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Chrome Is the Third Double-Digit Browser
An anonymous reader writes "Google's Chrome has taken the 10% market share hurdle, according to Net Applications and is past 15%, according to StatCounter. It is interesting to see that IE is declining at an accelerating pace and IE9 Beta cannot, despite the massive marketing campaign, dent Chrome's growth, while Firefox is holding on to what it has. It almost seems as if IE9 will not be able to turn around the decline of IE."
Studies also show that due to the icon, most Chrome users thought they were downloading a Pokemon application.
There's no -1 for "I don't get it."
Sometimes integration is a bitch.
Integration is always a bitch. I find derivatives far easier to calculate.
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And no doubt MS is getting worried about this. I wonder what part of Bing's success is due to it being the default search in IE. If IE loses share then their ability to push Bing also slides.
It's interesting to note that according to Net Applications stats IE may drop to under 50% market share sometime in the middle of this year.
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Why would a beta of the browser stop the transition? It's clearly aimed at web developers and designers for testing, not at general populace. That's also where all the marketing is at. Actual users only see IE8 (if that!), and Chrome, of course, soundly beats it.
The only way to see if IE9 can turn the tide is to wait until it gets released (and rolled out to Windows Update, at least as optional update).
If you really want to compare the numbers, how about Chrome beta/dev installs vs IE9 installs?
im thanking my lucky stars, heavens, whatever god/deities that are present out there, for this day.
... gimme a break ...
even as of this VERY moment, i am having to battle with standard incompliance of various ie versions (including next ones) and the different 'interpretations' they have of the same fucking pages than other browsers.
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I switched back to Firefox from Chrome.
Chrome is nice, a bit under featured, poor ad blocking (although it has gotten better its still slower and not as good as firefox.
In general, Firefox is faster than chrome all around. Even on older hardware, Firefox scrolls better than Chrome.
Firefox's bookmark manager is much nicer. I loved how chrome syncs your bookmarks but now that FireFox has it built in as well, I'm plenty happy.
Firefox has better color management. Chrome nice but... It still has that slight sluggish feeling about how it renders pages.
The new Firefox betas are looking and performing very well, so well that I switched back from chrome.
Chrome's ad-blocker isnt as fast as the firefox version of ad-block. Chrome is still a bit wonky in that area.
This isn't about X being less evil than Y. The more web browser options that are out there and the more evenly distributed their populations become on the internet, the safer we are from closed, non-free, or just browser-exclusive extensions rotting the platform.
I think it's great that Chrome has surpassed the psychological (but purely arbitrary) milestone of rendering web pages for a double-digit percentage of the internet's population. But the moment they have too much of the percentage is when my approval becomes concern.
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Generally speaking, any site that uses browser detection and refuses to support an unknown browser (or specifically refuses Chrome) will not be visited by me. I can understand using browser detection to refuse to support IE6, or perhaps even IE7. Afterall, those two browsers often require work-arounds to display standards-compliant content. But the default assumption should be the a browser is compliant unless it is otherwise known not to be. If you've coded your site in such a way that it can only work on IE6/IE7, then shame on you. If you've coded your site to presume unknown browsers are non-compliant, double shame on you.
If I follow your math correctly, then in just one year, 101% of internet users (17% + (7% * 12)) will be using WebKit browsers, leaving just -1% left to split between Mozilla-derived, Opera, and Internet Explorer!
Have Google or Facebook corrupted standards organizations? Threatened OEMs? Illegally abused monopolies to gain market share in other markets and lock out competitors? Massacred standards to create lock-in?
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...and this new version of Slashdot looks horrible in all of them, and doesn't work as well as the previous version in any of them.
I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.
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I read TFA and all I got was this lousy cookie
OK, then, I shall try again.
If I follow your math correctly, then in just 27 months, over 105% of internet users (17% * (107% ^ 27)) will be using WebKit browsers!
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Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
Woops, here is the correct url: http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
Netscape Navigator had to have had double digit market share. Not to mention NCSA Mosaic. Probably a couple of the early text only browsers had doubt digit share too. At best Chrome is the fifth probably less than that even to reach double digit share. And yes I realize the headline was probably meant to apply only to current browsers. It's fun to be literal :D
This correlates to IE market loss, so it is reasonable to suggest that chrome users are abandoning IE.
The simple fact could be that Chrome does not require administrator privileges to install. Users at offices where we are not given admin rights can install Chrome over IE and use it without slogging through a helpdesk ticket for something IT deems unnecessary. This may account for the growth we see as users are looking for more freedom and the bells and whistles a more modern browser with the ability to install extensions without needing better permissions.
Perhaps we are seeing a leveling out as those who want a different browser are finally being exhausted and entering a "long tail phase".
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Pfft, I lick my Ethernet cable to get raw frames, bitches!
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All of the browsers you mention likely have user bases that equate to rounding errors in these stats.
