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Cell Phone Industry's Six Biggest Failed Schemes

adeelarshad82 writes "The tech world is for dreamers, schemers, and sometimes, scammers. Which is why it's no surprise that the cell phone industry isn't any different. In wake of the recent news about the Israeli mobile-phone firm Modu shutting its doors, mobile analyst Sascha Segan revisits six major failures in the cell phone industry, from using phones to create a peer-to-peer that would eliminate the need for wireless carriers to a company with a $225,000 phone."

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  1. Is it really too much to ask by choongiri · · Score: 5, Informative

    Is it really too much to ask the /. editors to quickly look around the page for the crud-free one-page "print" version link and post that for us all instead...

    http://www.pcmag.com/print_article2/0,1217,a=259387,00.asp?hidPrint=true

    1. Re:Is it really too much to ask by icebraining · · Score: 2

      Meh, in this kind of article the images are nice to have.

    2. Re:Is it really too much to ask by choongiri · · Score: 5, Informative

      The *only* reason is to increase page views, and thus ad impressions.

    3. Re:Is it really too much to ask by Pinckney · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'd really rather if they not do that. If it becomes standard to link to the print version of articles, sites will just remove the print option entirely. As it is, we, who care, get to enjoy these articles in a relatively clean form for minimal work, and the people who don't care effectively subsidise us (thanks!) with their ad impressions.

    4. Re:Is it really too much to ask by _KiTA_ · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Is it really too much to ask the /. editors to quickly look around the page for the crud-free one-page "print" version link and post that for us all instead...

      http://www.pcmag.com/print_article2/0,1217,a=259387,00.asp?hidPrint=true

      So you'd like Slashdot to intentionally screw PCMag out of ad revenue for the (not insignificant) amount of traffic /. brings to their website, making it likely that PCMag's web gurus will block such outside linking to the print version, disable the print version outright, put themselves behind a pay filter, or go out of business (something that plug-ins like AdBlock are already working on doing)?

      Yes, no one likes ads. But to quote the snob -- "websites is expensive".

    5. Re:Is it really too much to ask by cgenman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Then have three times the ads on one page. Breaking across three pages is as much of a pain to read as those old credit-card sized pocket books were in the 90's.

    6. Re:Is it really too much to ask by Culture20 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What's the point of breaking articles up on multiple pages anyway? Simply more ads? Slightly less bandwidth for people who only read the first part? To accomodate some browser that for some reason doesn't have scroll buttons? Pagan ritual of some type?

      To figure out what percentage of people are interested in more than the title and summary paragraph.

  2. 6 failed...but so many tricks that work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For one thing, the outrageous charges for text messages. Or making sure that every aspect of you using your phone gets the last little second out of you so that it takes away from your total minutes. Or not having phones that function as answering machines simultaneously as voice mail....the list goes on. They are really taking consumers for a ride.

    1. Re:6 failed...but so many tricks that work by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      And paying for text messages - I thought that stopped ca 10 years ago!

      Which only goes to show how out of touch you are, and how your attempts to be clever only reveal you as arrogant. You don't pay for text, so nobody does?

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  3. Whizbang cell phone market is saturated by Dachannien · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What it really comes down to is that most of the good ideas in cell phones (a) have been done already or (b) are waiting for technologies in other areas to advance first. All those other not-so-good ideas have extremely limited appeal to the masses. Yet people and smaller companies continue their attempts to "innovate" in this marketplace, primarily because there appears at first glance to be such a huge amount of cash sloshing around in the cell phone arena. As it turns out, though, that money is pretty much locked up by the major players, so your Popeil-esque Great Idea But On A Cell Phone This Time is going nowhere.

    1. Re:Whizbang cell phone market is saturated by Dachannien · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Reading comprehension FTW. I said that the good ideas were either already done or were waiting on technology in other areas to be developed first, which means you can't invent them yet. Someone will invent them eventually, but it won't be you.

    2. Re:Whizbang cell phone market is saturated by Ihmhi · · Score: 2

      I've always said to my friends that cell phones as a business and technology aren't really worth being used seriously until you can get worldwide unlimited everything (sans data) for $50/month. It's ridiculous that you have to pay $0.10 a minute or something to telephone granny in Scotland. We should be way past this point now, but greed and little reason for expansion has greatly slowed this down.

