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Why Eric Schmidt Left As CEO of Google?

Edsj writes "According to The New Yorker: 'Schmidt, according to associates, lost some energy and focus after losing the China decision. At the same time, Google was becoming defensive. All of their social-network efforts had faltered. Facebook had replaced them as the hot tech company, the place vital engineers wanted to work. Complaints about Google bureaucracy intensified. Governments around the world were lobbing grenades at Google over privacy, copyright, and size issues. The “don’t be evil” brand was getting tarnished, and the founders were restive. Schmidt started to think of departing. Nudged by a board-member friend and an outside adviser that he had to re-energize himself, he decided after Labor Day that he could reboot. He couldn't.'"

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  1. Not the most flattering portrayal... by MoonBuggy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So basically what they're saying is "Eric Schmidt is pro-evil".

    1. Re:Not the most flattering portrayal... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Corporations are "pro-evil"

      Evil is power.

    2. Re:Not the most flattering portrayal... by Darkness404 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      By that logic everyone is pro-evil.

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    3. Re:Not the most flattering portrayal... by Carewolf · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because everybody is a corporation?(!)

      Corporation as a construct are intended to behave in psychopathic manors. Most people on the other hands are not psychopaths,

    4. Re:Not the most flattering portrayal... by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 2

      So basically what they're saying is "Eric Schmidt is pro-evil".

      Yes. in fact he was so 'pro-evil' that he'll be played by Dr. Evil in the Google movie.

    5. Re:Not the most flattering portrayal... by postbigbang · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No, the whole thing is a PR sham to make you believe that the change doesn't mean anything. Now, the 'good guys' are back in charge.

      Puhleeze.

      This is an over-capitalized corporation trying to convince the world that the stock price is ok, don't sell, don't short, believe in the magic, etc.

      Speculation about Schmidt's change is pretty meaningless. He left Sun. He left Novell. Now he's in semi-retirement at Google.

      Next.

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    6. Re:Not the most flattering portrayal... by vshade · · Score: 2

      Most people are not psychopaths? Don't you read internet comments?

    7. Re:Not the most flattering portrayal... by Joren · · Score: 5, Funny

      Because everybody is a corporation?(!)

      Corporation as a construct are intended to behave in psychopathic manors. Most people on the other hands are not psychopaths,

      Then that's a problem, because with the economy as it is I don't think we have the resources to design and build psychopathic manors large enough to house each corporation. Plus, the work required to ensure that each manor was sufficiently psychopathic... nevermind the environmental impact statements...

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    8. Re:Not the most flattering portrayal... by The_mad_linguist · · Score: 2

      Edsj writes
      "According to The New Yorker: 'It seems Eric Schmidt didn't like the decision to deliver uncensored searches in China. It is reported the decision to withdraw censored searches in China was made by co-founder Larry Page sided with his founding partner, Sergey Brin and probably an internal battle for power begun. Schmidt also wasn't happy with the 'don't be evil' policy, something the Google founders were prepared to protect anytime. Schmidt lost some energy and focus after losing the China internal battle and decided to leave the position of CEO. It is also reported that the chairman position is a temporary one until he finds another business to take care.'"

      Quoting the original summary for posterity.

    9. Re:Not the most flattering portrayal... by marcello_dl · · Score: 3, Funny

      > Most people on the other hands are not psychopaths.

      I see what you just did to paranoids fearing a mutants` invasion, you 3+ handed monster!

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    10. Re:Not the most flattering portrayal... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Now he's in semi-retirement at Google.

      This beta nonsense is getting out of hand. Can't they complete anything?

    11. Re:Not the most flattering portrayal... by TheGavster · · Score: 2

      Your utopian havens of european socialism still rely on cheaply produced goods from outside, they're just better at keeping the rifraff out. Show me the country that adheres to socialist ideals while at the same time banning imports from countries that don't make the same pledge, and perhaps you'll have a point.

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    12. Re:Not the most flattering portrayal... by postbigbang · · Score: 2

      Sun -> Oracle.

      Novell -> Attachmate (pending).

      Google -> Apple? Apple is one of four companies to buy Google, having sufficient cash to do the job-- and perhaps the only one that could really digest it without an intellectual tummy ache.

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    13. Re:Not the most flattering portrayal... by postbigbang · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm not hating at all. You're swallowing the kool-aid of an enormous post-clash push to give the public the concept that Schmidt's departure as CEO is a good thing.

