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Four Outrages Techies Need To Know About the State of the Union

Mr.Intel writes "Last night's State of the Union Address contained ten things (and four outrages) technical professionals need to know about the President's plans, and how his policies might affect you, your employer, and your family well into the future."

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  1. Huh? by iONiUM · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I read the article, I don't see anything specific to techies. Actually that whole article headline sounds like an article out of People magazine. What's going on here?

    1. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I just loved the fact the headline was written as if they were facts, and then it was really just that guy's take on things. Blah not worth the time to click all 3 short pages

    2. Re:Huh? by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Not to mention that his final "outrage" was a dude's tie. Seriously? It's a fucking tie. It's fucking cosmetic. If someone wears a tie that wouldn't have been your choice, shut the fuck up and dislike their tie in quiet. Considering that the author previously (and correctly) picked on the immaturity of Congress members, the immature action of calling someone's tie an "outrage" is highly ironic.

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    3. Re:Huh? by DudeTheMath · · Score: 3, Insightful

      TSA pat-downs are less necessary for trains than planes simply because trains can't be redirected into, say, large office buildings or nuclear plants. They're kind of stuck on the rails.

      The above is not to say there can't be plenty of trouble a dedicated terrorist can cause with a passenger train (I could probably come up with a couple of dozen "train hijacking" films), but external damage is a bit more limited. High-speed trains, in particular, are going to need dedicated rail lines, so it would be hard to even crash them into freight trains with hazardous chemicals, say.

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    4. Re:Huh? by Golddess · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Oi, on the new /. interface, I couldn't even tell there _was_ a link in TFS until your comment made me double-check.

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    5. Re:Huh? by jfengel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm not sure that's a problem, though. You can't fly a plane into a building any more. The door is locked, and neither passengers or pilots will ever again believe you're merely looking to head to Cuba. By the time you get through the door, they've either landed, crashed, or been shot down. It would be horrific, but no more horrific than blowing up a crowded train. You might even manage to kill more people on the train, especially if you derailed a crowded one at rush hour.

      Both al Qaeda and the TSA seem to have an unhealthy fixation on planes, rather than turning their attentions elsewhere. Until recently, I think a lot of Americans had joined them on that, though I think that "don't touch my junk" has finally caused a backlash.

    6. Re:Huh? by Vectormatic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Both al Qaeda and the TSA seem to have an unhealthy fixation on planes

      i think the only reason al qaeda still even targets planes is just to keep the TSA alive, knowing that all the scanning/pat-downs are just a miserable experience, basically playing the "if you are scared, the terrorists have won" game, rather then genuinely trying to kill people.

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    7. Re:Huh? by jalefkowit · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's not sexist to observe that a woman who has a long history of saying and doing crazy things may be crazy.

    8. Re:Huh? by Americano · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The point he was making was that the president was trying to score funny points on it - and "pointing out something we all think," when it's his own administration that has foisted these new rules on us that he's cracking jokes about.

      If Pres. Obama feels that these pat-downs are ridiculous and laughable, perhaps he should... oh, I don't know... direct his administration to change the requirement that calls for them?

    9. Re:Huh? by man_of_mr_e · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm not sure if you're from Minnesota or not, but those of us who are have a long history with her saying stupid shit. For example, she advocated criminal action by refusing to fill out census forms and refusing to answer census takers questions. This was even more stupid (for her), since her very job depended on census results as Minnesota was close to losing a congressional district, and hers was the likely one on the chopping block. Nevermind that that taking a census is a constitutionally mandated activity... so much for her beliefs in the founding fathers intentions.

      Oh, and her recent claim that the founding fathers were against slavery, and "worked tirelessly" to get rid of it were another one. Hell, she even claimed John Quincy Adams was a founding father, which would be kind of difficult since he was 9 years old when the constitution was signed, although it's possible he may have used his father as a puppet to do his bidding....

      All politicians occasionally make off the cuff remarks that wrong, but this wasn't one of those times.. it was part of her rehearsed speech. She *INTENDED* to say these things that were not only flat out wrong, but so ignorant of the very thing she's claiming to represent... history and the constitution.

      You don't have to be liberal to think she's a kook. I'm not. At all. You do, however, have to be fucked in the head to admire her, other than her uncanny ability to get re-elected.

  2. Outrage 8? by robthebloke · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Outrage 8: I was outraged at Outrage 2 (and some other stuff!)? Is this guy serious? The whole article just seems to be some incoherent and ill-constructed rant. As a Non-US citizen, is there some deep and meaningful message in the drivel that I'm not understanding?

