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Google Censors "Piracy Terms" From Instant Search

Chaonici writes "A few weeks ago, Google promised that, on behalf of the entertainment industries, they would begin filtering 'piracy related' terms from their search system. Now, TorrentFreak reports that Google has lived up to their promise, and certain keywords (such as 'bittorrent' and 'rapidshare') will no longer produce results with the Autocomplete or Instant Search features. The standard search feature, however, continues to display results as normal. Simon Morris of BitTorrent Inc., RapidShare, and Jamie King (the founder of Vodo) are critical of the change, pointing out the many legitimate uses of popular file-sharing technology."

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  1. Bloody Hell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Great, now I need to find a new search engine... I thought Google was anti censor... and had a don't be evil policy...

    1. Re:Bloody Hell by RobbieThe1st · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Do notice that they -didn't censor anything! All they did is hide certain terms from the auto-complete. Big deal. There's plenty of other words in that "censored" list. Now, they can claim to be "helping prevent piracy" or whatever without actually doing anything. I see it as a win-win situation.

    2. Re:Bloody Hell by dkleinsc · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, my searches on "nine-pounder", "pieces of eight", "scurvy dogs", and "Arrrrrrr" all totally failed.

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    3. Re:Bloody Hell by mwvdlee · · Score: 4, Funny

      Oddly enough, other piracy related search terms like "pegleg", "eyepatch" and "jolly roger" are still auto-completed.

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    4. Re:Bloody Hell by Tim+C · · Score: 2

      Others might say that doing this opens the door to doing more in the future. So it's auto-completing of "piracy-related" search terms today; perhaps next year it'll be removing search results for wikileaks-style information.

      (Yeah, I know, slippery-slope fallacy, etc)

      Just because the thing being searched for is arguably wrong, doesn't mean that this isn't also a worrying development.

    5. Re:Bloody Hell by nanospook · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So I have a 75% hearing loss. I go to the movies anyways and enjoy the show but can't understand most of the script. So now if I want to do so I should go buy the movie or pay more to rent it? Noooo.. I download it and get the subtitles. I already paid for it. Does this make me evil?

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    6. Re:Bloody Hell by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well, you robbed them of profit that they never even had, so yes. You are a very, very evil individual.

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    7. Re:Bloody Hell by HungryHobo · · Score: 4, Funny

      "can i get pregnant from a dog" however is still autocompleted.
      Seriously, I keep meaning to write some kind of program to itterate through all the possible autocomplete options to see all the wierd stuff which turns up.

      there's already lots of things which aren't autocompleted.
      it's no big deal.
      as long as their search still works they can autocomplete what they like.

    8. Re:Bloody Hell by Dreth · · Score: 2

      Do you remember those days when Google didn't have the fancy-schmancy auto-complete or instant-search? I do, because I never used them, so this doesn't affect me in the slightest.

      If you're gonna search for The Red Dragon torrent, you KNOW you're gonna have to type it out, instead of waiting for Google to finish the phrase for you. So basically you are whining that you're gonna have to type search inquiries, are we really this lazy?

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    9. Re:Bloody Hell by LordLimecat · · Score: 2

      Except that every story on google results censoring so far has been about auto-complete and instant serach only. Pressing search on google is not censored in any way I am aware of.

    10. Re:Bloody Hell by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 2

      Do notice that they -didn't censor anything! All they did is hide certain terms from the auto-complete.

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      "Oh yes, well as soon as I heard I went straight round to see them, yesterday afternoon. You hadn't exactly gone out of your way to call attention to them had you? I mean like actually telling anybody or anything."
      "But the plans were on display ..."
      "On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them."
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    11. Re:Bloody Hell by Idbar · · Score: 2

      Great! Now I have to actually type the full word and hit enter or even worse, click on the freaking search button! Just they way I used to do before I had this annoying instant search. /s

    12. Re:Bloody Hell by Idbar · · Score: 2

      Just try to add some "sleep" to your iterations. Last time I tried a script to gather information from Google, I was banned from searching for a couple of hours.

    13. Re:Bloody Hell by Travelsonic · · Score: 2

      Do notice that they -didn't censor anything! All they did is hide certain terms from the auto-complete

      Wouldn't that be /partial/ censoring?

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    14. Re:Bloody Hell by node+3 · · Score: 2

      Do notice that they -didn't censor anything! All they did is hide certain terms from the auto-complete.

      That's exactly what "censor" means. Certain words are censored from their search results.

      Big deal. There's plenty of other words in that "censored" list.

