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Canada Courts Quash Gov't Decision On Globalive

sitkill writes "A Canadian Federal Court ruling has rejected the Tory Cabinet's decision to overturn a CRTC mandate not allowing Globalive (which is more commonly known in Canada as the mobile carrier Wind) to operate in Canada. This is a small vindication to the embattled CRTC, which has been recently in the spotlight for its decision on usage based billing, drawing criticism from the Tory Cabinet. The CEO, Mr. Lacavera, stressed that this would not result in Globalive's Wind Mobile being shut down, simply that it would require another round of wrangling with the regulator over how much foreign influence is acceptable in a Canadian telecommunications company."

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  1. Yes! by Penguinisto · · Score: 3, Funny

    One should *always* stick with a company based in one's own nation. I'll have to get on my T-Mobile phone and send the news to my buddies on Facebook right aw...

    ...oh, what?

    (I kid, I kid...)

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    1. Re:Yes! by Stoutlimb · · Score: 4, Insightful

      O hell no. I think it's high time the carriers in Canada need to be taught a lesson.

      I have a Wind Mobile phone at the moment. I LOVE the service. I've shopped around, and no other company can even come remotely close to touching my plan. Last time I shopped around, other carriers either wouldn't even carry that kind of quality service, or the price was 2 to 3 times as much. If letting foreign companies own telecoms in Canada means Canadians stop getting charged absurdly high prices for phone service that would cost half as much anywhere else in the world, then I'm all for it.

      I've been with the other major carriers here. They keep saying there's competition for cell service in Canada, but all the companies keep treating their customers as if there's a monopoly, so up till now even if we switch carriers things never get better. Wind is a great start, but when it comes to phone and internet service in Canada, the market is sick with protectionist corruption.

    2. Re:Yes! by billcopc · · Score: 3, Informative

      More importantly: the CRTC needs to be destroyed with extreme prejudice. They are so utterly transparent in their role as federal shills for the incumbent mega-telcos, largely staffed by ex-board members. Those assclowns should be lined up in front of Ted Rogers' grave and executed by firing squad.

      The CRTC is single-handedly responsible for setting Canada back 15 years on the network front. I'm not shitting you, my internet was faster and more reliable, back in 1995 when the first wave of cable modems hit my area. No caps, 10/1.5 mbits, no throttling, no peak-time decimation, no DNS hijacking, and no blocked ports whatsoever. Today you're lucky if you can even websurf without some goddamned P-Cube box giving your packets a colonoscopy. The entire industry has devolved into a nihilistic "fuck the customer" game, thanks to this protectionism under guise of consumer advocacy, and all the propaganda that "average users only need 2gb, everyone above that must be an evil pirate", which of course a lot of (sheepish) people blindly accept as the gospel truth.

      Ditch the CRTC, socialize the damn telcos since just about every citizen is paying into the same 3 corporations anyway, and let's get back to being offensively polite before I liquefy Fincklestein's fat head.

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    3. Re:Yes! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      The CRTC has been responsible for many things:

        - Delaying satellite TV in Canada for several years
        - The extreme uptake in satellite piracy in Canada (Badly crafted laws combined with the CRTC's penchant for restricting quality foreign content created a perfect storm for otherwise honest people to pirate American satellite. You can't feel sorry for taking the forbidden fruit, when that forbidden fruit is simply forbidden television)
        - Delaying satellite radio in Canada for so long I imagine there are still more grey market accounts than there are legitimate ones, and castrating Canadian satellite radio
        - Permitting lock-in from Cable TV companies by not supporting cable card
        - Placing honest immigrants in prison for paying for foreign TV (a crime in Canada due to the CRTC)
        - Destroying Canada's status as a North American radio powerhouse. Did you know at one point a Canadian radio station controlled the radio market so seriously that Bob Seger wrote a song deriding Canada's stranglehold on the industry (Rosalie)?
        - Ruining the quality of Canadian output by not requiring it compete on its own merits. Instead, most all media in Canada is required, by law, to play Canadian content, even if it sucks or is virtually non-existent (eg: Jazz music).
        - Adjusting the very laws that destroyed CKLW to suit Bryan Adams, because they felt he deserved more airtime (really!)
        - Creating and monitoring the Canadian Broadcast Standards Council who have gone so overbaord, they've required stations here to censor Dire Straits "Money for Nothing", despite that the song is written as a monologue describing the actual views of a real person of rock stars from the 80s.