  3. Link to article by Jaxim · · Score: 5, Informative

    I must be blind b/c I couldn't find the link to the article. I googled the post's title and found this article: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/government/10-things-and-4-outrages-techies-need-to-know-about-president-obamas-state-of-the-union-address/9930 In case someone is equally blind as me, I hope that helps.

    1. Re:Link to article by prof187 · · Score: 4, Informative

      The link is on "ten things" and is to the link you found, but the link color is apparently the same as the text color so there really isn't an indication...

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    2. Re:Link to article by Megane · · Score: 5, Informative

      but the link color is apparently the same as the text color

      That's a "feature" of The New Slashdot.

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  4. Re:Blah blah blah by corbettw · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The same old tired promises we've been hearing since 1790.

    FTFY.

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  5. One Outrage I agree on... by chispito · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...was the President's jest that a benefit of high speed rail was the absence of a pat down. If he realizes this bothers people... why not actually address privacy rights and the out-of-control TSA in his SOTU speech instead of bringing it up and throwing it aside?

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  6. Re:How can we out-innovate? by crumbz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The logic that we need to compete with workers who are poorly paid, who live and work in an environmental nightmare, is ridiculous.

  7. sigh by hb253 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I am troubled by the wording of the headline. Am I alone in this regard?

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  8. This isn't news by jjohn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That article is an opinion piece. Just because that crap is on ZDnet doesn't make it news of nerds.

  9. A modest proposal by MikeRT · · Score: 5, Interesting

    At 27, I'm a "millennial." My generation and Generation X are looking at a bleak future because of what is being done by the Boomers.

    I have a simple solution: take away the Boomers' Social Security and Medicare. All of it. Keep the Boomers' parents on it. They paid in and didn't give us this situation. They passed on the baton of leadership to the Boomers around Bush Sr. and the Boomers hit prime time in the Clinton and Bush years.

    I say "f#$%" them, as a generation. They want to be able to default $500k mortgages and enjoy generous pensions and Social Security when they won't even let my generation discharge a few 10s of thousands of dollars in student loans **in bankruptcy court**. They want to turn Generation X into beasts of burden to fund their benefits while my generation wallows in disproportionate unemployment?

    Screw them. The revenues from taking them off the potential Social Security and Medicare rosters would more than pay off our debt in under a decade.

    1. Re:A modest proposal by carpefishus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As a late boomer I love that idea. Just pay back to me what I put in adjusted for inflation, of course. I could then retire right now. If that doesn't work for you get your lazy ass back to work and pay for my retirement as I paid for your grandpas.

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    2. Re:A modest proposal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Why does he sound like a jackass? I quote funding of Social Security from wikipedia: "In 2009 the Office of the Chief Actuary of the Social Security Administration calculated an unfunded obligation of $15.1 trillion for the Social Security program. The unfunded obligation is the difference between the present value of the cost of Social Security and the present value of the assets in the Trust Fund and the future scheduled tax income of the program.". This mean, if I read it correctly, that the amount that will be paid out, most of which is going to Boomers, far exceeds the assets in the trust fund. In fact, it exceeds it by so much that even future scheduled tax income will not cover it. The assets in the trust fund of course do not completely represent the amount of money that the Boomers paid in, since some of that money was used to pay for those before the Boomers. However, given the magnitude of the unfunded obligation, this suggests to me that the amount that has been paid in by Boomers is not sufficient to cover the amount owed to Boomers.

      Even if the amount that has been paid in were sufficient to cover future obligations to that given generation, this would not at all imply that the Boomers were "owed" the money in Social Security. For years, the government has spent more than it has received. It's fine to say "but this money that is being spent (the obligations) is covered by this patch of money that is received (the OASDI taxes)", but money is totally liquid, you can account it how you like. The fact is, not enough was paid, and the younger generation is and will pay for it.

    3. Re:A modest proposal by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I say "f#$%" them, as a generation. They want to be able to default $500k mortgages and enjoy generous pensions and Social Security when they won't even let my generation discharge a few 10s of thousands of dollars in student loans **in bankruptcy court**.