      Such as? I know they filtered their search results to help weed out malware. Also, there may be some words (like "the") which are ignored, but I'm unaware of any legitimate words like "bittorrent" that are outright censored like this.

      Now, they can claim to be "helping prevent piracy" or whatever without actually doing anything. I see it as a win-win situation.

      Win (Google) - Win (MPAA/RIAA) - Lose (Google's actual users).

      There's absolutely no way whatsoever that this helps anyone searching for bittorrent and the like. Search for "ubuntu torrent" and watch as autosuggest/autocomplete completely leaves you flat. Now try the same search on Bing. It's a dark, dark day when Microsoft (Microsoft!!!) provides an outright better search experience than Google, but that's exactly what they're doing.

  2. Applies only to incomplete words by PARENA · · Score: 4, Informative

    The summary is misleading. This only refers to incomplete words. If you type "bitt" or "rapidsh" you won't get the (desired?) results, but if you type "bittorrent" or "rapidshare" you will get the results you expect.

    Apart from that, it's quite childish. Also "pirate" gives me results leading to The Pirate Bay, for example.

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    1. Re:Applies only to incomplete words by bughunter · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yes, it only applies to autocomplete. But since this story hit the media a month ago, I've been watching how I use autocomplete, and learned something:

      I use autocomplete to help me phrase my search terms, almost subconsciously. Any geek knows that phrasing a search is the key to getting proper results. I will frequently use the autocomplete to validate or invalidate several attempts at phrasing the search before I hit enter. Same goes for spelling. Autocomplete results in me creating more successful searches with more pertinent results.

      Now, I seldom use this for porn because, 1) i use filestube as my porn search engine, and 2) I usually don't need help phrasing a search for "big butts." (And, I've noticed that Google autocomplete stopped working for pornstar names a long time ago, far earlier than their announcement in late 2010.)

      But, for torrents, autocomplete is sometimes a valuable tool. No, I don't need it, but the responsiveness of autocomplete is an aid to the thought process of editing the search phrase. If they start extending their autocomplete bannination to other topics, I'd start getting concerned. Right now it's only the top of a slope which may or may not be slippery.

      But "its just autocomplete" isn't a valid excuse, for several reasons. Google is making editorial decisions when they're relied upon to be a neutral, content-independent indexing service. It scares some people because, there's no easier and more effective way to censor something than to cripple its index entries. What's next?

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    2. Re:Applies only to incomplete words by binkzz · · Score: 2

      I have yet to see a story about "google censors search terms when you click search".

      That's because Google censors searches for those stories.

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  3. Not a big deal by cpu6502 · · Score: 2

    This just means Google will not autofill "torrent" just as they don't autofill "breast".
          - But that certainly hasn't stopped people from searching for porn, and won't stop them from searching for free music/TV shows either.

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    1. Re:Not a big deal by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The problem is that they filter "breast" on what they think might be offensive to us.

      No, they filter breast on what they think might be offensive to the 'think of the children' crowd. They filter 'torrent' based on what is offensive to a different pressure group.

      If they were filtering based on what might be offensive to you, then it would be opt-in.

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  4. Warez Terms by CynicTheHedgehog · · Score: 2

    Back in the day, searching for illegal downloads using normal search terms didn't really yield any useful results. Instead, you had to add "z" to the end of everything ... for example "warez", "mp3z", "serialz", etc. And now "torrentz" I suppose. So I doubt that censoring copyright-infringement vernacular will have any impact whatsoever on legitimate uses of P2P software, especially considering that normal search terms will result in any number of legitimate MP3/video download sites. And for crying out loud, it's on the *instant* search, which has got to be the least useful feature I have ever seen in any search engine.

  5. Get a grip! by jareth-0205 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just press like you used to! Jeez, they just don't want people in sensitive places getting potentially dodgy links coming up on their screens. I know when i'm at work I'd rather not have pirate sites coming up on my search result screen while I'm typing...

  6. Awesome! by just_another_sean · · Score: 3, Informative

    That's great, so now I just have to start my search with "torrent" or "arrrr" and I won't have to suffer through Google's rediculous "instant" crap? Sign me up!

    In all seriousness; if you like Google just blacklist it for JavaScript, no more instant results. Or search from the address bar. Or, best option IMHO, use https://ixquick.com./ *

    * google it for more details!

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  7. Keywords not even really necessary by ifrag · · Score: 2

    Given that filenames have taken a relatively standard form in torrent circles, the material can be found without specifying any more than the general name form.

    Simply using: "[name of show] s##e##" will typically lead to torrent results without any other keywords. Usually occupying at least the top few listed results.