      Larry Page has little identity, where Schmidt was the 'face' of most of Google's public posture. Schmidt is gone, and now we're being fed stories about what he should do, how cool his stripes are, a few stories about his $200M yacht (just so that we know he can do Paul Allen stuff) and so on.

      Every time Google's stock price drops, there are lots of institutional investors that look at that, and ponder whether to leave or not. Jobs leaving when he did, was bolstered by what Hunter Thompson would call, KING HELL EARNINGS REPORT so as to buoy Apple's stock. This is ALL ABOUT keeping that stock price hopping, and doing damage control. There's no hate in what I say, rather the observation of the facts.

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    14. Re:Not the most flattering portrayal... by Culture20 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "there wasn't enough food to go around" there still not enough, don't believe me as you local food bank volunteer.

      sure there is. It's just not getting around before it goes bad or is destroyed. Thanks for helping make sure it gets distributed.

    15. Re:Not the most flattering portrayal... by SydShamino · · Score: 2

      But due to people acting in their own self-interest, we've developed modern techniques of agriculture to the point where everyone can be fully fed unless they are under an oppressive government (such as most of Africa).

      Or the nearly 10 million Americans that are forced to skip meals or eat too little each year.

      To nearly all the rest of your comments, I thank unions more than corporations for all of that. Corporations that sell to the middle class only exist because there is a middle class.

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    16. Re:Not the most flattering portrayal... by Omestes · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Efficiency often has a moral trade off. Why have 5 men do the work if it can be done by one robot? The robot will save money and be more efficient at the expense of giving 5 people work. If the company decided not to be efficient it would shortly fail to be competitive.

      It would be vastly more efficient for me to shoot my neighbor and take his food, than have to go to work every day to earn my food. It would be vastly advantageous to me to run around raping women, than having to spend the time and resources to woo one in the traditional way.

      These are sociopathic statements, when stated by an individual, but are valid corporate logic. It is more efficient to lay off 90% of my workforce, than to pay them a living wage. It is more advantageous to screw over 3rd world countries to sell fruit or designer water to American and Europeans, than it would be to have an ethical policy and treat people fairly.

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    17. Re:Not the most flattering portrayal... by sjames · · Score: 2

      You seem confused. There is a such thing as business without massive psychopathic mega-corps. Nobody here claims that business is bad. Technology has given us those things you talk about. The home computer exists because of individuals in garages doing their thing. Businesses then manufactured and distributed them.

      Safe water, btw came from public works, not mega-corporations. It's still that way, at least where I live.

      You might be surprised to learn that Adam Smith was the first of many advocates of capitalism who was against the existence of corporations. He also favored regulation of the market.

    18. Re:Not the most flattering portrayal... by bonch · · Score: 2

      Hippies tried your anti-technology communes in the 60s and abandoned them to buy groceries in the nearby town.

      Have you seen that episode of South Park where they mock Wal-mart? They travel inside to destroy its "heart," and when they find it, it's a mirror. You try to build up corporations like they're some bogyman, using phrases like "big pharma," when corporations are driven by willing consumers and are run by normal humans just like you.

      You cite zero examples for your claim about the highest standards of living being countries where they heavily regulate markets. Countries with heavily regulated markets almost always import from less-regulated countries because they can barely produce goods on their own. Governments are the most corrupt organizations on the planet--above the law and possessing no incentive to improve, because they are not driven by a need to appeal to consumers. Coporations have to do what you want them to or they lose your business. Governments already have your business; their paychecks are guaranteed by law via taxes, and if you don't pay them, you go to jail. This gives them power over you. As the lawmakers, they are above the law.

      Ultimately, the desire for market regulation is really about the obsessive, naive need of socialist snobs to construct a gigantic, centralized superpower that can force all citizens to live the way they want them to live, driven by a constant fear of the idea of people running things for themselves.

      P.S. Learn to capitalize and spell properly. Otherwise, you come off as stupid and ignorant when trying to make some grand political point.

  2. Ahhhahahaahaa... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You're killing me. The CEO of one of the most well known companies in the world steps down because he doesn't like the company motto and the new man at the top upholds "don't be evil". Hilarious. How do you come up with this stuff?

  3. Schmidt to replace Steve Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You heard it here first.

    1. Re:Schmidt to replace Steve Jobs by HateBreeder · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Seeing as he is/was in apple's board of directors, that's not so far fetched.