No, I'm not doing it incorrectly. Short term growth trends which are well below some limit are completely sustainable, and in practice are usually sustained until they start to approach their peak saturation. Also, it's not necessary for them to sustain a 7% monthly growth to achieve the result I stated. They're currently gaining approximately 1% of the traffic per month. While that's currently 7%, the percentage growth needed to gain an additional 1% traffic volume will decrease from 7% to about 4% over the next 6--9 months. Nor do they need to gain the same 1% of traffic volume every month to actually reach a total approaching 25%.
Therefore, my 6-9 month trend extrapolation is completely valid and likely, but by no means certain. The other responder's comments and extrapolations are not what I stated, and they are not valid. His calculations are covered by the referenced XKCD, however, mine are not because mine are actually based upon proper trend prediction statistics, not some arbitrary constant growth.
Now, go learn something about statistics and get back to me when you have a valid criticism of my extrapolation.
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Chrome has a fundamental flaw, lack of customization. For example, you can't even customize your history, something that every browser since Netscape and IE have been able to do. But somehow in Chrome there is no ability to switch between full history and super-ultra-privacy mode. Not to mention there is no Chrome equivalent to about:config that Firefox has. As someone who likes to customize my most used piece of software how I like it, Chrome just fails in that regard. If Chrome was as customizable as Firefox, I would use Chrome as my primary browser, but since it doesn't have customization features that even IE has... I'm sticking with Firefox until it becomes completely unusable.
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No, because you made an assumption about the extrapolation that the math (and statistic trend projection) don't support. You assumed a 7% monthly growth indefinitely. I never made such a claim. There are many reasons that 6 months is ok, but 27 months is not. The first is that clearly by 27 months, you've exceeded 100%, which isn't possible. You can only sustain a growth curve on a limited result for a short time. As you approach the limit, the growth must slow down, and eventually stop. You also assumed geometric growth, 7% per month. While that's the current value, my numbers are not based upon geometric growth, but rather short term linear growth, that is increasing their market share approximately 1% per month. By the time they're approaching 25% market share, that's only 4% geometric growth. Note also that I said about 6 months, meaning that I don't expect it happen in exactly 6 months, it may take 9. Your assumptions about my statement are the flaw, not my initial statement.
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It happens. An airline company had to access my banking account and it only worked in IE. I struggled a little to understand what was going on, since all that I got was a "problem connecting to the banking services - please retry", then called support and the bastards politely told me to fuck off like this:
-Hi, I'm trying to pay for my ticket and can't. I've tried using Firefox and Chrome.
-You must use IE.
-Yeah... I actually don't use Windows. Is there some other way?
-Click Start, then IE.
-I'm telling you I can't. Are you telling me there isn't any way that I can buy from you guys if I don't also buy a Windows license that costs more than the plane ticket I'm trying to purchase?
-Is there anything else I can help you with?
Then people ask how a reasonable, sane person turns into RMS. Dealing with this sort of crap on a daily basis.
Balanced people: "So....why should I care? Oh yeah, Microsoft's evil."
As a balanced person (I'm running OS X, Win7, Vista, OpenSuse, and Ubuntu currently); I'd be happy if Chrome/ium, IE, and Firefox were split down the middle. I would be happier if their were ten mainstream browsers with 10% usage. Competition is good.
IE benefited greatly from Firefox. Firefox might benefit from Chrome being around (it needs to, it has turned into a fat, sloppy, unfocused mess). Chrome might benefit from poor old Opera. And Opera will sit in a corner and feel depressed that no one loves it.
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Surely you could just stop going to sites which have adverts you don't like? It seems a bit cheap to use a site's bandwidth, for content you clearly like, and not want to repay them by just being served a few adverts. You don't even have to click them for the site to get money.
Chrome is an awesome browser, though. Version 10 is sweet.
Well, just like with the Firefox NoScript extension, you have to allow scripts from certain sites. For slashdot it is slashdot.org and fsdn.com.
Quoting WP:
A footnote in Mozilla's 2006 financial report states "Mozilla has a contract with a search engine provider for royalties. The contract originally expired in November 2006, however Google renewed the contract until November 2008 and has now renewed the contract through 2011.[8] Approximately 85% of Mozillaâ(TM)s revenue for 2006 was derived from this contract."
The financial FAQ dated November 18, 2010 says:
What is the status of the organization's contract with Google?
We have had a productive relationship with Google since 2004 and that relationship remains healthy. To date, we have renewed our contract three times, in 2005, 2006 and 2008. The current version extends through 2011.
So through 2011 Mozilla has a very good deal. But then Google didn't have a browser of their own and desperately needed Mozilla to break the IE monopoly. I suspect that these negotiations will go quite differently. I'm sure the deal will be extended but I doubt the terms will be anywhere near as favorable as they have been. Google has seen how easily they can now push their own browser into the market, they don't "need" Firefox that much anymore. And from a strict business point of view, where would they go? Bing? Yeah, I'm sure the open source community would love Microsoft as their default search engine. Not to mention that currently Chrome has targeted the IE holdouts. If they go their separate ways, Google will do their best to win Firefox users too. I'd put good money on the browser market looking completely changed in 2-3 years.
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