sexually attractive, and their saliva contained less testosterone. Is this proof that humans make and respond to pheromones? The researcher behind the study doesn't use that controversial word, but he says his findings do prove that tears contain meaningful chemical messages."

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  1. Tell it to the Japanese by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    90% of their porn involves women crying.

    1. Re:Tell it to the Japanese by jandrese · · Score: 2

      Somehow I don't think they get the pheromones on the DVDs though.

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  2. Personally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    I can only get it up if she's crying.

    1. Re:Personally... by couchslug · · Score: 2

      There is a whole genre of such pr0n, so what deters some clearly arouses others.

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    2. Re:Personally... by RDW · · Score: 2

      At least one other study, conducted on a Mr JT Kirk of Iowa, has reported results consistent with your experience:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elaan_of_Troyius

  3. The level of discourse by uid7306m · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Geez, guys. Mental age should be at least 16, mental altitude should be at least a foot above the gutter.

    1. Re:The level of discourse by syousef · · Score: 2

      Geez, guys. Mental age should be at least 16, mental altitude should be at least a foot above the gutter.

      Why? Being old sucks. And the gutter is nice and warm. ;-)

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  4. So how do we explain make-up sex? by rsborg · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I remember lots of tears and well, it still happened every time.

    Perhaps not all generated tears are the same (maybe this explains why guys avoid chick flicks?)

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    1. Re:So how do we explain make-up sex? by ShooterNeo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because the man doesn't usually control when a sexual encounter happens, the woman does. Make up sex is when the woman is either trying to induce you to stay in the relationship or is turned on because of how you responded to the argument.

  5. Re:Pheremones? by Quasar1999 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Are you mad??? Asking people on slashdot to shower even less???

    Pheremones don't have a noticable scent/odor... someone not showering AND failing to apply deodorant is gonna smell pretty awful, especially if it's for days.

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  6. Rapists. by queazocotal · · Score: 5, Interesting

    An interesting test would be to do a similar study on violent rapists.
    (excluding those in pre-existing relationships with the victim).
    Are they less affected, or even aroused, by the same signals?

    1. Re:Rapists. by jamesh · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Maybe that's the secret. Rapists have nasal congestion problems!

      I wonder how much of it is learned too... sure our brains can 'smell' tears, but the response could still be a result of conditioning rather than anything hardwired.

    2. Re:Rapists. by khallow · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The motivation behind rape usually is not sexual in nature; it's about power.

      Seriously, what does that even mean? My view is that sex and power (for either sex) aren't something you can easily split up.

      The confusion gets even worse when all coercive sex is categorized as rape. A boyfriend or husband whining that they aren't getting enough sex is not what I view as an exercise of power.

      OTOH, why do people pursue power over others? I think that urge is closely related to sex. This leads not only to rape, but also males in leadership roles maintaining lovers (of either sex) on the side and on the female side a strong pursuit of powerful males. It also explains how some people can enjoy killing other people.

      Anyway, as a result, I don't support the claim that rape is about power not sex, because I don't think the two behaviors/goals are separable (especially given that the rapist is having forced sex with the victim, that doesn't seem an "either/or" choice to me). There also seems to me to be plenty of evidence that sex and power-seeking behaviors are commonly intertwined in many human activities.

    3. Re:Rapists. by catmistake · · Score: 3, Informative

      Rape is not a crime of passion and desire. It is a crime of violence. Rape is about (that illusion known as) control. You can't stop a rapist by "turning them off" sexually. There's more than one way to stop a rapist, of course, but I recommend vigorously and repeatedly applying a baseball bat to either head.

  7. What? by santax · · Score: 5, Funny

    Man, I love it when they cry. All 7 of em. You know. Here in my basement. Brb, moms calling.

  8. Anyone who has ever dated a manipulative crier by Lord+Kano · · Score: 4, Interesting

    should already know this. A woman who cries to win an argument, then you lose all interest in romance, then she cries because you don't want to touch her, then you are even less interested. It's a vicious cycle that ends up in either broken or sexless relationships. I know.

    LK

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    1. Re:Anyone who has ever dated a manipulative crier by jamesh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      all relationships end up sexless!!

      Yes, because we all die in the end. If it happens sooner then you're doing it wrong.

    2. Re:Anyone who has ever dated a manipulative crier by Lord+Kano · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If the goal of the manipulation is to avoid sex. If women want sex (note to Slashdotters: they do) the crying thing would be negative feedback and would be conditioned out of their behavior.