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    2. Re:Schmidt to replace Steve Jobs by oiron · · Score: 5, Informative

      He resigned, partly over conflicts of interest regarding Android. If he did take up Apple again, presumably he'd have to resign as Executive Chairman of Google for the same reason...

    3. Re:Schmidt to replace Steve Jobs by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 2

      "I have great confidence that Tim and the rest of the executive management team will do a terrific job executing the exciting plans we have in place for 2011." -- Steve Jobs

      I'd say The Steve hasn't exactly kept it a secret whom he views as his heir apparent.

    4. Re:Schmidt to replace Steve Jobs by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't think Schmidt would become CEO of Apple. It would be hard for Apple to replace Jobs. Though Jobs was never technical, there were a few characteristics about Jobs made Apple was it is today. (1) The demand of perfection. Jobs is maniacal about perfection in Apple products. To be fair, Jobs is probably an asshole in real life as many stories suggest, but he has always expected that Apple build really good products. I don't see that desire from Schmidt. (2) Clear vision and strategy. I don't know whether it is his ideas or his staff that formulates the strategy, but Apple has been right more than they've has been wrong about the direction of technology. If we look back here on slashdot, many of the moves Apple made were ridiculed when first announced but seem as brilliant in hindsight (retail stores, music store, etc). I don't see Schmidt as someone who has that vision. At best he's good at managing people.

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  4. Got to love a privately owned public company by A+beautiful+mind · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As far as I know the share structure of Google gives enough voting rights to the founders to retain absolute control even with a minority of the shares.

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    1. Re:Got to love a privately owned public company by iammani · · Score: 2

      You can still sue them, claiming they are not working for the benefit of the shareholders (even if you are in the minority). Being a publicly listed corporation has its disadvantages too.

    2. Re:Got to love a privately owned public company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually you can't. You can only sue them claiming they are not acting in accordance with the company bylaws. Google's bylaws allow for significant activity that is not in the benefit of, or might even be contrary to, the economic benefit of its shareholders. If the shareholders don't like that they shouldn't have bought the stock.

    3. Re:Got to love a privately owned public company by Amorymeltzer · · Score: 3, Funny

      As far as I know the share structure of Google gives enough voting rights to the founders to retain absolute control even with a minority of the shares.

      Hey, no complaining. If it's good enough for Bruce Wayne and Wayne Enterprise it's good enough for Page/Brin and Google.

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    4. Re:Got to love a privately owned public company by swillden · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I think "We're acting in accordance with the goals outlined in our articles of incorporation, with which stockholders indicated their concurrence when they bought the stock" is pretty much an ironclad defense, unless said stockholders can prove that the corporation's actions are not in fact in accordance with the defined goals.

      The fact that most corporations' articles of incorporation specify profit as their primary goal doesn't mean all of them have to, and Google's don't.

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    5. Re:Got to love a privately owned public company by swillden · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm not an attorney, but all I can say is that sounds like utter nonsense to me.

      What about companies that are specifically set up to do "green" business? Are you telling me that if they then choose environmentally-friendly manufacturing processes that are much more expensive and therefore barely provide a profit margin over non-green processes that would provide a much better shareholder return, that the shareholders can sue them for doing precisely what the company was established to do, and what the shareholders were made aware of before they bought shares?

      Your argument is basically that the defined and documented goals of the corporation are meaningless. I don't buy it.

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    6. Re:Got to love a privately owned public company by dkf · · Score: 2

      It's a defense, but it's not an ironclad defense.

      But good luck fighting against it. You'd have to have a really good case for it to be worth considering at all.

      I haven't specifically read Google's AOI.. but consider for a moment if the "don't be evil" principle was written in some way into the AOI. What if one day Larry Page decided that targeted advertising is evil (it arguably is), and therefore decided to immediately shut down AdSense?

      Well? It's purely hypothetical. He's unlikely to do so unless there's a scheme waiting to take over that makes even more money. However, if he did then maybe a case could be made. Until that time... well, who cares? (Well, as an investor maybe you should care, but you would typically price that risk premium into the price you're willing to pay to invest in the company, and that's true for any investment; the details vary, but the principle doesn't.)

