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Why IP Laws Are Blocking Innovation

DrJimbo passes along this quote from Groklaw: "The White House is asking us to give them ideas on what is blocking innovation in America. I thought I'd give them an honest answer. Here it is: Current intellectual property laws are blocking innovation. President Obama just set a goal of wireless access for everyone in the US, saying it will spark innovation. But that's only true if people are allowed to actually do innovative things once they are online. You have to choose. You can prop up old business models with overbearing intellectual property laws that hit innovators on the head whenever they stick their heads up from the ground; or you can have innovation. You can't have both. And right now, the balance is away from innovation."

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  1. Re:Suggestions by Moryath · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "Of course, without strong ip laws there's no reason to innovate."

    Really. Interesting - innovation seems to predate "intellectual property law" by at least millenia.

  2. IP Law Results by DaMattster · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It has become disgustingly easy to patent something that really should not be patentable. One result of the fast and loose IP laws is an entirely new method of profit for enterprise: using the court system as a means of revenue (i.e. sue for profit.) In the end, the IP laws have become the United States undoing because how can we be technological innovators and leaders if the would-be inventor is scared off by some superfluous patent over something ridiculous.

  3. For some people, this is very true by Stregano · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I am a web developer by day, and am a software developer by night. I make software so that I can sell it. One of my biggest worries is that I will make a really great piece of software, start selling it, then some big company filled with lawyers starts suing me because it run in Windows, and according to some messed up, obscure patent, I can't do that. I understand that they would not touch me right now since, let's face it, none of you have heard of me (as with the rest of the world). I am not banking hardcore. It is possible that one single program I write will though. That is a very high possibility. I try to program safe and not go too insane with the software I make and sell. If I go insane and make something incredible, these sleazy, douchbag lawyers will want a piece of my pie even though they had nothing to do with it, so they sue me. You should not be allowed to simply buy up a patent. You should be required to have a working model of what the patent is for. If you have a software patent for software that does not exist and you have no proof it exists, why are you allowed to own it? You have nothing to do with the software outside of a small piece of paper saying it. You have no programmers on payroll. You have no engineers on payroll. You are not paying or contracting anybody to make these innovations, you simply own them to say you do. I think it should be revamped to make these people show proof of concept at the very minimum in order to own a patent. Unfortunately, for people like me who make just as much selling software on the side as I do at my normal job (and it is not a small amount, it is just not big either), it is only a matter of time before the "I can retire now" software gets sold off, and then I get sued for some software patent from a company that has nothing to do with software outside of having a piece of paper saying they can. Proof of concept, or you lose it.

    If these patent trolls started losing patents for no proof of concept, that would up the innovation then and there as other big companies would be bringing in people to make a proof of concept so they could own the patent. A 2 for 1 deal and it is super simple. Innovation gets sparked, and patent trolls get smacked in the face. And all we do is force the patent trolls to show proof of concept of every single patent they own.

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  4. Re:NPEs buying at fire sales; codec patent pools by Stregano · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If they don't have a working model, then they don't really have it outside of a piece of paper, do they? When it comes to codecs, use it or lose it. Sure they can write something up, so they should. If all you have is a piece of paper saying you own something, but you don't have it, well that is pretty dumb if you ask me. You don't truly own it since you don't have it. You say that you do so that you can sue if anybody really makes it. That needs to be stopped. These are to the point where companies are owning ideas. That is why we have not seen many super innovative thing in the software market. Sure, there are some incredible ones out there that are new, do not get me wrong, but there could be so many more if these companies did not "buy ideas".

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  5. Re:And the worst offender is... by CajunArson · · Score: 1, Interesting

    are patents, and fat cats using patents to bludgeon little guys.

    Yes you used all the correct terms to get an Insightful mod on Slashdot while saying the exact opposite of what really happens. Please name for me the last "little" guy who was sued for patent infringement, especially for software patents..... Usually it's the "little guys" suing Microsoft, Google, etc. etc.

    The reason is money. Despite the narrative that Slashdot likes to portray of multi-billion dollar companies suing some open source developer on Source Forge, patent litigation is expensive and if you sue somebody who isn't make big money already, you've already lost no matter who wins the case.