      Those are just some of the things. The CRTC is an anachronism and must be stopped. I'm just so glad Canadians are starting to wake up to this. Give me my DirectTV and Clear Channel, PLEASE!

    4. Re:Yes! by Obyron · · Score: 2

      they've required stations here to censor Dire Straits "Money for Nothing", despite that the song is written as a monologue describing the actual views of a real person of rock stars from the 80s.

      You don't think the lyric "that little faggot's got his own jet airplane. that little faggot he's a millionaire" might be worthy of censoring? I'm a big Dire Straits fan, but I can see why they don't want that playing at drive time. At least that makes sense. I want to know who turned the radio version of Eminem's "Love the Way You Lie" from-- "I'm gonna tie her to the bed and set this house on fire" to "I'm gonna ___ her to the ___ and ___ this ___ on _____".

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  2. confusing multiple negatives by Speare · · Score: 4, Informative

    A Canadian Federal Court ruling has rejected the Tory Cabinet's decision to overturn a CRTC mandate not allowing Globalive (which is more commonly known in Canada as the mobile carrier Wind) to operate in Canada.

    Can we please unscramble this? I lost count of the negatives. Can Globalive operate in Canada, or not?

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    1. Re:confusing multiple negatives by Your.Master · · Score: 4, Informative

      Globalive cannot operate (the last sentence kind of implied that anyway). Sequence of events.

      1. Golbalive wants to operate in Canada.
      2. CRTC says "no, you can't".
      3. Tory Cabinet says "forget the CRTC, you can operate".
      4. Canadian Federal Court says "forget the Tory Cabinet, you can't operate".

    2. Re:confusing multiple negatives by flyonthewall · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually,

      4. Canadian Federal Court says "The Tory were wrong to say Globalive has domestic ownership". Nothing (yet) on the right to operate.

      Decision will probably force the government to finally change the law to open telecommunication ownership to the rest of the world.

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    3. Re:confusing multiple negatives by gordguide · · Score: 2

      They can operate ... the courts gave them 60 days (I think ... something like that) and there is no interest to shut them down (by anyone, regulators, competitors, consumers, you name it) ... more competition in wireless is desired, not less. So an extension will almost certainly be offered to allow them time to sort the issue out.

      The court case centred around how GlobalLive was financed. Through a bit of creative reading of the law, GlobalLive is structured so that almost 100% of the financing is foreign (Egyptian billionaire) while the control and operating firm has sufficient Canadian resident board members and shareholders and as long as the company is fine financially, just pays off the loan.

      The law basically states that majority control of telecom must always reside with Canadian entities or individuals. Foreign ownership is fine as long as it stays below controlling interest with that particular industry.

      So, as it sits now, GlobalLive is fine, but if there's a default in the loan, the foreign entity could end up with basically 100% ownership. The court basically said this was effectively a scheme to circumvent the legislation.

      The lawsuit was brought by a rival carrier ... a small, new entrant who also got spectrum in the same auction ... who felt that this gave GlobalLive access to capital that it could not, since (as I said earlier) the law pretty much says you can't do it that way. The carrier who brought the suit doesn't want to shut down GlobalLive, but if GlobalLive is allowed to do it, then they feel they should also be able to finance in the same manner, since this opens up access to capital that they felt they could not use under the existing law, consistent with their legal advice when forming their own firm.

      In essence, GlobalLive through Order-In-Council obtained the right to obtain financing the other entrants are still prohibited from obtaining ... the law itself hasn't changed, but one carrier was given a special right not enjoyed by the others.