      This is true because the fiduciary is required to act in the best interests of their counter party. Ultimately it doesn't matter what the AOI says.. if the fiduciary clearly acts in a way that could damage the counter party (shareholder) that is a violation of the fiduciary duty, and thus the counter party (shareholder) may be entitled to compensatory damages or other actions undertaken by the court.

      But determining the best interests of the counter party is difficult, so proving a case where the CEO does an action that is exactly in line with both the letter and spirit of the corporate charter, and which was both freely open to examination and widely discussed before the investment position was taken, proving such a case is very hard. (It's easier to show in the situation where a company has put itself up for sale and the Board accepts an offer from a golfing buddy of the CEO that is a long way below the highest price. Nobody's accusing anyone at Google of this sort of scumbaggery.)

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    7. Re:Got to love a privately owned public company by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 2

      LOL. I'll never understand why it's so evil to make sure I don't see ads for products I'll never ever possibly consider buying (like tampons).

      No one is concerned over that. They're concerned about the tracking/profile building/data mining necessary to do it. Just like most people have no problem with a homeowner shooting a criminal who has a gun in their house to prevent murder or rape, but some people think that the cost of getting to that action (people owning guns, the added risks in being able to find the intruder, the possibility of error, etc.) may be so high that they support gun control.

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  5. well then good by circletimessquare · · Score: 3, Interesting

    don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, mr. schit

    sergey brin emigrated to the usa at age 6 from russia. it is my understanding his strong anti-censorship views comes from what his parents imparted on him from their experience in the totalitarian ussr

    so good for you mr. brin, bless you. maybe google can be a force for good in this world and not a data abusing behemoth like facebook as long as you draw breath

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  6. Sounds like they made the right choice then by PPalmgren · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A CEO getting butthurt over not following something in their company core values shouldn't be running that company. Not everything can be easily quantifiable by dollars and cents, but you can bet your ass that that corporate philosophy has made them money over the years. Schmidt is short sighted.

    1. Re:Sounds like they made the right choice then by PPalmgren · · Score: 3, Interesting

      A majority of Google's business model relies on an open and free internet. Censorship and government control pass the decision-making on what product the use from the consumers to government authorities. To play in to that philosophy is the beginning of the end of Google.

      Also, their stance gives them a selling point and differentiator in their domestic market. There are significant benefits for their decision that do not comprimise the core company values, thus hurting the identity of the company. When the scales are even, you go with the gold not the gamble.

  7. Submitter is wrong about "don't be evil" by emurphy42 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    or at least not clearly right. Context from TFA:

    Schmidt, according to associates, lost some energy and focus after losing the China decision. At the same time, Google was becoming defensive. All of their social-network efforts had faltered. Facebook had replaced them as the hot tech company, the place vital engineers wanted to work. Complaints about Google bureaucracy intensified. Governments around the world were lobbing grenades at Google over privacy, copyright, and size issues. The “don’t be evil” brand was getting tarnished, and the founders were restive. Schmidt started to think of departing.

    This doesn't mean that Schmidt wanted to move away from "don't be evil", he may have just been worn out from trying to uphold it for as large and diverse a company as Google is.

    1. Re:Submitter is wrong about "don't be evil" by dr2chase · · Score: 2

      Maybe. If you look at some of the issues listed, arguably they are fall out from being a little half-hearted in the pursuit of non-evil. Schmidt's remarks on privacy were not helpful for the company image. Size they can do little about (I mean, come on, "Google", it's a huge number, for a huge company), but privacy and copyright, absolutely, they could do better than they did, especially privacy.

      The other advantage of "don't be evil" is that it removes a huge number of the choices that you might otherwise consider, giving you a much smaller search space for what-to-do-next.

  8. The other side of the coin by Haedrian · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Two sides to every story -

    I viewed the China censorship affair as a large corporation ignores a country's laws because it was powerful enough to be above the government.

    I don't think that's a force for good at all, I think that it sets a very dangerous precedent.

    1. Re:The other side of the coin by MoonBuggy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They had the choice of obeying China's laws or being shut down, and they were shut down. I see where you're coming from, but it's not like they wilfully tried to continue running while breaking the law, or attempted to hide what they were doing - they were open about their position, and China responded. To say they were ignoring the laws implies (to me, at least) that they were trying to get away with doing so, rather than making a direct and public stand. Agree with it or not, that's the difference between crime and civil disobedience.

    2. Re:The other side of the coin by khallow · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I viewed the China censorship affair as a large corporation ignores a country's laws because it was powerful enough to be above the government.

