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Two-Thirds of US Internet Users Lack Fast Broadband

jbrodkin writes "Two-thirds of US Internet connections are slower than 5 Mbps, putting the United States well behind speed leaders like South Korea, where penetration of so-called 'high broadband connectivity' is double the rate experienced in the United States. The United States places ninth in the world in access to high broadband connectivity, at 34% of users, including 27% of connections reaching 5 Mbps to 10 Mbps and 7% reaching above 10 Mbps, Akamai says in its latest State of the Internet Report. That's an improvement since a year ago, when the United States was in 12th place with only 24% of users accessing fast connections. But the United States is still dwarfed by South Korea, where 72% of Internet connections are greater than 5 Mbps, and Japan, which is at 60%. The numbers illustrate the gap between expectation and reality for US broadband users, which has fueled the creation of a government initiative to improve access. The US government broadband initiative says 100 million Americans lack any broadband access, and that faster Internet access is needed in the medical industry, schools, energy grid and public safety networks."

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  1. The way of things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's the slow inevitable decline of a failing empire.

    No one is to blame.

    Everyone is to blame.

    1. Re:The way of things by zeroshade · · Score: 4, Informative

      You seem to be missing a few: (in Mbps)

      1. South Korea: 36.90
      2. Lithuania: 29.49
      3. Latvia: 26.19
      4. Republic of Moldova: 24.13
      5. Romania: 23.65
      6. Sweden: 23.31
      7. Aland Islands: 23.08
      8. Switzerland: 18.54
      9. Portugal: 18.19
      10. Germany: 17.58
      11. Japan: 16.91
      12. Iceland: 16.31
      13. Bulgaria: 15.94
      14. Singapore: 15.81
      15. Denmark: 15.62
      16. Belgium: 14.65
      17. Finland: 14.50
      18. Luxembourg: 14.14
      19. Hungary: 13.73
      20. France: 13.57
      21. Ukraine: 13.08
      22. Andorra: 12.37
      23. Russia: 12.32
      24. Norway: 12.30
      25. Estonia: 12.13
      26. Liechtenstein: 11.47
      27. Austria: 11.10
      28. Slovakia: 10.32
      29. Czech Republic: 10.28
      30. United States: 10.16
      31. United Kingdom: 10.10

      .... and so on

      Sure, we're 31 out of 168. Still, why are we so far down the list?

    2. Re:The way of things by gravis777 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, I remember living in Austria 10 years ago, and many places charged per megabyte. Broadband penetration at the time was EXTREAMELY limited. Why? Because its freakin hard and expensive to run fiber through those mountains.

      However, the entire country of Austria is the size of the state of Maryland, with half its population living in Vienna. Germany is the size of Montana, and Switzerland is just slightly bigger than Austria, but not as big as Germany. Germany, Austria, and Switzerland can all fit inside the state of Texas, and still have room for Luxemburg and a few other small countries.

      Shoot, the entire CONTINENT of Europe is only 2/3rds the size of the CONTINENTAL US, yet the population is about equal to Italy, Germany, Austria and Switzerland combined.

      What does this mean? The population of the US is way more spread out than the rest of the world.

      Shoot, remember how I said that Germany was the size of Montana? Look at the population difference, Germany, roughly 80 million in 2000, Montana, roughly 500,000 in 2000.

      Remember those costs that I mentioned earlier about Austria complaining about the costs of running fiber through those mountains? I wonder what the cost is to run fiber out to Montana, Wyoming, Nebraska and the Dakotas, and how much it would cost to run broadband to each of those users homes. Pretty sure it won't be offset by paying $19.95 a month for service.

      I am sorry, but there is a perfectly good reason that the AVERAGE speed of broadband in the US is not the same as the AVERAGE speed of broadband in the rest of the world.

      In our defense, Russia is just barely above us, China, Canada, Mexico, India and Brazil are below us. What a concept - big countries with a lot of area rank low on the list! Gee, I wonder why?

    3. Re:The way of things by s73v3r · · Score: 2

      Because 640K ought to be enough for anybody, amirite?

    4. Re:The way of things by thenewt · · Score: 2

      This infrastructure is aging and obsoleting, but it is still usable. In the rest of the world, investments have been far more recent (mostly in the 90s), hence better and more recent technology.

