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Internet Groups To Stream Live IPv4/6 Announcement
revealingheart writes "On Thursday, 3 February 2011, at 9:30 AM Eastern Standard Time (EST) [14:30 UTC/GMT], the Number Resource Organization (NRO), along with the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, the Internet Society (ISOC) and the Internet Architecture Board (IAB) will be holding a ceremony and press conference to make a significant announcement and to discuss the global transition to the next generation of Internet addresses. We invite all interested community members to view the webcast of this event."
The transition is so seamless that there has to be a massive function to signal that change must occur now, not just should have. Pretty good fail there.
Disagree != mod troll.
the robotic overlords invite us to the news of the millenia!
This is 14:30 GMT (At time of posting, it will start in 45 minutes).
long live the internet (IP6)
...the issue of a Papal Bull declaring that NAT Is Evil, perhaps with an international treaty to ban it? It's a shame Princess Diana isn't still alive - she'd probably have more consensus with that than tackling land mines.
(Too soon?)
"Yes, we have no bananas."
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No awareness of timezones whatsoever.
It's going to be 6:30 in California, people!
Sheesh, if you want people to watch your announcement live, you need to schedule it when as many folks as possible are AWAKE.
At least, that's what the ISPs have largely been thinking on the ipv4 / ipv6 switch. And it's completely understandable why - ipv6 is a significant investment, while sticking to ipv4 is short-term more profitable. In addition, they may be thinking that they can make the other ISPs or even other countries do all the work for them.
The economics of it are probably no different than any theoretical global environmental problem: It affects everybody, but nobody wants to pay to fix it, and nobody will until either the situation is dire or they're forced to (typically by treaties and government action, but possibly an industry association in this case).
I am officially gone from
Can somebody tell them to kill the buzz on the audio?
My God! It's full of eval()'s.
Two IPv6 addresses for the price of one (allocation only. Domain name services extra).
I wonder how many of the representatives of these public-funded organisations are attending using teleconferencing and how many took an all-expenses trip to Miami
Free IPs for the masses! A chicken in every pot, a car in every garage, and a routable IP for every device!
A lot of small ISPs are on the edge as it is, and they simply cannot afford to make a switch to IPv6. A lot of them are just AT&T resellers so no great loss, but a few of them also provide services that the death star won't touch, like multihop microwave links to serve obscure neighborhoods.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
I wanted to watch it, but it seems they started early :(
Past that, can't view on Firefox 3.6 or 4 on Linux amd64. Tried it in Firefox on Windows XP in VMware Player 3 and my system became unresponsive (thanks, VMware!) Didn't hang, I could see occasional disk activity. Windows media stream link is 404.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
do i hav2 download smething? it wil still wrk on my comp right?,,,i mean inetrnet?
It's like watching your baby grow up and leave home...
I couldn't help crying a little when they gave APNIC 103.0.0.0/8
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I was planning to watch it since yesterday, but all I see right now is "Error establishing a database connection".
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You would think that the people "running the internet" could make sure the video didn't cut out every 3 seconds.
The economics of it are probably no different than any theoretical global environmental problem: It affects everybody, but nobody wants to pay to fix it, and nobody will until either the situation is dire or they're forced to (typically by treaties and government action, but possibly an industry association in this case).
Actually, the address space problem is real, so it isn't like the Church of Anthropomorphic Climate Change at all. You will be too busy calling me a heretic (denier, in your dogma) to see that though...
What's the point in streaming an announcement if NOBODY HAS AN IP? :P
They're literally handing over tokens of the last IP blocks to the representatives of the regional registries... The mood is like that of a graduation ceremony: Looking back on the work they've done together, but with a sense that things will change and this date marks both the end of a bygone era and the start of a new era.
"On behalf of ICANN and IANA, I am out of IPv4 addresses..."
Interesting times.
So, for those of us with connectivity problems/missing the announcement/it started early, what happened?
It is 9:55 AM EST. On the conference call number they just announced that they will be starting shortly.. .
"Trusting every aspect of our lives to a giant computer was the smartest thing we ever did.." Homer Simpson
What's the point of IANA, now that they've given out all their numbers?
/8's can form a new organization to govern themselves now. And I can imagine they have a few good reasons to do it.