      Another deluded fool thinks a business is more dangerous than a authoritarian state. The current government of China is a long term threat to the freedom of the world in a way that no mere business can ever be.

    3. Re:The other side of the coin by CodeBuster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Governments are far more dangerous than corporations. Governments have the power to deprive you of your life, liberty or property...literally. The governments have the armies and the guns, remember? In fact, since we are on the subject of China, wasn't it Mao Zedong who said that, "Political power flows from the barrel of the gun"? Indeed, I am often frustrated by those who fail to grasp the irony of advocating for more government power to regulate individual economic activities without realizing that those same powers invariably destroy the individual liberties and freedoms which they claim they want to protect and preserve. They cannot have it both ways. They are either being disingenuous, as those with an anti-freedom progressive agenda often are, or naïve or both. As much as I distrust the motivations of some corporations I distrust governments even more . So I view Google's defiance of the Chinese government as a victory for freedom and individual liberty. In my opinion the governments of the world need to be taken down a notch or two, if only to remind them that it is the people who are sovereign, not the governments elected by them. Too much government control, too much nanny state and too much power over people's lives is the real danger. Those who continually seek to enhance the power of the state over the individual should be careful what they wish for; they might actually receive it and if they do, they will deserve it.

    4. Re:The other side of the coin by bmo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Governments have the power to deprive you of your life, liberty or property...literally.

      So do corporations.

      C.f., the Banana Wars and the United Fruit Company, and the "privatization" of the Iraq war. Oh, and let's not forget the US railroads in the 19'th century. Among other things.

      I love how you guys try to absolve corporations of their sins. The doublethink in your head must be nearly crippling.

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    5. Re:The other side of the coin by The+End+Of+Days · · Score: 3, Informative

      No one is forced to support a corporation, whereas governments rule through coercive force. I know that doesn't sink into you anti-corporation people too well, but since most of your views are founded on poor understanding of reality in the first place, I don't worry too much about that.

    6. Re:The other side of the coin by khallow · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Capital has just as much ability to employ armed force

      They don't. They depend on government for enforcement of contracts and laws.

      Suitably large businesses are no better than governments, and more likely to be autocratic and authoritarian in nature.

      Employment at those businesses is voluntary. You agree to the autocratic/authoritarian control only as long as you work there.

    7. Re:The other side of the coin by Darundal · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, you can avoid a monopoly by going without it's services or products. You might end up either slightly inconvenienced, or living like a cave man, or dieing from some horrible disease because said monopoly makes some drug that you need to not die slowly and painfully, but you can avoid it. Think "Matrix" with this. As long as you technically have a choice, it is all good and wholly acceptable. The second you don't, there are issues. Of course, some of us live in the real world. Where "I can technically disassociate myself from these bastards" doesn't really work out to much of a choice.

    8. Re:The other side of the coin by eriqk · · Score: 2

      Capital has just as much ability to employ armed force

      They don't. They depend on government for enforcement of contracts and laws.

      There's plenty of precedence.

    9. Re:The other side of the coin by PCM2 · · Score: 2

      No one is forced to support a corporation

      Really? Suppose your corrupt government sells your water supply to private interests? (Yes, I know this was the plot of Quantum of Solace, but that script was based on actual events.)

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    10. Re:The other side of the coin by CodeBuster · · Score: 2

      You will note that in each of those cases companies acted in concert with or under the orders of governments. It was the governments who provided the means, the corporations and special interests merely pulled the strings and therein lies the danger of concentrated government power. It creates an irresistible temptation for powerful individuals or corporations to co-opt and misuse that power for their own purposes. Power is and always will be abused, despite our best intentions, because mankind is sinful and corporations are controlled by us. The founders were wise enough to understand this and took steps to separate powers and weaken centralized government, but we in our foolishness have forgotten these once hard-learned lessons. My point was that those who believe that powerful governments will prevent sin and solve our problems for us are deluding themselves. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

    11. Re:The other side of the coin by meanthinking · · Score: 2

      ...government of China is a long term threat to the freedom of the world in a way that no mere business can ever be.