      This. The more recently a country has updated their infrastructure, the more likely it is to be zippy. I think that accounts for a lot of the discrepancy. This does NOT, however, end the discussion. What are America's current telecom corporations doing to stay relevant? When they expand to new areas, are they using contemporary tech? I'd love to see a rundown of numbers like this.

  2. Not clear in TFA.. by splutty · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It isn't made really clear whether this is 'availability' as in people have the option, or actual people having the actual connection.

    Considering the pricing schemes I've seen in the US, the former option seems to be much more likely than the latter.

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    1. Re:Not clear in TFA.. by devxo · · Score: 2

      Of course it's not just 'availability'. If you have the money I'm sure you can find someone do the cables and deliver you whatever speed you want.

    2. Re:Not clear in TFA.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Most anyone not occluded by terrain in the USA can get satellite internet.
      But that's not the whole story, Hughesnet has advertised service with the following:
      $60/Month for the slowest tier, $110 for highest, horrible 2 second ping times and a very low 200-400 MB/day limit.
      It seems those restrictions eliminate any reason to have high speed satellite internet.
      I'm still using dialup at 45.5 Kb. and download over 500 MB/Month
      I've been waiting for DSL for 15 years,
      Centurytel and previously Sprint have promised it since.1996. A sprint tech to finally told me that without
      50 customers inside a service area, No Chance.
      The phone companies stole the Gov money and pocketed it.

    3. Re:Not clear in TFA.. by Chrisq · · Score: 3, Funny

      By that reasoning Nigera has a very good availability, as long as you are willing to pay for digging fibre long distances.

      I took up your suggestion and while digging the trench I came across $1 billion in unmarked bonds, belonging to the late General Fornitsum Fornus. Unfortunately i need the assistance of a foreign bank account to get this money out of the country to his widow and starving children .....

  3. Usual Excuses by ultranova · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Cue the usual excuses about it being simply too difficult to offer broadband in such a big country as the United States.

    Somewhere far beyond a bunch of ghostly settlers are looking at their descendants very, very ashamed.

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    1. Re:Usual Excuses by guruevi · · Score: 3, Informative

      And as brought out time and again, there are much less dense countries in the world that have bigger pipes and even metropolitan areas in the US don't get all that great of a broadband. Look at individual states and I would say most of the East Coast and West Coast is pretty densely populated but still many don't have broadband or very fast broadband. I don't think there are any providers in the US that provide more than 10Mbps other than those that can afford a business package.

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    2. Re:Usual Excuses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Ironical isn't it? How the "can do" country has now become a "can't do" country. Same thing with high-speed trains. Just excuses about how it can't be done in the US even though Europeans and Asians have done so for years.

    3. Re:Usual Excuses by zach_the_lizard · · Score: 2

      It can be, depending on the area. My town has FiOS in some areas, even though the whole county is 30-40k people or less. Cable Internet is available outside of the town limits too, in some areas. However, I've lived in some remote areas (thanks, Dad, for the hour long drive to school!) where dialup is the only option. Satellite Internet wasn't even an option.

      Having lived all over, it seems to be that if your road isn't even paved, give up broadband. You probably won't get it for a while. If you have to drive for an hour to buy meat (any meat), give it up forever, unless people migrate there en masse. Do your kids a favor and move, too.

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    4. Re:Usual Excuses by RicktheBrick · · Score: 2

      Necessity is the mother of all inventions. I have cable internet with 5mps speed. I download about a half of a gigabyte of date everyday. I also upload more than a hundred million bytes of data each and every day. I have been doing this for years now without any problems. I am not constrained by the speed of the internet. I am a 62 year old widower and I want to see more services from my internet. For instance I want smoke detectors with temperature gauges to be connected to the internet. So that in case of a fire the local fire department could be notified after an attempt was made by the ISP to contact me by either phone or the internet. There are times when I am not feeling all that great when I want to go to my computer and instruct it to demand that I type in a word that the computer displays for me every 10 minutes. It would do this until I instructed it that I was feeling better. If for some reason I am unable to type that word in, the computer would assume that I am in trouble and send help. I want the ISP to poll my computer at least once a minute and if no response is given, than by polling other computers determine where the problem is without any help from me. I would assume that this would greatly help in case of natural disasters. When the internet is capable of saving lives than the demand will grow to the point where it can not be ignored any more.