      Maybe one day satphones will be cheap enough (service wise) that they're a viable option. It'd be awesome to see the cell companies get hit from behind like that.

    3. Re:Whizbang cell phone market is saturated by cgenman · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Cell companies are probably going to get hit by data-anywhere aggregators + VOIP plans. I loved how you could drag a Vontage phone to any country in the world, and make VOIP calls as if you were local to your city, Oklahoma.

      They'll get hit, but from in front. Just like landline phone companies have been marginalized by cellphone companies, cell companies are about to marginalized by wireless data companies.

    4. Re:Whizbang cell phone market is saturated by Neil+Boekend · · Score: 2

      I keep wondering why someone with, for example, Vodafone UK has to pay roaming charges when calling on the Vodafone NL network. They're the same fucking company! The call itself is routed through voip for cost reasons anyway, so the cost difference can be minimised.

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  4. 10c text messages by CrazyJim1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You'd think when they charge you 10c per text message, that'd be something people reject. Especially when any random stranger can send you spam which you have to pay for.

    1. Re:10c text messages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm always amazed to hear you have to pay to receive messages in some parts of the world (America?)

    2. Re:10c text messages by flatt · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You'd think when they charge you 10c per text message, that'd be something people reject. Especially when any random stranger can send you spam which you have to pay for.

      I believe the ridiculous rates for texting are proof that there is collusion in this market. Something with such little overhead (essentially none) should not be able to sustain such a high cost if there is adequate competition. I think people would reject it, if they had a choice.

    3. Re:10c text messages by dafing · · Score: 2

      You're quite right, surely the US has the worst communications tech in the developed world?

      I bought my first, Original iPhone (not sold in New Zealand) Jailbroken, for about 600 USD in full. I ran it on prepay, since I rarely use my phones for calls and txt messages, it would cost me....5-15 dollars a month New Zealand, lets say 10 US a month.

      My iPhone 4, bought here was just under 1000 USD, it is mine, I own it. Like basically all iPhones around the world, as in outside the USA, it runs on any GSM network, "unlocked", it tethers, any bloody thing I want, and again, still costs me about 10 US a month in charges, mostly 3G data now, which I buy in 50MB segments, about 4 USD for 50MB. Damn expensive compared to home internet, but I want to help our third, new small Carrier out, against the Telecom NZ/Vodafone NZ duopoly.

      Voda are the "official launch carrier" in NZ, I bought my iPhone 4 from Apple, it took FOUR WEEKS to get here on launch shipping, now they are overnight delivery I believe. Vodafone wanted me to buy one on a two year contract, FRIG THAT! I waited, and picked up a 2 Degrees Micro Sim from a neighbourhood electronics chain.... only the iPad and iPhone 4 used it, NEITHER were out in NZ at the time (!), but they were EARLY for demand. Imagine that, an upstart company that really bends over backwards to help get new customers!

      If I didnt want to help out 2 Degrees, I can flick the SIM out, throw it in the trash, and throw in a new one. BOOM.

      This is how shit is MEANT to work, its Twenty Ten forgodsake!

      The more I hear about the US situation, the more pity I have for my US friends.

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    4. Re:10c text messages by jeff4747 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Text messages aren't sent over the data channel.

      Oversimplified version: Text messages are embedded in normal GSM packets. Most of these packets are essentially "are you there" messages and are sent frequently between the device and the tower. "Are you there" doesn't fill an entire packet. So cell phone companies came up with SMS to fill the rest of the packet. SMS is essentially free for the cellular providers to handle because it's using part of the timeslice that would otherwise go to waste.

      So you won't need to worry about wireless bandwidth costs. If the device can attach to a cell tower, it's got all the bandwidth it needs for SMS.

    5. Re:10c text messages by kyz · · Score: 2

      Sorry, the oversimplified version is confusing and misleading.

      Text messages aren't sent as an extension to messages that would've been sent anyway. They're sent in contention with very important messages like "you have someone calling you", and if not carefully managed can overwhelm the capacity of the cell tower.

      A cell tower's connection to the hard-wired telephone network has one "control channel" and multiple data/voice channels.

      SMSes go on this control channel.

      This one control channel is shared by everybody in the same cell as you. It carries important messages like "there's a phone call from +1234567890 incoming" or "user +1111111111 wants to call +1234567890".