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  6. Re:Remember the vast innovation in the baroque per by HungryHobo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Imagine a world where cooking wasn't covered by IP law you'd never be able to set up your own restaurant!

    Why would a chef ever come up with a new recipe?
    Surely if he came up with a good one then McDonalds would just steal it and include it in their own chain and lock that chef out.

    As soon as you came up with a good idea, theme or dish someone would just swoop in , copy your ideas and push you out of business.

    Nobody would ever even try!
    We'd all be stuck without anything good to eat!

  7. Re:Fanaticism is losing sight of the original goal by yeshuawatso · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My two cents:

    From Article 1 Section 8 of the US constitution:
    The Congress shall have the power...To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

    No where in that line does it state that a patent or copyright is to grant any persons, natural or otherwise, a way to guarantee PROFITS or STIFLE COMPETITION. It specifically says: "...PROMOTE the PROGRESS OF SCIENCES AND USEFUL ARTS."

    PROMOTE != PROFIT

  8. Re:Welcome to the real world, hippies by geekgirlandrea · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm not implying that you are a fascist or totalitarian thug. I'm directly accusing you of it based on immediately obvious observations. Your willingness to do violence to random third parties for consuming substances you dislike in private is clearest, but the real clincher is the law-worshipping mentality evident in your original post: you regard law as defining ethics, and identify yourself with its enforcers. It's the classic authoritarian submission trait identified by Theodor Adorno.

    This is, of course, a complementary to the authoritarian aggression trait: you assuage your psychological insecurities by identifying with established power, and express your sadistic tendencies vicariously through its violent enforcement, which is why you find criticism of that structure so threatening. Really, people like you are the slime of humanity; merely pathetic when encountered singly in a context like this, but lethally dangerous in sufficient numbers.

    Oh, and for the record: I'm more of an LSD sort of girl.

  9. Lazy, unproductive "talent" by Stiletto · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm going to buck the trend here and say it's NOT patents and copyrights and IP laws that are blocking innovation. No, it's a little more of a direct cause: An unproductive workforce that expects to get paid just for showing up with a degree.

    There are a lot of people out there in the professional world, in technical professions, in engineering, in project management, etc. who can talk and talk but can't or won't deliver results. A lot of people full of degrees and education and smooth talk but no actual practical skill or work ethic. All hat and no cowboy as some say. I interview people all the time who bill themselves as hard-core in-the-weeds technical people, but when you actually dig and ask probing questions you find it's all superficial and the person actually isn't really capable of providing much value. For example:

    Me: So, you write C++ software and work at XYZ corp, great! We're looking for C++ talent. Tell me about a project that you worked on!
    Candidate: Well, we developed software that did ABC...
    Me: We? No, what exactly did YOU do?
    Candidate: Well, I worked on a major sub-component of the software...
    Me: OK, so what are some of the algorithms and/or data structures you used while writing the code?
    Candidate: Um, well I didn't use much of that. I provided analysis and resolution of major defects...
    Me: So you fixed bugs. That's cool. What are some of the common C++ mistakes you have identified?
    Candidate: Uhh, I didn't really get deep into the code. I basically facilitated the analysis.
    Me: Oh, so you talked to the engineers and wrote bug reports?
    Candidate: Well, no, but I ENABLED them to deliver their results by...
    Me: ...

    It sounds like the "So what exactly do you do, Bob?" segment in Office Space, but these people are everywhere, and not all of them are interviewing. Many are in nice comfortable do-nothing jobs in corporate division 23 department B in high tech companies everywhere. These people are dragging down our companies and our country and need to go away.

    This country has a major talent gap. You guys all deride the government when they talk about the huge shortage of technical talent but it's absolutely true. We have a shit-ton of people with "Engineer" on their diploma. We have a lot of people who claim to be technical but simply sit in meetings and "enable" others who are actually doing the work. We have a very, very small number of actual implementors who know their stuff and can actually innovate.

    I don't know what the solution to the problem is, but think I see the symptoms all around me every day.