  4. Before the inevitable... by sznupi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, it's not because of low population density - for example most Nordic countries have typically much lower ones. And considering how situation with cellular coverage sort of mirrors the broadband one...

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    1. Re:Before the inevitable... by Zouden · · Score: 2

      And even if population density was the issue, is that any excuse? The US built a national highway system, but now it can't keep up with the rest of the world on internet speed, something which the US invented in the first place. If things are going to stay that way then the 21st century is going to be very different to the 20th in terms of America's status on the world stage.

      We shouldn't have to wait until China gets higher broadband penetration than America, but that might be what it takes before the US realises it's not a world leader any more.

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    2. Re:Before the inevitable... by Gaygirlie · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Indeed. Finland is a great example of that: we have pretty low population density, especially in the north, yet you can get a decent ADSL-connection all the way in the rural Lapland. Though, pretty much the same applies to cellular network coverage too.

      AFAIK the problem in the US isn't really the fact that the density is so low, it's rather the fact that when they laid down the wiring they didn't bother planning it for future expansions and just did it as quick and dirty as possible. And now they don't wish to publicly admit that they did that and instead try to point to other directions as the reason for connectivity issues. Of course, I could be wrong, but I've just gotten such an image of their actions and behaviour so far.

    3. Re:Before the inevitable... by Targon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The government did the highway system, not private companies that decided that they had enough extra money to run the roads through the middle of nowhere. The US government has focused on funding companies that provide technology to the military, but has not done anything to encourage technology in the private sector. Startup tech companies have really died off since the tech crash of 2001-2002, and there has been very little recovery since then to ENCOURAGE people to go into the science and technology fields, except of course for medicine...where you find drugs to improve your skin, but it may cause heart attacks, strokes, kidney and/or liver failure, anal leakage, and other problems.

  5. actual speed by macshit · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I wonder what proportion of "fast" connections are actually fast though...

    I live in Japan, and my internet connection is nominally 20mbps -- but in actuality, I usually get less than 3mpbs, because it's a ADSL connection, and I'm just a bit too far from the central office. I understand that in many cases cable internet also has issues with the real speed not living up to what's advertised.

    Granted, there are multiple other providers I could use that have their own infrastructure (fiber-to-home, cable, etc), and maybe they're better, but still, I think I'm probably counted as a statistic ("has 20mpbs connection!") somewhere when maybe I shouldn't be ...

    [I don't switch because this connection is really cheap, and I just don't care enough; it's "fast enough" for me.]

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  6. Re:Nordic had to do it by Jafafa+Hots · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The size of the US really doesn't explain why my only two provider options, cable and DSL, are dirt slow and unreliable... in the most densely populated part of the San Francisco Bay area - net capital of the planet.

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  7. 5Mb OK for most people, surely? by radio4fan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm on 5Mb and it's fine for me.

    I can watch iPlayer/Hulu, download movies and ISOs, I use it for work and listening to pandora and BBC Radio.

    I honestly can't think of any time I have thought 'I wish I had faster broadband'. In fact, I could upgrade to fibre for not much extra but I don't feel the need.

    I'd worry more about the relatively large number of unfortunate Americans who can't get broadband at all due to being out in the sticks.

  8. Is this a problem? by Haedrian · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What do you need more than 5 Mb/s for? Surely you can stream a video properly, or browse the internet, or download stuff with a slower connection?

    Bit of a non-story isn't it? If they were all on dial up or something, then yes, time to panic. As it is, I have a 4Mb/s connection, and I don't feel left out of the internets at all.

    1. Re:Is this a problem? by igreaterthanu · · Score: 2

      What do you need more than 5 Mb/s for?

      With 20mbps it is faster to buy a 4GB game on Steam and download it than it is to drive to the store and get a physical disk. You can also let multiple people use the internet without it going slow because someone else is streaming video, multiple people can stream video/play games online/etc at the same time.

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    2. Re:Is this a problem? by jibster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      640K should be enough for anyone.

    3. Re:Is this a problem? by Targon · · Score: 2

      Streaming a video at what quality? There is a difference between streaming a 320x200 video and streaming a 1920x1080 video. Having people with slow connections means that there will be less of a push to increase the quality of streaming video clips.

