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FCC Moves To Convert Phone Fund To Broadband Fund

medv4380 writes "The Federal Communications Commission is expected to change the Universal Service Fund so that the funds are directed toward broadband infrastructure instead of rural phone infrastructure. '... while the world has changed around it, USF – in too many ways – has stood still, and even moved backwards. The program is still designed to support traditional telephone service. It’s a 20th century program poorly suited for the challenges of a 21st century world.' You can see a transcript of what was presented to the FCC (PDF) online."

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  1. Does this mean everyone will have broadband? by pcjunky · · Score: 3, Interesting

    USF is used to provide phone service at the same price for everyone anywhere even if it costs the phone company to provide the service. Anyone anywhere in rural area can get phone service at the same price. Does this mean the same will happen to broadband?

    1. Re:Does this mean everyone will have broadband? by icebike · · Score: 2

      Probably it means some form of rural broadband or Wimax or something for shcools. But maybe not for every farmer along the route.

      It was Obama's promise to push the internet into every classroom and village library and small town hospital.

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    2. Re:Does this mean everyone will have broadband? by rcw-home · · Score: 2

      The problem is that voice over broadband doesn't come with the same kind of 99.999% uptime you have with POTS.

      POTS doesn't deliver 99.999% availability. For example, Verizon promises only 99.9% availability. The goal is to have the switching equipment be 99.999% available, so that the carrier can make the (much lower) per-line dialtone availability goals.

      In practice it remains a noble but unachievable goal. Show me a CO that has had 316 seconds or less of customer-affecting downtime in the past 10 years and I'll show you an Anonymous user that actually uses seven proxies.

    3. Re:Does this mean everyone will have broadband? by petermgreen · · Score: 2

      One question is how will they define "broadband". ADSL is a marvel of modern engineering but high speeds only work over relatively short lines. Cable only tends to be available in urban areas. Afaict there are only three ways to get higher speeds to everyone, none of them cheap.

      1: shorten the phone lines/reduce the number of users on one cable segment (most likely through some sort of FTTC/FTTP setup).
      2: move to a totally different technology (e.g. FTTH)
      3: bond multiple lines (this isn't a bad idea if you want to give one customer faster service but afaict in most areas there are simply not enough lines for it to be practical on a large scale.

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  2. Re:Just another tax to add to our monthly bill! by pcjunky · · Score: 4, Informative

    Most telcos (Cable or DSL) already collect these fees now. We don't have to charge for USF as a broadband (WISP) provider. They may force all broadband providers to collect these fess now. Won't have much effect on the vast majority of users.

  3. Re:Just another tax to add to our monthly bill! by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 5, Informative

    They've been collecting the fee since 1934 on telephones.

    Until now it was going towards telephones in rural areas, now it'll go to internet infrastructure.

  4. Great if you can get it spent correctly by Coopjust · · Score: 4, Informative
    1. Re:Great if you can get it spent correctly by Charliemopps · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Damned right. I've worked for 3 different telcos and in every single one of them, the most profitable department has always been "Regulatory Affairs." Obama announced his broadband stimulus program and within a few months they were waring money hats while they worked on projects that had been in planning for over 5 years. The government paid telcos to do work that the telcos had already planned to do anyway. It was a cash giveaway, nothing more. The government needs to enforce net neutrality, get the department of weights and measures involved in broadband speeds and stop giving money to private business without requiring results.

  5. Re:Just another tax to add to our monthly bill! by icebike · · Score: 2

    Just like your gas tax goes god knows where these days too.

    I have mixed feelings about this.

    Propping up POTS is probably a bad idea. There seems to be little future there.

    I suspect it costs no more to string fiber to small towns and then put up a cell tower.
    Or maybe buy small sat dishes and a a cell tower in small towns.
    Or put in the broadband and offer a free femtocells in really rural places.

    Still I expect the fund just got ripped off for some other use. Perhaps it should just
    be repealed and they can sell us a whole new solution with new legislation.

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  6. From TFA: by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The federal fund, known as the Universal Service Fund, comes from a line-item charge for phone customers, usually about $2 a month. That money goes toward building and maintaining copper-wire phone connections to remote areas that would be too costly to serve otherwise. The subsidy was created by the 1934 Communications Act, and regulators today say the fund needs to be used for high-speed Internet connections as people increasingly rely on the Web to gather information and communicate.

    So, instead of paying $2 a month, so that yokels in the boonies can call each other and gossip, all them them city folks will now pay $20 a month, to subsidize broadband for folks who live on in the boonies can download porn to their ranches!?!?

    [Checks Slashdot name] . . . Oh, wait, maybe it is a good idea to subsidize folks who live on ranches in the boonies.