Seriously, the holders of the various
The only thing that will keep IANA relevant will be IPv6.
Classic comment in a call from the uk... If the last blocks of ipv4 have been assigned already... What's the actual news today?
Why aren;t the adresses in 224.0.1.0- 238.255.255.255 made available? Are there any implementation that actually USE these adress (Yes, i know a lot of firewall block these as not supported ... but why?)
According to my clock, it's now 10:45 EST. I checked the links above but nobody as posted what the "big announcement" was all about.
185/8 allocated to RIPE
OMG Olaf just told everyone they should not even notice the change over when asked what people needed to buy or do to get on IPv6!!
"I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than have to have a frontal lobotomy."
No awareness of the world whatsoever.
It's going to be 15:30 in Europe, people!
Sheesh, if you want to talk about the internet: since when is the internet bounded by the borders of the USA?
Sig?
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I'm hearing the IANA IPv4 address pool is now completely depleted, but neither of the 2 ISPs I use (cable & dsl) provides v6 connectivity.
When are big ISPs going to adopt ipv6 ?
ipv6 connection support check here : http://ipv6-test.com
I feel like they did a pretty poor job explaining to the layman what exactly the difference is between IPv4 and IPv6.
They really need to stress that sticking with IPv4 isn't an option, its not like 6 is some new hotness that we're trying to sell to them. 4 has a limited number of addresses, and we're running out. If we do run out, then we have big problems. The internet stops working the way you want. However, most people are already IPv6 capable, and its just the ISPs and major online services which need to adapt.
I get the feeling from most of the questions that people were really lost.
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Bring back NAT-PT! It was prematurely obsoleted due to scalability concerns. Those concerns are indeed valid, but only for large networks. On a home network with a couple of users it is a perfectly viable solution. Put NAT-PT on a router appliance, give it an IPv6 address, and it will let the home network transparently pretend that IPv6 does not exist. Yes, there are a few obvious problems with the few protocols that send IP addresses, like bittorrent, but a simple client fix can easily send hostnames instead. Otherwise, it will just work, and nobody will have to care about IPv6 except ISPs.
Many of the transition problems arise from the insistence that everybody want IPv6. Normal people don't care about IPv6, don't want IPv6, and couldn't care less what it is. Instead of starting to convert from the bottom up, with users going IPv6 first on their home networks, and then the ISPs and backbones switching when everybody has moved, do it the other way around. Convert the backbones to IPv6 down to ISP level. Then the consumers can use NAT-PT appliances to pretend that that did not happen and keep on going without any disruption.
From http://www.nro.net/news/ipv4-free-pool-depleted: "Montevideo, 3 February 2011 – The Number Resource Organization (NRO) announced today that the free pool of available IPv4 addresses is now fully depleted. On Monday, January 31, the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) allocated two blocks of IPv4 address space to APNIC, the Regional Internet Registry (RIR) for the Asia Pacific region, which triggered a global policy to allocate the remaining IANA pool equally between the five RIRs. Today IANA allocated those blocks. This means that there are no longer any IPv4 addresses available for allocation from the IANA to the five RIRs."
Have IANA rent v4 IP address space at a dollar a year per IP.
Cheap as hell if you're not wasting it.
Presently, people sitting on piles of v4's they aren't using have ZERO incentive to cough them up without a fight, particularly if there's profit to be had subletting them to desperate folks willing to pay an arm and a leg for connectivity because all the v4s are already taken by the same sorts of greedy bastards that are loaning them downstream numbers in the first place.
So when will we be able to use special characters in our addresses?
seems to me that 26 letters is not only limiting, but also not very divers.
A top level address would then cost ~16mil per year-- not unreasonable. But since this trickles down the wholesale market to smaller ISPs, then to the end user, and there's profit to be had, and its supply driven, then the poor end user gets nailed with huge costs for a few addresses.
Unless you like the idea of routing tables the size of the moon.
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At the current rate of growth, how long till we need v8?
If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people
I'm reading this article at 10:19 Mountain, and you said that this surprise webcast is at 9 something eastern. Now I can't post this on /. because I'm on IP@$%#%^
It's going to be 15:30 in Europe, people!
You know, there are quite big parts of Europe which are *not* in CET timezone.