      I dont know about 'freedom of the world' - sounds a bit like cold war type hyperbole to me, but as for a company being a danger... I give you the East India Company.
      This was a publicly traded European company that spectacularly looted an entire sub-continent for the benefit of its shareholders and employees personal profit, for nearly a hundred (yes, 100!) years before their greed caused a revolt in 1857, at which point the British government stepped in, and officially continued doing their good work for another hundred years.

      if it hadn't been for a oh, a world war and its stress, and the fact that the locals were getting really upset again, it is doubtful they would have left India.

      Colonialism was business and money first, not politics - and as an American (that i assume you are) you too should know that, no?

    12. Re:The other side of the coin by meanthinking · · Score: 2

      Capital has just as much ability to employ armed force

      They don't. They depend on government for enforcement of contracts and laws.

      Um. They do have the abililty to hire armed forces. Do you watch the news? Heard of Blackwater? Guns for hire - and what we see on the news is just the PR version. Who knows what else they do.

      And if you go back in time a bit, the East India Company maintained a private ARMY to enforce its business on an entire sub-continent. This was before the invention of electricity, so by now corporations have many more tricks up their sleeve...like maybe just buying the government?

      And the influence of corporate authoritarianism in your life doesn't end with a pink slip...where do you go when the company(s) owns the country? Ask native Africans the fun they've been having with giant global corporations in their countries.
      You seem to have a very Norman Rockwell style rosy image of what a private company with power will and wont do.

  9. Why Eric Schmidt Left As CEO of Google? by Wonko+the+Sane · · Score: 5, Funny

    Why lolcats added to headline proofreading department?

    1. Re:Why Eric Schmidt Left As CEO of Google? by Kenshin · · Score: 4, Funny

      Because it's cheaper than outsourcing to India.

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  10. Good track record by Animats · · Score: 5, Insightful

    10 years as CEO of a Fortune 500 company isn't a bad record. The average is 6.5 years. Schmidt leaves with Google much larger than when he started, profitable, and in good condition. He's done far better than the CEOs of most of the Fortune 500 in the last decade.

    1. Re:Good track record by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Not only that, I object to the characterization of Facebook as a better place to work that Google. Facebook might be nice if you want to pretend you're still in a college frat house with toys and a full bar. That kind of thing appeals to college students (including me when I was in college), but if you're the type of programmer who wants to work at a place where you can do interesting programming things, Google is WAY better than Facebook.

      Google has a lot of interesting projects going on, with 20% (somewhat) discretionary time, but Facebook has a single website that I almost wish didn't exist. No question where I'd rather work.

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    2. Re:Good track record by PCM2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Not only that, I object to the characterization of Facebook as a better place to work that Google.

      Yeah, I think someone's been doing a few too many lunches with Facebook reps. I've never heard this one. To be perfectly honest, the one company I still hear "vital engineers" talk about working for (if they can't work at Google) is Microsoft. /.ers may hate Microsoft on principle, but where else could you go and end up working on .... well, you name it. Look at all the stuff coming out of Microsoft Research, even if it's never productized. An engineer who goes to work for a start-up might get to work on one really interesting idea, for stock options. An engineer who goes to Microsoft and gets disillusioned with one idea can get transferred to another one and still keep seniority and a highly competitive compensation package. Facebook? It might have a big valuation, but it sounds like just another Web start-up to me -- a few opportunities for engineers, but a lot more for marketing types and other "visionaries."

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  11. Facebook: Hot Tech Company — Explain??? by foobsr · · Score: 3

    From TFS: "Facebook had replaced them as the hot tech company, the place vital engineers wanted to work."

    Could someone explain?

    CC.

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    1. Re:Facebook: Hot Tech Company — Explain??? by mysterons · · Score: 5, Informative

      --stock options: Facebook is/was pre-IPO. If you want to get rich as an engineer you would work there. You will never get that rich at Google.

      --freedom: Google is a large company and it is hard to get stuff done. Facebook is small.

      --Google is perceived as no longer being the place where the best work.

    2. Re:Facebook: Hot Tech Company — Explain??? by foobsr · · Score: 2

      THNX. This was a real question.

      CC.

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    3. Re:Facebook: Hot Tech Company — Explain??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      It's nonsense that's continuously propagated by Facebook employees. Out of my graduating class at MIT the top places to work were Google, Microsoft Research and small startups. Facebook acquired some of low end students, but not much else. Very few of the top students would even genuinely entertain offers from Facebook because the problems Facebook works on aren't interesting.

  12. Re:Summaries Changing Drastically by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 3, Funny

    Wait, so we can't change our posts but they can change the summaries!
    YRO!

