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Two Huge Holes In the Sun Spotted

An anonymous reader writes "Japanese scientists have spotted two huge holes on the sun's magnetic field, and it appears there is some reason to be concerned about. The holes, called coronal holes, are gateways for solar material and gas to spill out into space, according to space.com. The gaps in the sun's magnetic field make a hole through its atmosphere, letting gas out, NASA has said."

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  1. NASA link by sustik · · Score: 4, Informative
    1. Re:NASA link by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2

      Look at the date of the article, and the time estimate they give for the gas stream hitting earth. It means that some people may have seen some lights.

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    2. Re:NASA link by kenwd0elq · · Score: 2

      Try www.spaceweather.com.

    3. Re:NASA link by JohnRoss1968 · · Score: 2

      So does that mean we are already dead?

  2. So... by lolololol · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why is there reason to be "concerned"? It is an interesting find, but that solar gas won't do much to harm Earth.

    1. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well, I've been a ham radio operator for a long time, and have seen this sort of thing occasionally.

      No, it won't directly harm us, but it could wreak havoc on the radio spectrum.

      Depending on what exactly happens, we hams may see some terrific "skip" conditions on the shortwave
      bands, or we may experience a near-complete wipe-out where nothing gets through, let alone bouncing
      off a layer in the upper atmosphere. It may also disrupt some satellite links depending on the position of
      the various satellites relative to the wave of incoming particles/stuff and which way the satellites are aimed
      towards their ground stations.

      Folks in higher latitudes may be treated to an incredible display of "Northern Lights" or "Southern Lights" as appropriate.
      Considering we're just now coming out of a minimum in the 11 year sunspot cycle, this is indeed an interesting event.

    2. Re:So... by avgjoe62 · · Score: 2

      There is absolutely no reason to be concerned - unless, of course, the sun eats a couple of Jupiter-sized bean burritos...

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    3. Re:So... by MBaldelli · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why is there reason to be "concerned"? It is an interesting find, but that solar gas won't do much to harm Earth.

      Having done a little scanning of this news from the source of the article, NASA, Space Weather, this is hardly rare and not the sign of an impending stellar apocalypse. From the less credible sources, the concerns that are sort of just below the surface is that the sun's going to lose it's fuel because of these holes in much the same manner as it was originally thought if we were to sent rockets into space would punch holes in the atmosphere of Earth causing all the air to funnel off into space.

      One would hope such wacky conspiracy theorists would've died off around the same time as it was determined driving in a car more than 25 MPH would cause our bones to turn to jelly, but it would appear that they're still around.

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    4. Re:So... by vux984 · · Score: 2

      Why is there reason to be "concerned"? It is an interesting find, but that solar gas won't do much to harm Earth.

      Your missing the point. Its not that the gas will hit the earth. Its that the sun is like a giant balloon, and now it has a hole in it, that's letting the gas out.

      The the sun will be completely deflated within a year!!

      The sun worshipping mayans knew about this too, its clearly the 2012 apocalypse. I'm mean if you worshipped the sun like a god, why bother marking any dates on the calendar after the sun goes out.

  3. Exactly. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I have a hole, gas comes out, but it doesn't do much to harm Earth.

    1. Re:Exactly. by beelsebob · · Score: 2

      They don't contribute at all, because all the stuff we're giving out is stuff that was already in the atmosphere, and was fixed into plants and then back into animals (possibly us).

      The only thing that contributes to global warming is digging up carbon from under ground and putting it in the air, simple as that.

    2. Re:Exactly. by Dunbal · · Score: 2

      Yes I am immediately inclined to believe someone who uses a word like "there're".

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    3. Re:Exactly. by by+(1706743) · · Score: 3, Funny

      Clouds actually do NOT contribute. Having a high albedo, they reflect a lot of incoming sunlight back into space.

      Am I the only one who often misreads/mispronounces "albedo" as "libido"?

      I guess that could send the wrong message to friends when you're sitting outside staring at the moon and commenting on its reflectivity...

    4. Re:Exactly. by riverat1 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Clouds develop when water vapor condenses in the atmosphere forming water droplets around condensation nuclei. But regarding their greenhouse effects clouds and water vapor are two different things with different absorption/reflection characteristics for radiant energy.