      So, the short answer is GlobalLive will probably have to either obtain new financing that offsets the amount of equity that the Egyptian firm could acquire via loan default so that such a default won't give the foreign firm a majority stake, or the other carriers will have to be given access to the same capital terms. Either way will work.

      Chances are GlobalLive will find enough new capital to pay off the Egyptian firm to the extent that default won't allow a majority stake, or they could modify the terms with the existing financier so that even without new financing there will be a limit on how much equity the Egyptian firm could acquire in default.

  3. So many people to hate by nightfire-unique · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's patently obvious to most Canadians that many of our government agencies collude with industry to screw citizens out of their hard earned dollars. From protectionism to anti-competitive regulation, it seems like virtually everyone we employ from city to federal government is cashing two paycheques.

    Didn't really see this one coming though. Usually the courts exercise some amount of restraint enforcing bad law after bad law.

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    1. Re:So many people to hate by LibRT · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It is high time the CRTC was disbanded entirely - they serve no discernible purpose other than the purposes you, nightfire-unique, describe above.

      Once that's done, abolish the CBC (Canada's socialized TV station, which is funded to the tune of $1B+ in tax dollars and largely airs Simpson's re-runs while unable to even keep the content flowing 24 hours a day). It is shocking that anyone should argue in favor of every worker spending a part of his or her day working such that TV shows which cannot survive on their own merit can be produced with the resultant tax revenue. It is bad enough that Canada should subsidize and encourage crimes against nature like Celine Dion, but did the world really need Tommy Hunter?!?

    2. Re:So many people to hate by DrEasy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I agree, CBC radio is very good. Good programming, no commercials, I am happy to pay taxes for that. CBC-TV on the other hand...

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  4. We're the richest 3rd-world nation by bunhed · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Quebec should stay, it's Ottawa that should separate.

  5. Vindication of the CRTC? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's ridiculous. It's a condemnation of the Harper government's attempt to circumvent the foreign ownership laws on behalf of one particular company, without actually bothering to amend the law first.

    1. Re:Vindication of the CRTC? by green1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Congratulations, you're the first person to post that actually seems to understand the issue. This has nothing to do with whether the foreign ownership rules are "right" or "fair" this is entirely about making exceptions to laws for specific people/companies.

      The only way a civilized society can function is if everyone is playing from the same set of rules. You can't allow one company to circumvent the rules while prohibiting anyone else from doing the same.

      The judge in this case sensibly ruled that the government has 2 choices, make Globalive follow the rules, or change the rules to be the same for everyone.

      Now the ball is back in the government's court, and they can decide what to do with our foreign ownership rules, and they can decide what to do for EVERYBODY this time.

  6. I read the decision last night by telso · · Score: 5, Informative

    (Note: this is based on my memory of reading the decision last night at 4 a.m., and I don't feel like rereading it for a /. comment; some things may be slightly off, and IANAL, but the gist is correct.)

    Telecommunications companies in Canada cannot be "influenced" by non-Canadians, which means while non-Canadians can have a stake in a company, it can't be significant (there's no set standard, but think under 10% or 20% and not on the board). (Whether this policy is a good idea is fully debatable, but it's the law.)

    Globalive (operating as Wind Mobile) is an upstart Canadian cell phone company run by Canadians (technically, they're old, but new to the cell market); there's no dispute here. However, to bid in the recent spectrum auction, it needed cash. So they called up Orascom, an Egyptian company, to get some financing. But they needed so much money that if they issued equity (shares) Orascom would own more than half of Globalive, breaking the Telecommunications Act. So they decided to borrow the money (debt) from them instead, thereby getting around the rules.

    Public Mobile, another upstart Canadian company that also won spectrum in the auction, said this was unfair: they played by the rules and got financing from Canadians, and so took Globalive to the CRTC. The regulator ruled that while "in law" Globalive was certainly Canadian, "in fact" they owed so much money as a part of their overall net worth (~2/3) to Orascom there was no way the latter couldn't have influence on the former, which meant Globalive broke the rules and couldn't even bid in the spectrum auction, let alone operate in Canada.