      First, most of us have not yet had the pleasure of "default[ing] $500K mortages". Check the percentages of defaults nationwide (it's under 20%) and my assumption is that it was not us boomers that did most of the defaulting - look a little closer upstream at the X'ers for that. Second, most boomers don't have pensions - just fairly crappy 401K's that are usually underfunded and insufficient to maintain a person in this country - not that relatively meager SocSec payments are much better. Finally, I don't really give a rat's ass whether or not you discharge your debts, as long as my tax dollars aren't backing them. Let the lenders take the haircut and I'd be fine with it.

      As for the Congresspeople who don't seem to care about you, all I'll say is that you have a chance to vote, too. You're also young and energetic enough to run about banging on doors and getting your fellow young people elected. In my state, we have quite a few Gen X's in the state legislature (many with many Gen Y's on their staff), many of whom will probably be in the US legislature in a few years. Of course, not many of them go about spouting idiocy like "Take away Social Security and Medicare" and everything will be great for me!!!

      In fact, as for your "modest proposal", if you did try to do that, remember that boomers are in generally better health than the elderly of previous generations, we outnumber you, firearms take away strength advantages, and I bet you'd taste really good, once roasted.

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    4. Re:A modest proposal by ScientiaPotentiaEst · · Score: 3, Informative

      Secondly, SS is just fine. It's running a surplus and can pay full benefits for the next 27 years.

      Actually not. SS is now entering the phase where more is being drawn than being contributed (somewhat ahead of schedule - http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/TRSUM/index.html). Further, there is no surplus - there hasn't been for many years. Federal law prohibits it ( http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/51264.pdf). Any surplus must by law be rolled into the general fund (referred to in the document as "borrowing from the Social Security trust fund"). Given that the federal government is currently in debt to the tune of approximately $14Trillion, there is no actual SS money accumulated anywhere.

      The situation is dire. Not only is the debt not being reduced, but the deficit is accelerating. Extra taxes aren't going to cover it (they'll probably make the situation worse). Medicare/Medicaid are in even worse shape - and the prior administration made that worse still by signing into law the Medicare Drug Prescription Act.

      Bleak indeed.

    5. Re:A modest proposal by coolmoose25 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Disclosure: I was born in the last year of the Baby Boom - 1964. I had the same argument you're making here with my dad 30 years ago. I could see the writing on the wall even then... I knew that Social Security would not "be there" for me like it was for him. I told him that I thought the way to fix the problem was pretty much what you're saying... The boomers should pay in until his generation died off. Then Social Security should have a stake put through it. It is a ponzi scheme, but not called that because it's government run. I still subscribe to this belief. I think when it's time for me to collect, they should kill the system for everyone. Then you and I can both stop paying, but I'll have sacrificed for the greater good. I still believe this. My dad's generation grew up in the depression, then had to fight WWII (which my dad did personally, flying B-17's over Europe). They lived under the threat of nuclear annihilation for most of the rest of their lives. They deserve their social security. Me and the rest of the boomers? Not so much. We grew up with relative wealth and security (except for that nuclear annihilation thing) and have had it pretty good. Most of us are baby heads. We're debt leveraged to the hilt. We're relative losers when compared to our parents. We don't really deserve Social Security. Perhaps our only saving grace would be to do as I describe and free you from the burdens of Social Security. Maybe then we can be a great generation after all. That'll leave you "millennials" to figure out how you can leave the world a better place. From the way you talk, you'll do worse than us. Crap... you're not even polite about screwing an entire generation!

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  10. Using Education as an Economic Scapegoat by eepok · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Education has two functions:

    (1) Give children sufficient information to make them better (as people and citizens of communities, cities, states, nations, and the world) than the prior generation.

    (2) Give children the information required to enter the job market.

    Education, and the children and teachers within, are not nor have they ever been tasked with shouldering the burden of the most in-debt and luxury-addicted nation in the world. They way education is being sold today, and now solidified by a president who's desperate to get support from the money-minded, is that we can create a Uber-WorkForce by hyper-educating, hyper-tracking, and hyper-testing our children.

    "Invest in the most profitable areas of education now and we'll be rich in the future! MONEY!!!! LUXURY!!!"

    This is genuinely impossible. Education cannot be treated as a competition ("Race to the Top", "Pay According to Results") and be expected to stay honest. Without honesty, we can't tell if new ideas are working. Moreover, children will eventually become normal, ordinary people with interests in love, humor, entertainment, politics, history, music, and so on... their K-12 over-education in science, technology, engineering, and math will not change them into a new generation of work-slaves.

