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Japanese Supreme Court Rules TV Forwarding Illegal

eldavojohn writes "If you use anything like a Slingbox in Japan, you may be dismayed to find out that a Japanese maker of a similar service has been successfully sued by Japan Broadcasting Corp. and five Tokyo-based local TV broadcasting firms under copyright violations for empowering users to do similar things. TV forwarding or place shifting is recording and/or moving your normal TV signal from its intended living room box to your home computer or anywhere on the internet. Turns out that Japan's Supreme Court overruled lower court decisions confirming fears that to even facilitate this functionality is a copyright infringement on the work that is being transferred."

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  1. Re:Wait...what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Are they pissed you aren't buying another TV Provider's box?

    This is the same country that, due to special interest groups, made it illegal to rent video games or consoles while leaving it perfectly legal to do the same with other types of media including dvds and music cds. This includes "selling" those video games for a week or two with the agreed upon idea of "buying it back" a week later for 10 dollars less than the original price.

    So yeah, that's probably why they're doing it.

  2. Re:dear media execs: you can't control this by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 4, Funny

    why do lawyers believe they can stop the march of technological progress?

    well, its either that or do real work.

    which would *you* pick?

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  3. Re:And nothing of value was lost by mdm-adph · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah, and as more and more people stop watching TV, the amount of ads that show up in commercial breaks on Hulu grows. It's up to two, now, from just one -- don't you think that by the time TV "goes away," it will have reached parity, rendering this argument obsolete?

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  4. Space-shifting "service" is the issue by Migraineman · · Score: 5, Informative
    Here's a better article.

    Looks like the issue is a commercial entity providing the space-shifting service. This isn't an individual setting up his own DVR and using a VPN to watch recorded shows. This case involves a company acting as a proxy for the individual, hoping that the following claim will protect them -
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    Nagano Shoten said it is just renting out space to install the devices belonging to its customers, who chiefly live abroad, and is not infringing copyright.

    Having not seen actual court documents, I'm inclined to think that the third-party service is the real issue. Oh, and that pesky part about the media cartels not getting a cut.

    1. Re:Space-shifting "service" is the issue by Richard+W.M.+Jones · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually had a friend who worked in sales selling one of these services.

      The way it works is this:

      The company hires a room in Tokyo and fills it top to bottom with (legally purchased) decoder boxes. The output from these is sent over the internet to paying customers in foreign countries -- in the UK in the case of my friend. They get access to these "proxied" services, the idea being that they can watch Japanese TV programs from the UK without needing all the special satellite equipment.

      The (stupid) copyright issue is down to regional licensing of TV programs and films, which is why the established broadcasters hate these services and try to portray them as criminal / pirates when of course they are no such thing.

      Anyway, hope this explains a bit more what's going on here. I see it's business as usual for openness and transparency in Japanese politics/law ...

      Rich.

  5. Re:And nothing of value was lost by Digital+Vomit · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And just do the sensible thing and just pirate everything (and then whine unceasingly when shows get canceled for lack of revenue from viewers) or is this a "popular culture is so crass and I'm so sophisticated it hurts, but in a snooty way, not a plebeian way" statement?

    Right. As if piracy has ever been the cause of a show being cancelled.

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  6. Re:Wait...what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As opposed to some other countries where special interest groups made it OK to rent video games and consoles, but NOT okay to rent music CDs.

    True story: a branch of a Japanese retail chain opened a store in my town in the US. Being the thing they do back home, they had Japanese music CDs for rent. Mind you, this was in the days before CD copying existed so it was not like you could make a perfect copy unless you had a DAT drive, which almost nobody did. And then the tapes for that would cost more than the CD. So basically CD copying didn't happen.

    But the store was eventually found by the US music licensing companies (ASCAP, etc) and C&D'd over this practice of renting CDs. Apparently it's not allowed in the US, which may explain why I've never seen any other place in the US do it.

    But I don't understand why. You can rent DVDs. You can rent video games. You can even borrow CDs from the public library. But you can't rent them.