    The Conservative Government, which is generally pro-free market (in favour of foreign investment and competition and against regulators and government, though many have argued their actions haven't matched their ideals (see, e.g. Potash Corp., supply management, etc.)), issued a cabinet decision that overruled their regulator, thereby allowing Globalive to operate (which it did within days). They are allowed to overrule the CRTC, but they can't just say "because I said so": they need to justify their reasons, and the Federal Court can review their decision to see if their reasons are reasonable. (Obviously any decision will be debatable, so there is some standard for reasonableness.) So Public Mobile took the government to court. (For those interested in where our scummy telcos (Bell, Rogers, Telus) lined up, they all, of course, favoured less competition, so wanted to get Globalive out of business regardless of the merits of the case, though only Telus spoke at trial. We know they're hypocrites because their execs have all publicly lobbied for opening up telcos to foreign ownership and financing, while arguing against it here.)

    The court ruled that the CRTC was correct in determining that Globalive was influenced by a non-Canadian, and that the government's "reasons" for their decision did not change this.

    Basically, there are four basic tenets of telecommunications policy set out in the act, and one of them is the no non-Canadian influence part. The government tried to say that this part was less important than the other three parts, and that this part should only be applied "when possible" (i.e. when it won't conflict with the other parts). The government also seemingly added another tenet, which was that companies should search for technological advancement from outside Canada. And lastly, it said its cabinet decision applied only to Globalive, so wasn't precedent.

    The court said while there would be nothing wrong with a policy that had some tenets be more important than others, or one that added other tenets, that's not what the law says, and unless Parliament (legislative branch) changes this, the Cabinet (executive branch) can't issue a decision that isn't grounded in law. The court also said the arbitrariness of the decision (applying only to Globalive) further proved their decision couldn't stand.

    So that's where we are. The judge sta

    1. Re:I read the decision last night by green1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      (For those interested in where our scummy telcos (Bell, Rogers, Telus) lined up, they all, of course, favoured less competition, so wanted to get Globalive out of business regardless of the merits of the case, though only Telus spoke at trial. We know they're hypocrites because their execs have all publicly lobbied for opening up telcos to foreign ownership and financing, while arguing against it here.)

      It's actually not hypocritical at all. What the major telecoms are saying is that they are in favour of relaxed foreign ownership rules, but they are NOT in favour of selective enforcement of the rules. Currently Globalive is allowed to operate as essentially a foreign company on Canadian soil, meanwhile nobody else is allowed to raise money overseas. How is this fair? If Globalive can do it, so should everyone else.

      The problem here isn't the decision to allow Globalive to operate, it's the inequality of allowing them to do this while preventing anyone else from doing the same.

      The court ruled (sensibly) that the government can't have it both ways, they need to either make Globalive play by the rules, OR change the rules (they're the government, they can do that.) The major telecom companies, while not overly wanting the competition, DO want a level playing field, and would prefer the government fix the rules.

      Honestly, I don't see Wind Mobile shutting down. What I see as most likely in this case is for the government to relax foreign ownership rules, theoretically enabling more competition. But doing so in a fair way such that everybody works from the same rule book, which is the only fair way to do this. One time exceptions just aren't the way things should be done.

    2. Re:I read the decision last night by billcopc · · Score: 2

      Not the government, the CRTC, which is a federally-subsidized shill operating on behalf of the big 3 telcos. Officially, the CRTC is supposed to keep them in check, fighting for the consumers, but in reality they just cash their "thank you" cheques and read whatever propaganda Bell/Rogers/Telus puts on the lectern.

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  7. and the judge will get a box with all channels for by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 2

    and the judge will get a box with all channels for free and uncapped max speed internet.

  8. Judgement found "Errors In Law" by Maow · · Score: 2

    I'm a Wind customer: $40 / month, unlimited talk & text Canada & US wide, unlimited internet (possibly throttled after 5 gigs).

    I looked at the decision and summarized it here: http://android.maow.net./ The errors in law were:

    [107] The Governor in Council has in many respects adhered to and acknowledged the Canadian telecommunication policy objectives as set out in section 7 of the Act.