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  13. I don';t think so.... by eples · · Score: 3, Informative

    the place vital engineers wanted to work

    Leave Google to go work on PHP spaghetti code? Puhleese.

    Maybe people have left Google, but show us the numbers. I highly doubt they went to FACEBOOK.

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    I'm a 2000 man.
  14. Pray tell by Chicken_Kickers · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sigh. Not this shit again. Is China the evil villain now? I wasn't paying attention to Faux News. I am still at EyeRaan as the Axis of Evil chapter. In my non-American view, the US is the short, medium and long term threat to freedom in the world. The last global economic meltdown originated from there. The most Draconian laws (copyright, intellectual property laws, RIAA etc.) emanates from America. America can and did invade any country it likes on any pretense and get away with it. It can kidnap, imprison without trial and torture anyone regardless of nationality and get away with it. It has nuclear, chemical and biological weapon stockpiles that at any moment could fall into the hands of Sarah Palins and their ilk. It has mercenary fanatical soldiers who will carry out any order, even shooting civilians in cold blood. And worst of all, Americans still believe that they are the good guys. This belief is what scares me. Historically, China on the other hand had not much interest in the outside world other than the buffer zones around it. China want to become a world player but from what I have seen, it does not want to become the world police, judge and executioner.

    1. Re:Pray tell by grcumb · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Of all of your idiotic claims about the US, only one holds water, that the global meltdown started in the US. But bad crises and wars start somewhere, you can't blame based on where they start. For example, the Second World War started in Poland and the First World War started in Serbia. So are Poland and Serbia responsible for their respective world wars?

      Points of fact that doesn't serve your argument very well:

      WWI was precipitated by the assassination of the Archduke Franz Ferdinand, heir to the Austro-Hungarian Empire. The war was started when an empire in decline decided to exert its will upon a state it had annexed and occupied for some years.

      So, in truth, the lesson to be drawn here is that empires in decline should be wary of unbottling very powerful genies when they try to act in their declining years as they did in their prime. Kind of supports the GP's argument more than yours, I'm afraid to say.

      WWII was started, not by Poland, but by Germany in its attempt to build an empire for itself. Here, the parallels are stronger between the US' recent bellicosity and Germany's. In both cases, we see unprovoked attacks against a strategically useful but virtually defenseless nation, resulting in tragic consequences, both the the aggressor and the defender. Yet again, an object lesson again that speaks more to the GP's point than yours.

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  15. Re:So CEOs... by MagusSlurpy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They, to paraphrase, "lose some energy and focus" when they do not get their way. Interesting way to put that.

    That really describes everyone. I often "lose some energy and focus" when my boss tells me to change the way I am tackling a problem, because he doesn't think the same way I do.

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    My sister opened a computer store in Hawaii. She sells C shells by the seashore.
  16. Monopolies answer to governments by sjbe · · Score: 2

    Oh, look! Another moron who's never heard of a thing called a "monopoly".

    Monopolies are answerable to the government in the country in which they reside. Furthermore, there is no monopoly that has the (legal) authority to put you in jail, confiscate your property, or terminate your life. I can live a free life without electricity or telephone service. Less convenient but quite doable.

  17. "How many divisions" by mangu · · Score: 4, Informative

    Governments have the power to deprive you of your life, liberty or property...literally.

    So do corporations.

    For a corporation to do that, two conditions must be met first:

    1) there must exist a government
    2) that government must be corrupt

    Without a corrupt government, corporations do not have the powers you mention.

    Without any government at all, let's say as happens in some parts of Africa, no corporations exist.

  18. Nobody has spotted the obvious by dbIII · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Google's PR problems started at the same time that Rupert Murdoch's NewsCorp saw them as a serious competitor for the advertising dollar. That is why "Governments around the world were lobbing grenades at Google" after Murdoch went around the world talking to governments about the evils of the net and most likely calling in favours. Even the streetview wireless thing was really a non-event until it was blown way out of proportion by the Murdoch press.

  19. Are we better off now? Prediction fulfilled, sadly by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 2

    Some things have improved, some things have gotten worse. It's hard to say, overall, that most people in the USA are much happier than the Haudenosaunee (Iroqois) were 500 years ago, even living a bit longer perhaps on average. Are those alive now in the USA much happier or more physically fit than the Arawak in Haiti who Columbus and his successors wiped out?