      The control channel has 64kbit/s of bandwidth available and has promises to deliver messages without delay and in order. It's an expensive way to send data compared to internet data routers (which don't promise to deliver anything or in any order).

      So sure, back when signalling channels were mostly empty, people thought "why not put text messages on them". They now rue their decision and text messages' massive popularity overwhelms a signalling channel not really designed for them.

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    6. Re:10c text messages by realityimpaired · · Score: 2

      They do it in Canada, too. $0.15 per incoming text, with most carriers. You pay extra to add text packages.

      It's not *quite* as bad as that, though... most voicemail/call display packages include a small number of text messages. 100/month is more than enough texts to cover accidental texts, and messages from people who don't realize you pay for texts. Upgrading from the entry-level plan to the next step up gets you 1000 texts/month, which is more than enough for most users. Additionally, most non-entry level plans will get you included texts as well.

      With some carriers, about $50-$75/mo will get you unlimited north american long distance with unlimited data. With the big providers, that'll cost you about $125/mo at a minimum (unless you threaten to cancel... Rogers lowered my bill to $75/mo when I threatened to go to Wind... :P that gets me 400 anytime minutes, unlimited evenings/weekends from 6pm-7am, 500mb data, unlimited north american LD, texting, call display, call waiting, voicemail, etc., and better coverage than I'd get with the smaller players... important, because I live in the sticks.)

      Mobile service is still disgustingly overpriced in NA when you compare it to what's available in Europe and Asia, but from what I understand, it's much worse in the USA. :(

    7. Re:10c text messages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      True and not true. Yes, this is how GSM SMS works. Then the carriers noted they made tens of millions in revenue on SMS, which obviously lead to concerns on the sustained growth of this business. So, by the time GPRS was designed, SMS no longer was an afterthought but a prime source of revenue. And starting from the GRPS standards, SMS can be sent via the data channel too. And there it does compete with other packet-based services such as IP. That's not free, obviously, but the SMS prices could be in line with the IP prices and still remain profitable.

  5. Iridium by Z8 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They missed one of the biggest failures of all, Motorola's attempt to build a global satellite-based network. It cost the company over $5 billion USD. Some more details here.

    1. Re:Iridium by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Iridium was a total clusterfuck for Motorola, who basically ended up paying many of the capital costs and then having to write off the whole thing.

      On the other hand, the (definitely in no way whatsoever US clandestine services connected, just like everybody else in McLean, Virginia...) group of private investors who snapped up a fully functional constellation for $25 million have been doing just fine with it.

      The moral of the story seems to be that there is absolutely no way that satellite phones can(in the face of cheap terrestrial calls) justify their startup costs; but if some sucker eats those for you in bankruptcy, it is a perfectly viable business....

    2. Re:Iridium by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Iridium was one of those projects that was a good idea in the beginning; however, by the time it came to launching it, nobody at the top had noticed that circumstances had changed. The idea was begun way back in the 1970s when a vacationing Motorola engineer wanted to make a call from the beach in the Caribbean. The thought occurred to him that he could use satellites to do it. The technology wasn't really ready but over the next few decades, Motorola worked on it in tandem with other technologies.

      By the time, the technology was ready, Motorola had worked hard on getting the necessary logistics of launching a satellite network. However, since the original idea, cellular phones were beginning to partially fulfill the need for communications. Now a cell phone can't go everywhere like the sat phone was intended, but it can be used in places most people will be, like in cities. In its estimation, Motorola (whose products helped launched the cell phone industry) badly miscalculated the numbers of customers that would have need for a sat phone compared to a cell phone. I think one place that they expected higher demand was Africa. However, in Africa, cell phones actually outnumber landlines because they are in fact cheaper than landlines to operate and build. The local populations buy mostly prepaid phones but only in the remotest parts would they need a sat phone. However, few can afford the nearly $1000 USD just for the phone itself.

      The problem wasn't that someone at the top should have recognized the situation had changed and that spending a few billion dollars or so when there were going to be few customers was foolhardy. I think part of it was that Motorola didn't know when to cut losses but went ahead anyway.

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    3. Re:Iridium by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I was a Motorola engineer for 10 years (and a consultant for things related to them and Freescale ever since) and got to enjoy some involvement in Iridium. Hopefully I am remembering this ancient history correctly.