      Only if they want sex more than they want to win arguments.

      LK

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    3. Re:Anyone who has ever dated a manipulative crier by SpecBear · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes, because we all die in the end. If it happens sooner then you're doing it wrong.

      And if it happens later, then you're doing it even wronger.

    4. Re:Anyone who has ever dated a manipulative crier by zaaj · · Score: 2

      Shouldn't that be: "If it happens sooner then you're not doing it, right?"

  9. Re:Pheremones? by Bobakitoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Pheremones from other species dont have noticeable scent to you. You are not rigged to recognize and response to them. To each species, their pheromones has a distincive smell that provoke a specific emotional impuse to act in some way. eg: It smell attractive.

    Deodorant are not natural and are merely masking the human odor. If you think natural odor smell awful, it is only because you are not use to it. Just like puritain are scandalized over the sight of a naked body. Hygiene is important, and restraining too strong odor is also important, but demanding that everyone has the same standardized "aqua fresh" scent is wrong.

  10. Meaningless. by Seumas · · Score: 4, Funny

    This has nothing to do with whether a woman crying is a turn-off (yes, white-knights, we all know crying girls make you so so so so sad). This has to do with a vial of tear-juice impacting your judgement in how attractive women are. I guess this will be completely relevant when women start literally crying buckets. Until then, when do you actually come in contact with enough tears at one time that it could possibly effect you? I'm sure a vial full of ear-wax shoved right under my nose would repulse me, too, and the last thing I'd be thinking about is sex.

    1. Re:Meaningless. by misexistentialist · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Which is a pretty useless hypothesis to prove since crying women look repulsive. I think the study misses the point and that the scent is supposed to help trigger the nurturing response of fathers.

  11. Seriously by MrQuacker · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Do some actual science. Toss some tears into a gas chromatography analyzer and see whats in them.

    If something is there concentrate or synthesize it and test it one by one.

    1. Re:Seriously by ebonum · · Score: 2

      Winning recipe!
      If you planted an air freshener loaded with this stuff ( see above post - you need to figure out how to synthesize it ) in an NFL team's locker room, think of the competitive advantage!

      If you work for JP Morgan, you would want to load up the Goldman trading floor with this stuff. Take the testosterone out and they will suffer.

    2. Re:Seriously by Kilrah_il · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You mean, you want to analyze each chemical in the tears (or at least each one that is in an abnormal concentration in sad women's tears) to see if it does, what? Oh, I know, to see if it makes men less horny. But how did you know it should make them less horny? By doing a research such as the one in TFA.
      Science has many steps and levels of research. Usually you start by researching a general phenomenon and deriving a basic idea of "what the heck is happening" (i.e. sad women's tears cause men to be less sexually aroused). After that you go into smaller details and try to find what is causing said phenomenon (i.e. chemical X and/or Y cause men to be less sexually aroused). And the last step is using the sum of all the small details to make a theory that can be put to practical use (e.g. let's make product MakeWomenSafe(TM) to chemically castrate too-sexually violent men).
      Not always do we have all of those steps, but it's hard to start at the gas chromatography stage before finishing the first, general step - which is also actual science.

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  12. Re:Because by mug+funky · · Score: 3, Interesting

    an ex of mine had bipolar, and would often have an attack of intense depression during the night.

    if you've ever woken up at 4am to a crying girl trying to hump you, you may find evidence to the contrary of TFA.

  13. I can't believe I'm saying this, but . . . by wrencherd · · Score: 2

    I'm sure a vial full of ear-wax shoved right under my nose would repulse me, too, and the last thing I'd be thinking about is sex.

    . . . I think that's a valid point for a different reason; I think it's pretty well-settled that a person likes-, and is not offended, by the smells of their lover(-s).

    If that's true then perhaps these guys were not turned on b/c they did not "recognize" the smell and they interpreted the tears as just stinky fluid.

  14. Re:(collected while she watched a sad movie) by Fluffeh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Unless I have gone funny, I think that nature has pulled a swift one here that no-one has picked up... Here's how:

    Males found women less attractive when in contact with the tears - not even knowing what they were.
    Therefore, something in the tears makes males less likely to see an attractive woman. It doesn't say that it makes the woman crying the ONLY one less attractive.
    Therefore, perhaps it is a mechanism developed by nature to stop males just finding a "hottie" so to speak while another woman was crying and instead focus as a group on what was making the woman cry?
    Problem is fixed, woman stops crying and the males then pair off with the females and further the species once more?

    hmmmm, this is /. and I seem to have missed a 4) PROFIT!!!! in there, but meh.