    Putting the pressure, money, and focus on such a goal will be a complete waste. Focus on making them good *people* first and foremost (education in *real* history, philosophy [including religion], sociology) while also educating them in the various ways they can earn sufficient money to live their happy lives and the rest takes care of itself.

    And for the sake of cutting off some argument at the pass, I'm not advocating the cutting of STEM funding-- I'm saying that STEM subjects should not be over-invested... particularly at the cost of the education that is there to create a better society. Maybe one that doesn't allow itself to get into the mess we're in right now.

    The goal of education is make good people who can be productive in the job market, not workers who are passable human beings.

    1. Re:Using Education as an Economic Scapegoat by avandesande · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How much can education do for the half of the population with below average intelligence? Is it cheaper to put these people on welfare than to provide them with decent labor/manufacturing jobs?

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  11. Four meaningless rants to draw attention by damn_registrars · · Score: 5, Informative
    In summary, his four complaints in order were:
    • Manufacturing - and the possibility that much of it might go away for good from the US
    • TSA pat-downs at the airports and Obama not promising to make them go away for good
    • High speed wireless internet initiatives that do not explicitly include net neutrality promises from the POTUS himself
    • An energy policy with benchmarks over 20 years in the future

    Now exactly why much of that matters to most "techies" is beyond me. Really most of it doesn't mattter to most techies.

    However it does draw eyes to the website. And I noticed there was a Michele Bachmann ad here on slashdot last night, and this seems to go well with her sales pitch as well. Since president lawnchair has already caved to everything that the GOP has asked for to date, they need to find something to get excited about for the future.

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  12. Re:Riduculous by skids · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You have an awfully low opinion of assembly line workers. I would encourage you to meet one. Then you'd appreciate the physical effort required to meet an extremely strict work schedule, and maintain attention and energy for an entire work day in less than comfortable conditions.

    Sure, it's not an intellectually demanding field, and we suffer an intelligence deficit as a result of most jobs not stimulating intellect, but these people worked hard for their meager pay.

    The real issue with manufacturing jobs is labor rights -- in other countries. By allowing manufacturing to go overseas we lose control over employers and they are free to create sweatshop conditions. There have been some good signs in that this issue is becoming an item often addressed in trade agreements, but keeping a manufacturing base here in this country is important so that we can continue to be good example of how to employ physical/dexterity labor without abusing workers.

    If we just let other countries with low standards completely take over manufacturing, there will be no progress towards more complex automation. Slaves are still cheaper for most tasks than either autonomous or piloted robot labor -- automation itself has not reached the economy of scale needed to truly end the need for "industrial revolution" style jobs. And AI will take longer than scaling up robot production, so there will be a need for piloting, and the world won't starve for lack of a few good "button pushers."

  13. Re:Blah blah blah by c0d3g33k · · Score: 4, Funny

    The same old tired promises we've been hearing since 2007. Where's the beef?

    Not at Taco Bell, apparently.

  14. A few thoughts on the matter by plopez · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Here are my thoughts on the matter.

    First off, the biggest obstacle to American success is China and their unfair trade practices. By keeping their currency pegged to the US dollar at artificially low rate they are creating trade barriers to real free trade. One argument to let them get away with it is that they are a developing nation. This is false, even before they opened up to western trade China had a huge infrastructure developed. They had railroads, canals, heavy industry, chemical plants, and universities producing large numbers of well trained engineers and scientists. They had advantages many nations in Africa would envy. They need to be treated as a first rate economic nation. Another side effect that China's policies have is that it can drive down wages and development in true developing countries by under bidding them on products. I don't think this is what anyone intends. China must be forced to change.

    Another obstacle is NAFTA. The theory behind NAFTA was that Mexico would provide low end goods to the US and Canada at wages better than the Mexicans had had before NAFTA. The US and Canada would sell expertise and high end manufacturing equipment to help US manufacturing. One provision Mexico had to meet before signing NAFTA was "land reform". This land reform threw some 1/3 of the Mexican farm labor force off the land, who then headed to the border cities such as Juarez to work in the factories or the US as illegal immigrants. The brutally drove down the cost of labor in MEXICO and the US. Mexican factories merely substituted cheap labor for more efficient manufacturing. And since this "land reform" occurred before NAFTA was signed the disingenuous argument is that NAFTA had nothing to do with this effect. NAFTA must go, all it did was enrich corporations and not people. NAFTA is a poster child for globalization's failure.