      Back when the World Wide Web first got started, even having pictures in a web page was limited, because people were on 2400 and 9600 baud modems for the most part, with only those in college/university and military having a fast enough connection for it to be useful, and even then, you would wait for a while for the pictures to load. Netscape was far better than NCSA Mosaic, even with version 0.8. As modem speeds increased, more and more pictures were added to web pages, but even then, you didn't have streaming videos, you had to download videos to watch them. The higher the "expected" speeds are of others, the higher the quality of what you will see on the Internet, and that is what you are missing.

      Many people have monitors that are 1920x1080 these days, and in the next ten years, we will probably see the end of 4:3 displays(which are slowly fading out as those old CRTs are retired or just die). Streaming video will go from 320 lines of resolution up to 720 lines once the majority of viewers can actually make use of it, and that is why people need higer than 5Mbps connections. There is talk about broadcast TV eventually fading away with streaming content replacing it, but the general public will not make that switch if the quality of streamed programming is not at least at the level they get from current broadcast TV. That means you would need to have streaming of 1080i or 720p programming, and THAT is something the current Internet infrastructure just can't handle just yet.

      Now, as far as you not feeling "left out" with your 4Mbps connection, before you had ANY high speed connection, you might have been satisfied with 53k(regulated max speed for dial-up here in the USA). Now that you are at 4Mbps, could you REALLY go back to dial-up? If you were up at the 10Mbps range, going back to 4Mbps really does feel like a much slower connection.

  9. Re:Silly comparison by binkzz · · Score: 5, Informative

    I think due to its vast size and rural areas the US is always going to be lagging behind smaller countries in the latest network technology.

    I'd much rather see a comparison and insight into why Asian countries are so far ahead of the relatively small and well off European nations. There must be some key cultural differences.

    I live in Holland, a small and well off European nation. I don't know the numbers for high speed connections here, but I don't know anyone personally who cannot get high speed internet. My father lives in a tiny village in the most rural of provinces here, and even he has a 100 mbit connection.

    Looking it up on Wikipedia:

    The Netherlands has the highest broadband penetration in the European Union. According to the OECD, in 2009 DSL was available to approximately 100 % of the population,[1] and in 2008 cable Internet access was available to 92 % of the population.[2] Statistics from the OECD also show that in 2008, 73.97 % of Dutch households had broadband access,[3] with approximately 38 subscribers out of 100 inhabitants in June 2009.[4] Several upload and download rates are available, depending on the network provider.

    That means Asia isn't ahead of us - we beat South Korea (and all other Asian countries) with our figures from 2008; we probably have an even higher percentage now.

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  10. Re:Internet usage by Kokuyo · · Score: 2

    That and pirating tv shows... What?! At least I'm honest about it...

  11. Does anyone ever get over 2 Mb/s download speeds? by Edmund+Blackadder · · Score: 2, Informative

    I am supposed to be one of the lucky ones with a broadband connection. When I do Internet tests it says my download connection is over 20 Mb/s. Nevertheless I have never had a download that goes faster than 2 Mbit/s. In fact I have very rarely had one that goes faster than 1 MB/s. Usually I am happy to get 500 Kb/s. The only downloads that go over 1 mb/s are various ubuntu downloads from canonical.

    It is amazing to me that someone could get around 5 Mb/s download.

  12. Re:Nordic had to do it by sznupi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Which is part of another oft-forgotten factor - those living in rural areas are relatively few and far between. With the emphasis on "few" they don't strongly influence the statistics in the first place.

    The US apparently has even slightly higher percentage of urban population than, mentioned in TFS, South Korea; and quite notably higher than Japan (though of course those two can't be directly compared, having much higher population densities)

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  13. Verizon by _0rm_ · · Score: 2

    Enough said. I live in an area that has seen a population burst over the past few years, and yet the powers that be have seen it unfit to get FiOS out here. Houses just down the road can't even get DSL. ISP's are cheap bastards.

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  14. Re:Nordic had to do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    say hi to the huge gorilla in the room.... capitalism.

    other countries think broadband for everyone is a great idea, and fund it.

    in the US, that would get you labeled as a communist.

    enjoy your slow intertubes.