      It did not cost Motorola $5B USD. One of the things the Wikipedia article leaves out was all the foreign investment involved (Saudi Arabia had almost as much money invested into Iridium, IIR the Powerpoint presentation correctly) leaving Motorola's contribution/investment at about $400K USD with a total exposure of probably $1B, but they got most (if not all) of that back by paying themselves the other investors money for the design work. No-lose contracts are a nice way to do business if you can get someone to sign from the other side. The .pdf you linked to has some good historical information, but also some glaring errors which I am not in the mood to fisk.

      That said, Iridium SSC was a SNAFU from the start, as anyone looking at the map of world wide cellular coverage in 1997/98 should have been able to see. Since there are no records of the skepticism I put forth much earlier than that, I won't bring it up further. Of course, Motorola in 1994 still thought that analog cellular was the only way forward and was in the process of completely mismanaging the conversion to digital, so it isn't that surprising that the higher up execs missed it. The phoenix that arose from the ashes to enable the South Pole to get 28.8 kbaud and US DOD operators to be able to phone home without having to lug around 3-4 kg of satellite equipment is something I applaud the US bankruptcy laws for. Stupid money and big dreams can have good endings for someone. I will forever wonder how the US automotive industry would have fared if those same laws had not been interfered with.

      I was invited to sit in on one of the early presentations right when they made the decision to reduce from 77 satellites to 66. The presenter's manager didn't much care for my smart ass suggestion they rename the project Dysprosium (I doubt he ever had the geek cred to read /., but if he is reading this- HI!). I was also the guy who previously explained to them why the PowerPC 603 was a horrible CPU to use for a satellite and the guy who helped them redesign around the PPC604 after the managers woke up to just how important it is to have at least SOME level of cache checksums in hardware (a pretty reasonable requirement for anything floating around the earth, and which was why my coworkers and I were invited to the presentation). But it was a great joy to spend time at their design facilities right next to a dairy farm south of Phoenix. Fragrant.

    4. Re:Iridium by nohear_t · · Score: 2

      Iridium hardware was big and bulky to say the least.  However, looking past it's failure Motorola did one thing that many people over look.  They managed to stick to a schedule and launch satellites into orbit across multiple launch sites in different countries using three companies.  They launched 66 satellites (plus 6 spares) in over 12 months which is VERY impressive with a 15/15 launch success rate.  Motorola proved it was possible to launch that many satellites and hit their targets at less than $5 million per unit built every 5 days. Motorola had it down to an art.  The fees to use it were outrageous and the primary clients at the time seemed to be military and the few who had really deep pockets.  The way the satellites communicated to each other was a ingenious design too, using special arrays to maintain links with its closest neighbors.  The network as a whole was impressive.  It's demise was the price.

    5. Re:Iridium by BetterSense · · Score: 2

      This sounds similar to Kodak's failure to understand how quickly and universally digital imaging would catch on. In the late 20th century they were consolidating their production lines and coming up with ever-smaller film formats because they imagined that the market for film would explode in the developing world countries. They couldn't imagine that digital cameras would become cheap (or free, with cellphone) and that everyone would have a PC to take advantage of digital images. Thus Kodak completely missed the boat on digital cameras, being swamped by Asian invasion, and their film manufacturing business, instead of becoming more scalable and more flexible, became the opposite--geared toward massive production for demand that is no longer there.

  6. Re:P2P phone not a bad idea by commlinx · · Score: 2

    Main problem I'd see with this from a practical point of view is reduced battery life. If your phone was spending a good deal of time acting as a repeater the standby time would be similar to current talk times.

  7. What about... by scumfuker · · Score: 2

    Microsoft's Kin?

    1. Re:What about... by BatGnat · · Score: 2

      Or Windows Phone 7 ....?

  8. So why isn't Kin part of the list? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Reportedly MS has spent about a billion dollars on the Kin only to kill it after very poor sales. Part of the costs was the Danger acquisition (reportedly about $500 million), the engineering and R&D for 2 years. Then the marketing and launch costs. Numbers vary on actual sales but the highest estimate was about 10,000 units sold. In my book, that spells FAIL.

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    1. Re:So why isn't Kin part of the list? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not that Wikipedia is a citable source, but according to that and the Microsoft press releases that they note, the KIN was a prototype for the Windows Phone 7 interface, and the team working on KIN is now part of Windows Phone 7. This would imply that the KIN was not "killed," but merely "repurposed."