In fact, most populous city in Europe is in GMT+3 (MSK), not GMT+1 (CET)...
Yes, there always needs to be some incentive to force them to make a change. However, a market itself will be force enough to force it. Not yet though for those looking only on short-term (and hence losing market in the long term) - I guess it will be at least two to three years before interesting stuff appears on internet as IPv6-only, and IPv4-only people will not be able to get to those. But from that moment onward, it will start hitting such IPv4-only ISPs harder and harder every day with customers leaving for ISPs that lets them see "whole Internet" without blackholes.
IANA kept track of other kinds of numbers besides IPv4 addresses, and their job wasn't just to hand out unique numbers, but to keep track of who owns the numbers that are out there. And if you think IPv4 number ownership is going to stay stable now that they're all gone and you can only get them from other people, you may be a bit surprised.
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I didn't mention mention climate change at all, and the problem is hardly limited to climate change. The same thing happened with issues like fish stock depletion, the antarctic ozone hole, and acid rain, all of which were documented to have happened, be anthropogenic, and damaging to both humans and the natural world.
I am officially gone from
A lot of small ISPs are on the edge as it is, and they simply cannot afford to make a switch to IPv6. A lot of them are just AT&T resellers so no great loss, but a few of them also provide services that the death star won't touch, like multihop microwave links to serve obscure neighborhoods.
WHAT? Maybe in your country. Here in Canada, the small ISPs have been at the forefront of IPv6 while the large ones and the backbone providers have actually ignored it!
IPv6 doesn't require additional "investment" to function. It is actually much cheaper to deploy IPv6 than IPv4. There are ISPs around the world, especially small ones, that will only provide IPv6 address and IPv4 is via NAT only.
On the downside, you're right, I agree that public IPv4 addresses will become something which becomes more expensive.
One of the things right now which is fighting against the wider adoption of IPv6 is that there's "no demand from end users" for IPv6. If you're ISP starts charging (or for people already paying for a static address or block, starts charging considerably more) for public IPv4 addresses, and people know that by switching to IPv6 they get free addresses, that creates demand for IPv6 ISP support, home routers, etc. If you can save $60/year using IPv6, as a home user, or hundreds to thousands of dollars a year for larger organizations, it might be financially worthwhile upgrading.
All of this sensationalism is just a scam to put fear in people to help increase demand and drive up prices at the regional registries. Even when they "run out", you'll still be able to find address blocks if you know where to look.
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I recently bought some /20 networks from a friend of mine in California who runs the 249.0.0.0/8 network block. /16 /20
- $US 28995 per
- $US 8095 per
They're guaranteed to be virgin unused network blocks.
+1 310 823 9358 (the secret code for first-time callers is "I'm calling about the classy net blocks")
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For those without a budget for fresh addresses, we have options on many RIPE allocations: /16 (2011/08) - only two left - hurry! (special: combine to a /15 for 8900 euro) /20 (2011/06) - 10 available /20 (2011/09) - 16 available /20 (2011/12) - 23 available
- 4998 euro per
- 1697 euro per
- 1555 euro per
- 1408 euro per
- 895 euro per allocation for spam and blacklist cleanup services
- 595 euro per allocation for private registration services
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Remember: "Peak IPV4" is a myth!
I was talking about Europe, as in the continent, with a population of more than 730 million people, not _a_ city in Europe with some 10.5 million people...
Sig?
of the webcast? On the west coast here, didn't get a chance to watch.
I missed it, but that's really lazy to just leave the old broken stream up there and not replace it with a recording.
I tried to explain the news blurb to my wife, who know nothing about networking. She said, "well, you'd better call Al Gore and tell him you need some more addresses. He invented the internet, surely he can fix it."
"We have nothing in common, your attitude annoys me, and your political views are appalling."
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Still, about half of the Europe (as in the continent) is not in GMT+1, but in GMT, GMT+2, and GMT+3.
Hence my remark that your claim "Europe is in GMT+1" shows as much elitism and unawareness of timezones, as you accuse the OP of. :)
Just pointing out your hypocrisy, no need to get so upset about it
(and you'd be amazed how many people in those other timezones there are - way way more then in just the example city of Moscow. But I'll leave finding that number as a homework, you might learn few things about Europe in a process)
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