            However, the Governor in Council has stepped outside those provisions by inserting a previously unknown policy objective into section 7; namely, that of ensuring access to foreign capital, technology and experience. Secondly it erred by limiting its Decision to Globalive only.

    And this:

            [113] A decision-maker such as the Governor in Council is not only required to take into consideration the relevant statutory criteria, but also to exclude irrelevant criteria

            [118] In the second of the above “Whereas” clauses, the Governor in Council acted outside the legal parameters of the
            Act in stating that its Decision impacts only on Globalive. The Governor in Council cannot restrict its interpretation to one individual and not to others who may find themselves in a similar circumstance.

            [119] These improper considerations were fundamental to the determination of the Governor in Council to reverse the Decision of the CRTC. Therefore, the Decision of the Governor in Council must be quashed.

  9. The obvious solution... by jonwil · · Score: 2

    The obvious solution is for the government (assuming they are still in fact pro-competition and still support the idea of Wind Mobile operating in Canada) to pass a law removing the requirement that telcos be operated by Canadians.

  10. The Dreaded Canadian Oligopoly by SoVi3t · · Score: 2

    For a long time, Canada has been ass backwards over how it allows cable and phone companies to operate. When cell phone companies wanted to charge BOTH ways for text messages, members of parliament debated allowing more companies into the country. That got stomped out RIGHT quick. Don't kid yourself, the government is NOT in charge of this country.

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  11. Re:BELL Canada by green1 · · Score: 2

    Bell hasn't had any large tie with US companies since the 60s... I'm not sure what percentage is now owned by foreign interests, but I'm certain it's below the regulatory threshold (on a side note, "Bell Canada" didn't really start off as a subsidiary of Bell in the US, but rather as a separate Canadian entity owned by the father of Alexander Graham Bell who did a lot of his original work in Canada.)

    I know that Verizon used to own the maximum legally allowed amount of TELUS stock (I seem to think it was about 30%) however they recently got rid of that because Canadian laws wouldn't allow them to go any higher, and they really wanted more than just a small share.

    All the major Canadian telecom companies are in favour of allowing foreign ownership. They just want the rules to be the same for everyone, that's what pisses them off so much about Globalive, the fact that an exemption was given to one company but the law was left unchanged causing other companies to be at a disadvantage.

    Now as to whether or not the rule itself is a good idea, that's a different argument entirely. Originally the worry was that foreign ownership of telecommunications companies would allow foreign interests to control who we communicate with and how, this is not generally a good thing, national security, national sovereignty, and all that jazz. However I believe that as long as telecommunication companies are limited to simply providing communications, and stay out of the business of controlling what you use them for, then it shouldn't matter who owns the companies, and competition is generally a good thing. With that in mind, I personally believe that the right answer is to remove the foreign ownership requirements, but only in conjunction with strong net-neutrality/common carrier legislation. (Allow anyone to compete, and nobody to control)
    Now I think the rules may need to be different when you look at companies that produce media as well (such as Bell who own CTV) because providing communications infrastructure is one thing, providing the content to fill it is something different, and maybe the rule would have to state that companies producing media follow different rules than those simply carrying whatever signals people choose to send.

  12. Re:Dissolve the CRTC and warn the Federal Court by boxwood · · Score: 2

    Uh, no the courts shouldn't just decide that they don't like the law and won't enforce it. They should be enforcing the letter of the law, because if the letter of the law isn't in line with the spirit of the law, then the law should be changed.

    If the courts have the power to decide what's legal based on their own gut feeling, then they are effectively making the laws, which is something that parliament should be doing.

    And neither should parliament (especially not a minority government) should be able to dictate what should happen without following the law.

    So the Tories want to let this company operate in Canada. The courts say "Hey, that's actually against the law". The next step is for the Tories to change the law. At which point the courts say "yup its all good legally now". A change to a law should be debated in parliament, not changed by a some appointed judges that disagree with it.