    I have been questioning now is the conventional economic wisdom that the tight coupling of economies since this latest financial crisis. We are in a situation now where a crisis in one country can affect a host of others. Much like mountain climbers roped together, if one climber falls the entire string of climbers may plunge to their deaths. There needs to be "firewalls" between nations to prevent, slow, or buffer the effects of a crisis. Some may argue that this may be inefficient, I will argue that destroying the global economy is even worse.

    Overall I think that Capitalism and conventional economic theory has failed. We need to revisit the basic assumptions of how economies must be run. Two things I think we should do are
    1) have economies and financial systems that serve people, not vice versa

    2) With my respects to Mr. Dubcek, develop Capitalism with a human face. Corporations are not people and should not be treated as such, and the people running the corporations should not be allowed to hide behind the corporation. There must be accountability.

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  15. Such an angry young man by MpVpRb · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You need to realize that grouping all people of a certain age into a "generation", and accusing all of them is silly.

    I have disagreed with a lot of the stuff done by the government for over 40 years. It's not my fault.

  16. Non-story, shock-jock-journalism with no insight by baerm · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why is this listed as news? This is entertainment at best, and pretty poor entertainment at that. If I wanted useless drivle like this, I would be watching any of the major TV channel tabloidainment shows instead of reading slashdot.

    Cmdr Taco owes me 10 minutes.

  17. Re:OMG! Really? by tragedy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Disturbingly, that's not as 100% true as you think. There are some cases of local laws in various places also being privately held copyrighted material and/or "trade secrets" of various organizations. The most common example of this are laws covering zoning and construction written by local engineering forms which then charge money for copies. The bigger concern isn't petty local corruption like that, however, it's actually things like case law and various binding legal interpretations by the legislative and executive branch. Case law has traditionally largely only been accessible by contracting with private firms with virtual monopolies on republishing them. Aside from that, we're increasingly seeing (or not seeing) more and more binding decisions being made by secret courts and various executive offices which in some cases aren't even accessible by Congress. We're also more and more seeing what amounts to superuser permissions to create binding policy equivalent to laws being handed off to more and more agencies.

    Consider no fly lists. We know that certain people aren't allowed on airplanes. We don't know which people, and we don't know why, and we don't know which things we might do that might get us put on the list, or on other lists which we don't even know about. The rationale in that particular example is that flying is a privilege, not a right, and therefore having it taken away is not a punishment. Clearly that's a load of nonsense. Traveling about the country is certainly a right, and removing of the more convenient ways to do that is a curtailment of that right. If that argument is faulty, that means that it's acceptable to refuse registered voters entrance to polling places because it only inconveniences them and they can find another way to vote. Even if being able to board planes is a privilege and not a right, removal of privileges that everyone enjoys by default still qualifies as a punishment by any sane definition.

  18. Get edumicated. by Viewsonic · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You need to do some research. The only high speed rail the USA has is the Acela line, which is run by Amtrak. It brings in an absolute *ton* of money. It is full all the time, self sustaining, and brings major profits to the states it runs through. The cost of getting this type of line through the entire USA is negligible for the amount of money (and jobs) it would bring to each of the states. While not as fast as those in Europe and Japan, it is being upgraded to those speeds and will allow for more passengers (and profit). There is zero credibility to any claims made that high speed rail in the USA would be unprofitable, rarely used, and a money drain. The only example we have is the Amtrak Acela line, and it is huge success in every aspect.

  19. Re:Blah blah blah by Rei · · Score: 5, Informative

    Just to shed some facts on the rhetoric: PolitiFact tracks all of the promises Obama made during the campaign and categorizes them. At present, the results are:

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/

    Promise Kept: 134
    Compromise: 34
    Promise Broken: 34
    Stalled: 71
    In The Works: 220
    Not Yet Rated: 2

    "Promise Kept" means he promised it, and has already delivered it largely in-tact (example: Lily Ledbetter Fairl Pay Act). "Compromise" means that he promised it, and managed to get it through congress, but had to compromise or water it down to get it passed (example: a lot of the stuff related to Healthcare). "Promise Broken" means that he promised it, but didn't even try or gave up (example: having a public review period for all bills before signing them). "Stalled" means he's still supporting it, but hasn't been making much progress (difficulties in implementation, congressional obstruction, etc) (example: closing Guantanamo). "In The Works" means that he's pushing it, but it hasn't yet made it to through congress (example: eliminating oil and gas tax loopholes).

    Consider that net result as positively or negatively about him as you prefer.

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