    *sips coffee*

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  15. Re:Pheremones? by EdIII · · Score: 4, Funny

    (assuming you leave your parent's basement on a regular basis)

    But it's scary up there. Full of judgment, people that expect you to pay for things yourself, and an alarming shortage of freely available Hot Pockets.

  16. Women get the short end of the stick by justinlee37 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Throughout most of human history, the man has been the gatekeeper to sexual activity, not the woman. In fact, it was only until very recently that a man could be legally prosecuted for raping his wife.

    In the United States, South Dakota was the first state to criminalize "spousal rape." This did not happen until 1975. The last state to criminalize "spousal rape" was 1993.

    In even earlier (bust still recent) history, say prior to the 1900's, women were not allowed to vote or own property in a marriage, and they were usually not able to live on their own due to the fact that few people would hire them for any job, and without anti-discrimination laws in place employers were free to systematically deny women employment, or even to pay them a lower wage just because they were female.

    In the Middle Ages in Europe, and still today in many cultures around the world, marriages are arranged by the parents and children, especially daughters, may have little say in when they get married or to whom. Combine that with a society in which a woman can't have a political voice, can't refuse to have sex with her husband, can't divorce him, and may be legally beaten by her husband, and you'll find that historically, women have had VERY little say in when a sexual encounter happens, or even with whom it happens with.

    Things have began to change recently, which is good, but 1316311 makes an excellent point. It would be a shame if you missed the point, which is why I took the time to compose this message and provide at least one reference. "Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it," blah blah blah, and all that rubbish.

    1. Re:Women get the short end of the stick by Capt.+Skinny · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're talking about marriage. ShooterNeo was likely referring to a dating relationship, when the woman often has the upper hand. Man pursues woman, man must conciliate woman.

    2. Re:Women get the short end of the stick by Ihmhi · · Score: 3, Funny

      Throughout most of human history, the man has been the gatekeeper to sexual activity, not the woman.

      Having the man be the gatekeeper to sexual activity is about as good an idea as having the woman be the gatekeeper for the credit cards.

    3. Re:Women get the short end of the stick by inviolet · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In even earlier (bust still recent) history, say prior to the 1900's, women were not allowed to vote or own property in a marriage, and they were usually not able to live on their own due to the fact that few people would hire them for any job, and without anti-discrimination laws in place employers were free to systematically deny women employment, or even to pay them a lower wage just because they were female.

      You had me until the "lower wage for the same work" rant.

      If that rant was true, why would anyone hire a male? If females have the same productivity, yet 25-50% less labor cost... greedy money-grubbing capitalists will eschew males, not females. And since labor costs are such a large part of total costs, a 25% savings in labor can triple the profit margin... and so greedy money-grubbing shareholders will get into the act too.

      Except that isn't happening. Hmmm. Must be a giant worldwide conspiracy to drastically cut profit margins. Yeah, that's it.

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  17. Re:Pheremones? by angus77 · · Score: 2

    Masking covers up the problem, but the problem's still there underneath. Killing is....killing.

  18. Re:Because by Hylandr · · Score: 2

    Whats wrong with twenty-eight year olds?

    There's twenty of them...

    And the lap dance is so much better when the stripper is cryin, Etc.

    - Dan.

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  19. Re:Because by mug+funky · · Score: 2, Insightful

    careful what you wish for... wifey has a baby due in june.

  20. Proven? I don't think so. by twocows · · Score: 2

    He doesn't use the controversial word "pheromones" but he still uses the controversial word "proven." Establishing a link doesn't prove anything, it merely establishes a link.
    I am not a statistician, though; maybe this case is different. I'm still skeptical, however.

  21. There is a reason for vaginal odor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    has to do with an environment that is especially conducive to strains of bacteria that produce smelly (sulfur?) compounds.

    My ex-wife traded her friend for all his sex books. One of them was titled Guide to getting it on. I flipped it open to a random page one day, and one aspect of the vaginal odor quandary was revealed to me: soap.

    Most soaps are very basic, while a few are "pH balanced" to be slightly acidic. When a alkaline-pH soap is used, smelly bacteria thrive (because the skin is supposed to be slightly acidic). When a pH-balanced (slightly acidic) soap is used, the bacteria are much more balanced.

    There are more considerations, of course. But this is a good start. If I wasn't posting anonymous so I can moderate myself, I'd post a link to my e-book.... :)