    Although, I read an article in The Economist about UNESCO: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNESCO#Controversy_and_reform . The article said that half of the UNESCO budget never made in out of Paris, France, where the headquarters are located. I thought that was pretty amusing, until I was on a business trip in Geneva. Then we went out for lunch and waiter asked us if we worked for the UN (which was just down the road). When we said no, he treated us like unwanted, unwashed infidels. We noticed that the UN folks there were chowing down on kings' portions of food, and just got a bill for their meals, which the UN would pay for. Well, who pays the budget for the UN . . . ?

    This is another trick in politics: Get someone else to pay for what you consume. When this FCC "reform" passes into law, I would be interested to see where all those dollars were being spent. But, alas, politicians do their best to avoid transparency . . .

    Oh, well.

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    1. Re:From TFA: by commodore64_love · · Score: 2

      When I worked for the government, we were allowed to book $120 per night hotel rooms. Outrageous. Really government workers should not receive more than half that allowance ($60) and book at places like Motel 6 or Super 8.

      >>>all them them city folks will now pay $20 a month, to subsidize broadband for folks who live on in the boonies
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      This is why city people pay higher taxes, and the money flows to the red, rural states. City people are being forced to subsidize the rural lifestyle. (Phone USF, corporate farm subsidies, interstate road fund, electricity handouts, etc.) In an ideal world the rural persons would not be receiving any assistance, but the politicians inside the cities keep shooting themselves in the foot, and adding more taxes.

      Oh well. (goes off to enjoy the country view.) Thanks.

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  7. Hopefully more rural DSL rollout by Eravnrekaree · · Score: 2

    Hopefully this will mean a rollout of DSL in remote locations. DSL actually is the best way to bring internet to rural areas, as most of the cable is already laid, all that needs to be done is to install some signal regeneration/loop extender equipment. Fiber optics can also be brought to a node part of the way, but the amount of cable that needs to be replaced is still less. It is amazing the bandwidh that can be seen with newer DSL modems, its enough to even carry video. Its amazing what can be squeezed out of a twisted pair.

  8. Re:Don't redirect, cut the program off. by kenj0418 · · Score: 2

    Agreed. Are they going to have rural people subsidize my higher housing costs in the city? What about my higher car insurance rates?

    There is already "Universal Access" via satellite. It may be comparatively slow and expensive -- too bad. If you want a lovely night sky and lots of trees - go live in the country. If you want fast internet and Thai food delivered to your front door - live in the city.

    Live where you want to live - but don't make me pay for its shortfalls.

  9. VERY smart move by dave562 · · Score: 2

    They are directing Federal funding to broadband services. Federal funding is a fun thing. It comes with all sorts of stipulations.

  10. Re:Does Congress not make law anymore? by fyrewulff · · Score: 2

    Try reading harder. They want to change what the money can be officially allotted towards. There is no new fee being added, just the destination of the current one. No new tax is being levied against you.

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  11. Re:Just another tax to add to our monthly bill! by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

    Not only that but with control of the last mile in the hands of a couple of corps and cherry picking many rural places get no choice or outrageous prices.

    A friend tried to service his area by talking his boss into going in on a T-1 and subletting use, but the local teleco (who only offers $60 a month dialup to those not in town) found out and pulled his access to the backbone, with a "just try and sue us" nasty letter to boot. His lawyer said "sure you'll win, but it'll cost a million and a half and a decade in court and they KNOW you can't afford it" so now those folks are still stuck on dialup because the teleco refuses to upgrade their lines or add any DSLAMs and they and the local cableco haven't moved an inch in ANY direction in nearly 20 years here.

    So I'm ALL for it. Use that money to lay broadband from coast to coast, and then let the monopolies compete. If they want to be the only provider in an area? Well then they better lay down 50Mbps fiber before we get there and offer fair prices. Because as it is in rural areas like I'm in there is very little service, the service offered is crazy priced, which keeps the poor from having any access, and it is just gouging all around. i mean $67 for DSL, and $103 for basic cable (which they won't unbundle so you HAVE to take it) with Internet? Talk about price gouging!

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  12. Re:Just another tax to add to our monthly bill! by TheLink · · Score: 2

    Why is it my problem that they aren't willing to pay the market price for broadband?

    They help provide food for you and your friends.

    One of the reasons why a civilization becomes "wealthy" is when one farmer can feed hundreds or even thousands.

    That means those hundreds or thousands can do other things (make phones, be hair stylists, write Internet RFCs etc). Otherwise they'd all be fishing/hunting/farming to put enough food on the table.

    You could of course outsource food supply to other countries. But from a big picture POV that's just sweeping it under someone else's carpet.

    Of course the flip side is with all this specialization, civilization becomes a lot more fragile in some ways.

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