  15. Re:Does anyone ever get over 2 Mb/s download speed by masshuu · · Score: 4, Informative

    Make sure your not mixing up Mbps and MBps
    Mbps is reported by your isp
    MBps is reported by most applications
    20Mbps / 8 = 2.5 MBps. which fits with your 2 MB/sec speed

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  16. Did they ask how many want it by Shivetya · · Score: 3, Interesting

    and how much they are willing to pay?

    I bet you can find more people like my Uncle and Aunt in Ohio who own a farm. They have dial up internet. That is all they want. They use it for mail, a few government sites, and not much else. Since its a working farm they don't have much time to spend on the computer. I know, broadband would free up more of their time, well not really. When relatives send pictures those can download with no one around and when they use their PC they are pretty much doing what they need to do, not just blindly surfing. Movies, well that is what local stations are for.

    They aren't ignorant of the internet, just a lot of features and what others call necessities are not for them. When I tell them they can watch movies on demand over the net it doesn't pique their interest. They get their news and weather from the paper or broadcast TV.

    When I tried to bump my parents internet to broad band a few years ago they were like, why pay more for that? It wasn't until a deluge of grand daughter pictures and the like did they see *ANY* value to high speed internet. Guess what, it still is all about getting the latest pictures. All that streaming/etc/whatnot is meaningless in their lives. They are very happy and content as they are.

    People on tech sites tend to vastly over estimate the need for, let alone the desire of, many for high speed internet. Hell, you can enjoy life just fine without touching the net for weeks. If anything its made a nation of couch potatoes even a worse syndrome.

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    1. Re:Did they ask how many want it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, I know a number of farmers who use the internet an awful lot.
      From real time weather forcasts at harvest time (don't want to cut the grain in the rain) to spot prices for their products(pork belly futures)
      Then there is contacting hauliers to truck their stuff away to ordering all sorts of stuff online like they used to do from the Sears Catalog.

    2. Re:Did they ask how many want it by D+Ninja · · Score: 4, Insightful

      People on tech sites tend to vastly over estimate the need for, let alone the desire of, many for high speed internet.

      One of the most insightful statements I have read here on Slashdot. We often forget that we are so focused on technical needs that we miss what "real people" really need or want.

      Hell, you can enjoy life just fine without touching the net for weeks.

      Well...now...that's just blasphemy. :-p

      Seriously, though. Excellent post. Technology is fun, but it's not everybody's (most people's) cup of tea.

    3. Re:Did they ask how many want it by tehcyder · · Score: 2

      Then there is contacting hauliers to truck their stuff away to ordering all sorts of stuff online

      I work with farmers in the UK, and I can assure you that most of them would rather pick up a phone and talk to someone they know/can haggle with.

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    4. Re:Did they ask how many want it by commodore6502 · · Score: 2

      >>>I bet you can find more people like my Uncle and Aunt in Ohio who own a farm. They have dial up internet. That is all they want.

      Precisely. I have both dialup and DSL, with a max speed of 0.8 Mbit/s. I CHOOSE that slow speed because that's all I want or need, and it saves me money ($15/month) versus the faster 5+ plan. Before we start shouting "doom and gloom", let's look at the actual numbers for average download speed:

      Mbit/s
      1 12.9 Russian Federation
      2 10.7 USA
      3 10.5 EU
      4 10.4 Canada
      5 9.1 Australia
      6 8.7 UAE
      7 4.9 Brazil
      8 4.4 China
      9 3.8 Mexico

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    5. Re:Did they ask how many want it by parlancex · · Score: 2

      It is very short sighted to make a judgment in technology based on what you think your users "need". The reality is many "normal" people see a lot of value in services like Youtube, Netflix, Skype (with video), iTunes and other multimedia applications that they may not have become accustomed to using because it isn't usable for them right now anyway, so it is a chicken and egg problem.

      That's just today anyway, but I mean, what could people possibly need tomorrow? 640k ought to be enough for anyone right guys?

  17. Re:Does anyone ever get over 2 Mb/s download speed by SeaFox · · Score: 2

    I am supposed to be one of the lucky ones with a broadband connection. When I do Internet tests it says my download connection is over 20 Mb/s. Nevertheless I have never had a download that goes faster than 2 Mbit/s.