      Answering the GP, during daylight clouds can reflect sunlight back into space providing a cooling effect but the albedo depends on things like the size of the cloud droplets, the density of the cloud, the angle of the light hitting it and probably a few other things. At night though they reflect radiant energy back toward the surface or absorb it providing a warming effect. And around the world near the day/night separation line the sunlight can actually be reflected from the bottom of the clouds down to the Earth. Overall the effects of clouds on global warming appears to be slightly positive.

    5. Re:Exactly. by TapeCutter · · Score: 2

      Natural methane emissions from non-microbial life is inconsequential to climate, The influence of livestock wrt climate is about land use, not farting. Atmosphere-vegetable-animal-atmosphere is a closed loop. Some methane from microbial life (eg: melting permafrost) is a +ve feedback, not a forcing. This is the attribution graph you're looking for.

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  4. Bad Article by Stoutlimb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Holes in the sun! Sun losing gas to space! "Probably time is finally taking a toll on the benevolent star, which has been toiling hard for millennia!"

    I wouldn't exactly call this science journalism. No explanation why, what will happen, etc... The only link on the article is labeled "NASA", but points to the main page of this crappy website. To their credit they have a photo of the sun, but is from another solar space mission unrelated to the article.

    Hey editors, how on earth did this awful link get onto the main page?

    1. Re:Bad Article by Stoutlimb · · Score: 5, Informative

      Just an after thought... The article DID mention that this was reported on space.com, but they didn't provide a link. Here it is:

      http://www.space.com/10825-sun-holes-space-photo-hinode.html

      I had a look, it's way better. Maybe this should have been the link provided in the submission.

    2. Re:Bad Article by anlag · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, went to post exactly the same thing. Not to bash the submission as such since it's nice to see people take an interest in my field of work, but surely it's not that much to ask to find the referenced article. Mind you, the space.com piece although better also doesn't go very much in depth of the subject. Then again one of the reasons for that is likely that it simply isn't a very big deal. The Sun is a very dynamic object, always has been and always will be. And that it spills stuff into space is hardly news, or cause for concern. They're still nice pictures though, from a great mission.

    3. Re:Bad Article by Stoutlimb · · Score: 3, Informative

      Oh I totally agree, I just thought it was nice to post a link to the article they were reporting on, seeing that neither they nor the submitter bothered to do so.

      In a nutshell, coronal holes are a large source of Solar Wind https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Solar_wind

    4. Re:Bad Article by syousef · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Probably time is finally taking a toll on the benevolent star, which has been toiling hard for millennia!"

      4.6 BILLION YEARS is 4.6 million millennia. Good work sounding completely foolish guys.

      The only thing more foolish is an article on a nerd site pointing to it. Next up: Top 10 songs of the week announced, and Pink says something like really like totally cool. News for bimbos? Stuff that's drivel?

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  5. Re:Probably been there for ages by maxwell+demon · · Score: 3

    Actually, I cannot find that danger either in the linked article, not in the NASA article sustik linked to in a comment. The latter just says that we have to expect more auroras when the gas stream hits us "in a few days" (and that article was from Jan 11, so it probably has hit us quite some time ago, apparently without major damages).

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  6. And the concern is...? by ThunderBird89 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The way I see it, unless one of those holes were pointed straight at us for an extended time, which is impossible due to difference in the orbital velocity of Earth and the rotational velocity of the Sun, we have nothing to worry about, and even then we'd only get a few blanked-out satellites.

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    1. Re:And the concern is...? by RightwingNutjob · · Score: 4, Funny

      For years man has yearned to destroy the sun. Now he has a reason: self-defense.

  7. Don't panic by vmxeo · · Score: 5, Funny

    Don't freak out that there's now an opening in the corona. Freak out when a celestial lime slice gets wedged it.

  8. Re:Your toast - which way? by rainmouse · · Score: 2

    Ah 2012 - thought the Mayans said Mother earth was going to laugh and reformat herself. Looks like Father Sun has a different choice for cooking us.