      We wouldn't say that Debian was "killed" by the release of Ubuntu either. It was "repurposed," into a general operating system for non-expert users. But the original remains. And they're still both based on free software philosophies, although perhaps slightly different.

    2. Re:So why isn't Kin part of the list? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 3, Insightful
      From mini-microsoft, one of the reasons that the Kin failed was politicol.

      Now there is spin that Andy killed kin to put all the wood behind Windows Phone 7. Er, the guy was in charge for two years of Kin development. He could have made this decision far earlier.

      Similarly Windows Phone 7 has two years of development under his watch. Based on his past performance, 99% chance this is also going to be a total catastrophe. It further doesn't help that much of the Windows Phone 7 leadership team was kicked out of Windows when they screwed up Vista.

      It sounds to me that Kin and Windows Phone 7 were completely separate products from different groups.

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    3. Re:So why isn't Kin part of the list? by antifoidulus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And yet Microsoft investors STILL haven't revolted and threw Balmer out. I just don't get it. The man has shown he lacks both technical vision AND managerial skill. From everything I have seen and from what ex Redmonders have said, Microsoft still seems to think it's the 1990s, ie the managers think that the only competition they face comes from within Microsoft. Thus they constantly bicker among themselves and Microsoft ends up with an inconsistent, often incoherent line of products.

      The phones are obviously the biggest example, at one point Microsoft was developing 3...THREE...different competing and incompatible phone operating systems. You saw it a couple of years back with the music DRM fiasco, Microsoft managed to develop and release 2 different DRM formats that weren't compatible with each other. You can even see the political infighting within single products. The windows UI is an incoherent mess. Every single interface seems like it was designed by a different person and instead of someone actually taking charge and making decisions they just threw everything together and called it an interface. You can even see this with Windows phone 7, it's obvious that different groups had different ideas on how the phone should be programmed and how what capabilities/interfaces should be exposed. And since none of the managers wanted to "submit' to any other manager, you end up with an incoherent mess. The whole reason we ostensibly pay CEOs ridiculous amounts of cash is that they are ostensibly supposed to be the one who steps up in these situations and forces everyone to play nice. It seems that Ballmer is either unable or unwilling to do this and Microsoft just keeps on going down the shitter. In the current recovery Microsoft seems to be one of the very few large US tech firms that has actually lost market cap, a lot of it. Ballmer is a talentless hack whose only "ability" was that he happened to land in the right place at the right time. Again, why share holders aren't calling for the man's head is beyond me. His only "talent" seems to be a penchant for stupid pranks, but guess what I can go down to any frat house in the country and find someone that is better than Ballmer at stupid pranks and pay them 1% of Ballmer's salary and they would be damn happy to get it.

  9. Re:P2P phone not a bad idea by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    P2P would(barring some very clever design or a focus more or less exclusively on walkie-talkie use cases) likely be a poor candidate for cell phone use(lousy latency, uncertain availability, battery life of nodes...) P2P works pretty well for cheap transfers of big files; but somewhat less well for low-bandwidth, but latency sensitive, stuff.

    The system that I would like to see would be a radically free market(and thus, likely never to be seen in the cellular arena) system of phones that electronically bid for resources in real time, from carriers within range who dynamically compete for customers in real time.

    Consider a basic example: I have a cellphone with a GSM module that can see two or three carriers' towers, and a wifi module that can detect a number of access points. I open my address book, or start typing in a number. Detecting that I am going to be making a call, my phone checks the rate information being broadcast from the wireless links visible to it: it then silently routes the call out through whichever offers the lowest rate. In order to prevent surprises, the user could, of course, set "absolute ceiling", "manual verify", and "warn but continue" price thresholds within their phone's bidding engine. Towers, for their part, could dynamically adjust prices, down to the operator's set floor, in order to keep themselves busy but not over-saturated.

    Data would be handled in a similar manner: cell towers and wifi access points could broadcast their willingness to provide, and rate(at home, of course, your router would treat you as a special case of free access, to ensure that you always used the bandwidth you had already paid for, and applications requiring data could choose based on price.