    A file transfer over the internet requires two internet connections: yours, and the connection the server hosting the file is on. Not to mention there's also the limit on how fast the other server chooses to send the file to you. The speed can be artificially limited at either end after all.

    This is exactly why you test your Internet speeds on a reputable speed-testing site independent of your ISP, and not judge it from download speeds. It's also why getting personal high-speed internet service over 20 Mbps for general usage is a waste unless you need to share that bandwidth over a large household of users. There is a certain point where web-browsing speed stops being a problem with your connection being slow and becomes "this the fastest the site is going to load from their end".

  18. Re:Silly comparison by guruevi · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It is being driven by competition. Holland has like 20 providers to choose from for cable, DSL and there are some doing FTTH now. There are also wireless offerings which work really well.

    Their neighboring country Belgium has only 2 (major) providers for Internet (cable and DSL) where cable has literally bought a monopoly status a couple of years ago in return of putting down a 200km fiber ring (they didn't even bother doing FTTH even though their offering is called FiberNet) and DSL/phone used to be a government run (and is still government owned) company. They have 10-30Mbps lines with 10-30GB monthly caps. Just recently have there been non-capped offerings because there are 1 or 2 DSL providers that have finally convinced the government that the phone line owner (the government-owned private company) can't gouge the prices for sharing lines.

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  19. Re:annnd why is faster access needed by the medica by vlm · · Score: 2

    industry? Why, I believe it has something to do with telemedicine and the soon to be heard cry from the PTB that American doctors are paid too much (nevermind the ridiculous cost of tuition, student loans, ect). Solution = outsource their asses. Set up a semi interactive TV & PTZ camera grid in front of an examination chair. Hire cheap trained labor to draw blood and perform other menial tasks. The Indian/Taiwanese doctor on the other end of the cameras will examine and collect data via clinic monkey.

    Already being done with radiologists in non-rural areas. So, you get an xray after a car accident at 2am and the radiologist isn't there in person to evaluate. No problemo, you have the on call guy connect via his home cablemodem, download the immense file, look at it in the viewer, call the ER doc with the results. Why pay an American radiologist $150K/yr when the guy in Mexico does it for quite a bit less?

    The part that mystifies me is "schools, energy grid and public safety networks". For schools, I'm not seeing the killer app that devours bandwidth other than filesharing in the residential dorms at university. For energy grid and pub safety, thats a complete WTF moment. I guess you need at least a T3 to post the local top 10 wanted criminals to a website annually. Or maybe in a natural disaster situation, if all 100K people in my suburban city called the cops simultaneously, and they somehow had 100K operators on duty to take the call, then I guess 13 kilobits/sec per call thats about 1 gig/sec, yeah that would be money well spent.

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  20. Re:Nordic had to do it by klui · · Score: 2

    I don't know if you were being serious, but the reason is because the monopolies/duopolies have such a stranglehold on the infrastructure it is difficult for anyone else to effectively compete with them. Municipalities get sued by the incumbent ISPs for setting up their own broadband system and winning, there is no need for the likes of Comcast and AT&T to provide cheap and reliable broadband. And when broadband is more expensive than the rest of the world, your aunt and uncle are "satisfied" with what they have.

  21. Re:Europe? by Kumiorava · · Score: 2

    Some countries in Europe have it better than others. Lumping Europe as one entity is a little silly.

  22. 640K by Toze · · Score: 2

    640k ought to be enough for anybody.

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  23. Re:RTFA by zach_the_lizard · · Score: 2

    Those people should really consider moving closer to the city. It reminds me of my dad: "I want land! Let's move into the country. What, there's crappy Internet service (and other services) in this area? Why? It's not just me, Farmer Bob lives down the road too."

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  24. Re:Quite. by Targon · · Score: 2

    If there is no profit in providing service to a town, why should a private corporation spend the money to provide that service? Seriously, there is a difference between charity, which can be written off on your taxes, and losing profitability by providing service to a small town that will NEVER bring in enough revenues to even meet the maintenance costs. Seriously, are businesses in the business to make money? For cellular, at least when people with the service travel, they will be able to make use of that service in the middle of nowhere, so it can be seen as good for ALL customers to add towers in new places, but for home broadband, what use does someone in Chicago have if someone from a 1000 population town in West Virginia has fast Internet access?