    Ah 2012 - thought the Mayans said Mother earth was going to laugh and reformat herself. Looks like Father Sun has a different choice for cooking us.

    Mayans never said anything about 2012 doomsday, they just have a calender that cycles every 1,872,000 days. It's like aliens believing the universe will explode because this primitive Western human tribes calender only goes up to the 31st of December and then suddenly.......ends......

  9. Re:Your toast - which way? by Stevecrox · · Score: 5, Informative

    I really hate this urban legend, read the wikipedia article on the Mayan Calender.

    Basically they had the Tzolk'in which provided a 260 day year (13 months of 20 days) which was used to plan ceremonies and events. Because that doesn't match up with the length of the year they developed the Haab which lasts 365 days this provided 18 months consisting of 20 days, with 5 "nameless" days.

    However neither of these calenders providing a way of keeping track of the year, so the mayans worked out the year by using the Tzolk'in and Haab calenders, since those dates reset every 52 years the Mayans called that a Calender Round.

    The Long Count was created so dates which occurred outside of the 52 year cycle could be stated, the end of the world myth exists because 1 Bakturn consists of 144,000 days. On December 21st 2012 this bakturn cycle ends, that doesn't mean the world will end to the Mayans the end of such a cycle is a time of celebration.

    In short the Mayan calender system is a giant overly complicated mess.

  10. Nothing unusual AT ALL. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Extremely badly written article. The coronal holes over the south and north pole of the sun have basically always been there, and been predicted by solar wind models for at least 50 years. The news here is simply that the hinode spacecraft managed to image them conclusively for the first time.

    No reason to be concerned. Trust me, I'm a solar scientist.

  11. Non-story, clueless writer by Platinum+Dragon · · Score: 5, Informative

    Visit spaceweather.com daily for a month or two, and keep an eye on the various Sun images on the left side. One is used to point out coronal holes, and you'll quickly realize how common they are. This may be related to the approaching solar maximum, though don't quote me on that.

    I'm much more concerned about flare and mass ejection frequency. With all the satellites and poorly-shielded electrical circuits we rely upon, one or two wicked ejections aimed at Earth could turn a lot of gear into expensive junk.

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  12. Bad Gas? by Mithrandris · · Score: 2

    So our sun is venting fuel.. Probably didn't like the 15% Ethenol in it.. If the sun sees fit to fertalize space with it - odds are my car won't like it either.

  13. There's a little black spot on the sun today. by deadhammer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's the same old thing as yesterday.

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  14. Only a class C type flares expected. by novar21 · · Score: 2

    It wont even create a good aurora. We need a good M type flare for that. Bummer. The wife really wants to see a good aurora someday. We live to close to the city lights for any good viewing. We would have to drive out into the country. Well since we are approaching solar maximum, we might have to take a drive in the next year or two. Here is the link that describes the events: www.spaceweather.com "BEHEMOTH SUNSPOT 1158: Sunspot 1158 is growing rapidly (48 hour movie) and crackling with C-class solar flares. The active region is now more than 100,000 km wide with at least a dozen Earth-sized dark cores scattered beneath its unstable magnetic canopy. Earth-directed eruptions are likely in the hours ahead." Class M flares are good for viewing. Class X is where we lose electricity or radio/satellites.

  15. Re:Your toast - which way? by maxwell+demon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The thing is, something *does* happen at the end of the 31st of December – the earth ends it's current revolution around the sun.

    So what is so special about the point of the orbit it happens to reach at that time? It's not even the perihel (closest point to the sun), which comes a few days later, nor the winter solstice (when the tilt of the earth's axis aligns with the radial vector of the orbit), which is shortly before Christmas. There's absolutely nothing remarkable about the point in orbit at 31st of December.

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  16. Sun tired of energy being stolen, protesting by schwep · · Score: 2

    After decades of 'free' energy being stolen from the sun, the sun has finally had enough & started a protest. If the 'free' energy theft continues, according to sources close to the sun who wish to remain unnamed, then it will start sending DRM takedown notices to all solar panel owners. The sun's legal team insists that solar power harvesting is breaking the physical encryption it is using & is therefore covered by the DMCA.

    The sun could not be reached for direct comment.