    See, for example:
    http://www.historyisaweapon.com/defcon1/zinncol1.html
    "Arawak men and women, naked, tawny, and full of wonder, emerged from their villages onto the island's beaches and swam out to get a closer look at the strange big boat. When Columbus and his sailors came ashore, carrying swords, speaking oddly, the Arawaks ran to greet them, brought them food, water, gifts. He later wrote of this in his log:
    "They ... brought us parrots and balls of cotton and spears and many other things, which they exchanged for the glass beads and hawks' bells. They willingly traded everything they owned... . They were well-built, with good bodies and handsome features.... They do not bear arms, and do not know them, for I showed them a sword, they took it by the edge and cut themselves out of ignorance. They have no iron. Their spears are made of cane... . They would make fine servants.... With fifty men we could subjugate them all and make them do whatever we want."
    These Arawaks of the Bahama Islands were much like Indians on the mainland, who were remarkable (European observers were to say again and again) for their hospitality, their belief in sharing. These traits did not stand out in the Europe of the Renaissance, dominated as it was by the religion of popes, the government of kings, the frenzy for money that marked Western civilization and its first messenger to the Americas, Christopher Columbus."

    So, sure, we have fancy laptops and the internet, and that is great. But do most of us have real families, real communities, and meaningful work anymore?

    See also:
    http://www.primitivism.com/original-affluent.htm

    We can't go back to those days and keep our big populations. But we can at least honor the memory of what was good about those times, and try to bring that goodness into the 21st century. Some people are trying:
    http://www.blessedunrest.com/

    Overall, I think Eric Schmidt was trying, too. I'm sort of sorry now I made fun of him and Knol here:
    http://groups.google.com/group/openvirgle/msg/5bd385feed4127d7
    """
    Gold Leader: Pardon me for asking, sir, but what good are semantic wikis and desktops going to be against Virgle?
    General Dodonna: Well, the Empire doesn't consider a small cgi script on a shared server or desktop to be any threat, or they'd have a tighter defense.
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    Commander #1: We've analyzed their attack on Knol, sir, and there is a danger. Should I have your Golden Parachute standing by?
    Governor Schmidt: Evacuate? In our moment of triumph? I think you overestimate their chances.
    """

    Still, if he had listened to the points I was trying to make about Google and Post-Scarcity, maybe he would have had more success?
    http://www.pdfernhout.net/a-rant-on-financial-obesity-and-Project-Virgle.html
    "This is an email I posted to the Project Virgle email list. Project Virgle was an April Fool's joke by Google and Virgin, which many did not see as that funny. ... Essentially, by focusing on "profit" (and so Empire to defend that profit and related "ownership" and "equity") this is the kind of deadly farce of the bubble of Empire that Google and Virgin are (in jest) proposing bringing to Mars. It's just the "uns

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    A 21st century issue: the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity.
  20. GP meant "authority" not "power" by Crag · · Score: 2

    There's a difference between having the power (or "means" or "capability" or "opportunity") to do something and having the authority to do it.

    A mugger has the power to acquire resources through threats or actual violence. The IRS has the authority to do so. When the mugger attacks you they are breaking the law. When the police seize your property to rectify a tax debt, they are enforcing the law.

    This is a matter of definitions, not politics. Government is the system a society chooses (or fails to overthrow) as a mechanism to develop and implement the rules of law. Corporations are organizations which exist under those rules. Sometimes corporations break rules just as muggers do. It is within their power to do so, but they do not have the authority. Sometimes they get caught, sometimes they get away with it. That's the nature of reality. But the meaning of the words is such that only a system of government has the ultimate authority to use force to enact its will. Any non-government entity which acquires that authority does so at the behest of the government(s) it serves or operates under (which is usually the same thing).

    When a Corporation mis-behaves, it is the job of the Governments who have jurisdiction over those incidents to correct the behavior of the Corporation in question. When a Government mis-behaves, it is the job of the Citizens to correct the behavior of that Government.

    The grand-parent post used the word "power" when they should have used the word "authority". It is, by definition, true that "Governments have the authority to deprive you of your life, liberty or property." The circumstances under which various governments have that authority vary from country to country, and from state to state.

    If you don't like what corporations due, vote with your dollar and your ballot. If you don't like what your government does, vote with your wallet, ballot and feet. (It looks like voting with bullets doesn't work anymore.)