    It really comes down to Government needing to provide that access in places where no other company can afford to provide it. Remember the telephone system? That was pushed by the US government too, otherwise the same towns that have no broadband today would not have telephone wires, because there is NO profit in running those wires in the first place.

  25. Cost versus Quality by Sefi915 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I pay 50 bucks (US) a month for my Earthlink DSL. I get 1.5Mb/s down, less than 300Kb/s up. Yes, you read that right - my total downloads never exceed 150KB/s and my uploads never exceed about 36KB/s.

    It works for me and my needs (though it's annoying downloading game demos/updates that are larger than a few hundred MBs - takes me multiple days)

    I wouldn't mind faster service - but I don't want to pay the 75+ a month that Comcast will eventually charge me (and no, I don't want to spend 2+ hours a month trying to negotiate them down to a "special" price) and the FiOS pricing and availability in my area is kind of stinky, too. Lots of packages that don't last long enough and price ranges that jump up 50+% at the end of the promotional period.

    If I could get 10Mb symmetrical service for 50 bucks a month and not have the price change (except to go down), I'd jump on it.

    And in the Northeastern United States, it shouldn't be a non-existent option.

  26. What will happen by AntEater · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can tell you what will happen with this government initiative. They'll do some more studies. They'll have lots of meetings with the telecommunications corporations. They'll form some committees. They'll give some tax money to the industry to encourage the development of improved broadband offerings. The industry will pocket the money and nothing will really change. On the books it'll look like they spent it all on expanding and improving the infrastructure but virtually nobody will see an improvement.

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  27. Re:RTFA by Moryath · · Score: 2

    Even close to the city, you're likely to have a crapass DSL connection run by the local telco monopoly. The definition of "broadband" is something that gets argued about left and right. Back in my old place, the local telco monopoly was still trying to pass off 1Mbit down / 128kbit up as "broadband."

    The problem is the US has just about zero competition for ISP service, which means zero reason for the telco and cable monopolies to actually provide a decent service. Instead, they just charge monopoly-extortion rates for shitty-ass service. Hell, if it weren't for prior art, I bet Comcrap would try to patent that as a business model!

  28. Re:RTFA by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I remember an article about 2 months back where the government said they were going to change the definition of broadband to 5 Mb Down and 1 Mb up. So currently I would be without broadband. I could have 50 Mbit internet, but I really don't want to pay for it. I'm happy with 3M/256K internet, because there isn't anything out there that requires higher speeds. Netflix streams fine at 3Mbit (is SD). And so what it it takes a bit longer to download a Linux ISO. It's not like they have a new release every 3 days. Maybe the issue is that most people don't care to have 10 Mbit interner, because the added cost doesn't actually get them anything they wouldn't have already. What's the point of having 50 Mbit internet when even a HD movie from netflix will stream on 5 Mbit connection.

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    Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
  29. What about latency? by Retired+Spy · · Score: 2

    My connection is far below 5m and since I don't watch movies, my download speed is usually adequate. However, what I haven't heard mentioned here is *latency*. I do a lot of remote work over the Internet and the latency I get is *abysmal*. It seems that ISPs have been sneaking the latency up (by refusing to tune for latency and using default settings for packet queue management). This results in behavior which, much of the time, makes remote NX/VNC connections almost unusable. You can forget about Video over IP and VoIP. Connections over the Internet pretty much require saying "over" when you stop talking so the remote party knows when they can start speaking. We need to make people aware that there are *two* parameters which define broadband quality. Speed is just one of them.

  30. Two words: Loops Length by TheSync · · Score: 2

    1) Average US local loop length is 13,000 feet.
    2) Typical ADSL downlink speeds at that length is 5 Mbps under the best scenario.
    3) No surprise that "Two-thirds of US Internet connections are slower than 5 Mbps"

    Now I have no idea why average US local loop length is 13,000 feet when the UK and France have average loop lengths of 10,000 feet (gets you 7 Mbps), and Germany and Italy have average loop lengths of 6,500 feet (gets you 14 Mbps). It might be a combination of more detached houses, population density, but I suspect path-dependency on the history of the telephone buildout and central office consolidation during the voice-only era may play a major role.