    Since most people would not want to trouble themselves with the details, phones would, ideally, ship with some sensible defaults and a few heuristic rules(ie. if I almost always make long calls to contact X, and very short ones to contact Y, select a carrier for contact X based on lowest expected price for a long call, and select a carrier for contact Y based on lowest expected price for a short call). For those who did wish to dig deep and twiddle all the knobs, the tools for expressing and solving optimization problems in multiple constraints to computer systems are not exactly terra incognita. The real propellerheads could have their handsets algorithmically trading off between lower and higher power-requirement connections based on batterly life and location/time based estimates of next charge, and whatever other variables they felt like including...

  10. zzzPhone sidestory: wooden mobile phone by kanto · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The Outcome: zzzPhone took some orders and shipped a small number of very low-quality phones. I heard crazier and crazier stories about Horowitz, all second-hand. For instance, he apparently hired a carver to make him a cell phone out of wood that he tried to insert working phone components into.

    I found that a bit funny because making one is a course at a Finnish university. More pictures here, but with finnish text only.

    I originally read about this in a magazine; apparently they solder the sim-card connecting leads so swapping operators requires some work.

  11. Re:P2P phone not a bad idea by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm guessing that it would go over about as well as poor old "cablecard", which was largely murdered in the cradle despite being far less radical.(Or, for that matter, if SIM unlocking is too scary for them, this idea would have them shitting bricks, since it amounts to phones that automatically swap SIMs every second or so, depending on price...)

    In theory, though, there would be nothing preventing "traditional" style cellphone contracts(other than cheaper competition potentially making them foolish).

    I deliberately modeled the notion on that of electronic market trading, in which context a traditional cell contract would be, in essence, a "minutes/SMS/data option contract". Instead of buying my minutes at the market price where and when I need them, I purchase an "option" on X minutes, Y SMSes and Z megabytes to be delivered in the following month, at a set rate(presumably for a discount over the expected spot prices).

    Again, having to have a finance degree just to make a phone call won't really appeal to most people, so I would invoke the "sane defaults" notion and hope for the best; but the explicit parallels to common financial instruments, along with automated transaction engines, open up some fascinating possibilities for enthusiasts(as well as, in theory, helping networks cope with congestion: heavily congested regions would be more expensive for spot-price users, encouraging them to moderate usage; but they would also be most profitable for local wifi operators, temporary telco cell trucks, etc. to set up shop...)

  12. Re:P2P phone not a bad idea by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

    It seems like a huge number of potentially interesting technical solutions have a messy social problem sitting in their way.

    In wonder if that is the real reason why engineers are statistically more likely to be driven to extremism? All those elegant systems, and models, and protocols, being sacrificed on the altar of shareholder value by besuited simians...

  13. Re:P2P phone not a bad idea by ami.one · · Score: 2

    Maybe, the chinese phones with 3 SIM slots can be used to do such a thing without requiring the networks to decide. These phones have 2/3 radios & sim slots - they all work simultaneously - you can receive any call from all 2/3 nos and set a preference or select one while dialing out. People have 2 or 3 sim card phones and select which no to use to dial out depending on tariff etc. Quite common in India/China/etc Though i personally never liked having 2/3 nos or worrying so much about call charges, but yes, i would be interested in using data in such a way.

  14. Re:P2P phone not a bad idea by mlts · · Score: 2

    I'd love to see that technology become common in the US for a completely different reason, and that is to separate work data and home data. Combine this with virtualization, and this would be great for people who use their devices for work and home stuff. Leave a job and the IT staff sends a self-destruct signal? It only gets rid of the work based VM.

    Done right, it can be made decently secure as well.

    Of course, having the ability to switch SIMs for one machine is cool too, not just for cheap call rates. Say provider "A" is 4G but has a pathetic limit, provider "B" has 4G, but charges fees after a gig or two, and provider "C" is 3G, but is unlimited. The phone can use provider "A" until the bandwidth is exhausted, switch to provider "B", then to "C", until the month resets and "A" is useful again. Add QoS so important traffic (E-mail) goes over one link and other stuff goes over another, and this would be a very good thing (tm) to have.

    Even more ironic -- the providers in Asia use R/UIM cards, which are functionally identical in size and shape to SIM cards, but are for CDMA networks. Combine this with a radio that handles CDMA and GSM, and even the US's big divide between providers can be bridged to allow one device to work anywhere. Hopefully everyone adapting LTE will make the need for SIM versus R/UIM cards not needed, but who knows. I'm afraid the CDMA providers won't use SIM technology when LTE comes online, so even if a device is LTE based, a provider can just say no when a customer calls and begs for it to be activated.