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  8. Re:Pre-punishing system SUCKS by Haedrian · · Score: 2

    If I'm looking for "Torrential Rains in [Country]" at work or at a public location, I dont' want google to offer me

    "Free Torrents for your favourite shows" or whatever in the instant search results. If I truly AM looking for torrents, I can easily type in "Torrents" and press that magic button on top of the right shift.

    BAM. Torrents.

    Just if you're not activly looking for them, you won't stumble upon any. Is this so hard?

  9. Censor is a bad word choice here. by TheReij · · Score: 2

    I'd say remove. They aren't censoring the search, they're just removing it from the autocomplete queue. Alarmist alarmism is alarming.

    I bet the Bittorent guys are F'ing pissed right now. It sucks that a great technology like Bittorrent immediately gets the spotlight on it's seedier uses as opposed to the really good ones (like legitimate releases of software that take the load off of individual servers).

    /in before the google hate?

  10. Does not jibe 100% with "do no evil" by blind+biker · · Score: 2

    And yes, if you want to know, I am not sure "pirates" are evil. A decade ago I was rather clearly against software, music and video "piracy". Not anymore.

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  11. probably prudent by Trepidity · · Score: 3, Informative

    As others have noted, they're not filtering any results. They're just not suggesting piracy-related terms in the autocomplete, along with some other filtered terms like sex-related terms. Probably a prudent decision, because while returning search results for a query the user entered is fairly safe legally, prompting the user with something illegal that they didn't actively look for might be more questionable. Not sure if they could actually be liable, but it at least is less solid.

  12. Baby/bathwater by mwvdlee · · Score: 3, Informative

    Besides "bittorrent", "rapidshare" and a couple of other, the following words are now also unable to auto-complete:

    http://www.morewords.com/starts-with/bitt/
    http://www.morewords.com/starts-with/rapid/
    http://www.morewords.com/starts-with/torr/

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  13. More? by Bert64 · · Score: 2

    They should also filter searches for other things that are used to facilitate copyright infringement...

    FTP, IRC and HTTP - all have been used for downloading warez a lot longer than bittorrent or rapidshare.
    Microsoft & Windows - the most popular platform both in terms of being copied, and in terms of being used by those that do the copying (far less linux users use warez, because there is far less software for linux that its even possibly to acquire this way).
    Any form of commercially sold media - if everything were given away freely, there would be no "pirates"...
    And dont forget anything to do with ships or seafaring, pirates need ships...

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  14. So what? by Restil · · Score: 2

    They're not censoring anything, they're just filtering the results of the annoying autocomplete, which I hate anyway. If someone is really looking for a linux torrent, they'll just have to click the damn button. The absolute legitimacy of torrents will not be denied in spite of this.

    -Restil

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  15. America, entertainment industry's bitch. by unity100 · · Score: 2

    there is no more polite way to say it. the entire country has become a whore bowing to every whim of a group of corporations. even the technically incorrect, capricious ones like these - thinking that censoring certain words will accomplish what they want.

    even google now. no wonder they are producing stuff like american idol etc to keep the public sleeping.

  16. Google's blacklist is oddly weak by Prikolist · · Score: 2

    Just a few more in the list, and just as weak as their previous filtering attempts. Someone put up this site almost immediately when instant search came out http://www.2600.com/googleblacklist/ and it points quite a lot of funny examples or words that do or don't get filtered very inconsistently. Mind you, if you enter "bit" it shows bitcomet (a bittorrent client), doesn't filter out eMule and other non-torrent P2P programs, and for "thep" or "pir" the first result is thepiratebay. Doesn't filter out any other trackers that I know of either. For autocomplete it's no different, even better - shows an ad for thepiratebay on top of the suggestions and lists more torrent clients.
    Clearly it's not an effective censorship/filtering of any sort, which leads me to wonder why exactly is it that way. I doubt Google programmers are stupid and would miss a lot of obvious things. What's more likely is that they aren't comfortable with this either and try to block as little as possible - just enough to satisfy managers and/or companies complaining.

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  17. how about "censoring" dealers by k6mfw · · Score: 2

    When doing a search on some particular device, I get tons of results that point toward dealers selling crap or worse, links to ebay listings. I remember years ago when I search for something, i..e JVC 5000U, I get various articles (useful ones, not promotional junk) or webpages by individuals describing how they use or hack such items.

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    1. Re:how about "censoring" dealers by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 2

      I'd mod you up if I could! Google searching is starting to become a nuisance since just about every search dumps a bunch of vendors on your lap when you're looking for topical information. I've had slightly better luck with Bing, but I'm sure they'll go the same route if their market share starts to increase.

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