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Braid Creator on 'Evil' Social Games

PCGamer recently spoke with Jonathan Blow, creator of the popular indie platformer Braid, about his views on the rise of social games over last few years. He thinks many games in that category aren't actually very social, and when asked if he thought such games are evil, he replied, "Yes. Absolutely." Quoting: "[With certain social games] it’s about the game exploiting your friends list that you already made, so it’s not really about meeting people. And it’s not really about doing things with them because you’re never playing at the same time. It’s about using your friends as resources to progress in the game, which is the opposite of actual sociality or friendship. Maybe not exactly, but it’s not the same thing, right? They’re really just called social games because they run on social networks."

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  1. Sort of... by Aladrin · · Score: 5, Informative

    He's right to a point.

    But I have actually met people on Facebook games like Castle Age (Mafia Wars clone) and got to know them a bit. We cooperated on some things in the game without ever being on at the same time.

    My mother met a lot of people playing Farmville. (Or one of those farm games.) She would meet them in the chatroom and 'work' on their farm and stuff, and get to know them while she did it.

    So yeah, they can be played anti-socially, but they don't have to be.

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    1. Re:Sort of... by Canazza · · Score: 4, Insightful

      These "Social Games" aren't really Social Games, they're "Social Media games", ie, games you play that exploit the social media platform you're on. Exploit being the operative word.

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    2. Re:Sort of... by sakdoctor · · Score: 2

      On Farmville, facebook farms you.

  2. Couldn't agree more by N1AK · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There's always been a trend among online games to encourage recruitment of new players. Social networks like Facebook have just allowed this to become even more invasive.

    I've de-friended a few, less close, contacts because of messages from games etc (before FB sorted it out). Had to tell closer friends that I'd have to de-link them if they didn't get more selective about messages they send out (most of whom were ignorant of what they were doing). Yesterday I removed a friend because I got a notification that he answered a question about me on some Facebook application. I didn't join this app, and a friend who is willing to give details about me out to a third party so casually isn't someone I am willing to share a link with on this type of system.

    All of the above isn't Facebook's fault, or even the game makers. It is the users who allow all this, who send all the invites, who accept or tolerate those invites etc. Sadly, as most users aren't going to change, we are reliant on FB etc to implement changes to protect us.

    Finally, before this turns into another thread of endless "I don't use Lamebook" etc posts. No one gives a shit. No one. Bothering to post to say you don't use the tools makes people assume you're a social pariah. The people who don't use facebook, and aren't, don't need to shout about the decision whenever there is an opportunity.

    1. Re:Couldn't agree more by thasmudyan · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yesterday I removed a friend because I got a notification that he answered a question about me on some Facebook application. I didn't join this app, and a friend who is willing to give details about me out to a third party so casually isn't someone I am willing to share a link with on this type of system.

      Sadly, those apps are lying. Chances are, nobody answered anything about you. It's a ploy. I can almost guarantee you that the app only had access to that person's friend list and used the friend list to contact you. It's probably not your friend's fault at all. Most of the time, when you're trying out a new FB game, it wants access to your friends list before you can even find out whether the game is legit. Even if you remove the app again immediately, it still had enough time to siphon off your data.

    2. Re:Couldn't agree more by kaizokuace · · Score: 4, Funny

      They have to shout out here that they do not use facebook because they are not on facebook to tell you that they are not on facebook.

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    3. Re:Couldn't agree more by Gr8Apes · · Score: 2

      Q: How can you find out if someone doesn't use Facebook?

      A: They're posting on slashdot.

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    4. Re:Couldn't agree more by m.ducharme · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yo dawg, I heard you don't like Facebook, so I put a Facebook article in yo slashdot so you can bitch about Facebook on slashdot.

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  3. Yup. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

    " It’s about using your friends as resources to progress in the game, which is the opposite of actual sociality or friendship. Maybe not exactly, but it’s not the same thing, right?"

    "Act in such a way that you treat humanity, whether in your own person or in the person of any other, always at the same time as an end and never merely as a means to an end" -- Immanuel Kant

    He certainly isn't the only person who would consider such games "evil"...

  4. I like Cow Clicker by commodore6502 · · Score: 2

    It summates all of these facebook games down to their core purpose - to make people click a lot and see ads, plus pay money.

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  5. Re:The real problem by nedlohs · · Score: 2

    So because you don't like that sort of game people playing them for "no reward, no effect, and no return" should just kill themselves. But people wasting just as much time for "no reard, no effect, and no return" playing games you don't think are stupid should just keep on doing so?

    Seriously what is the difference between spending 1 hour a day playing mafia wars and spending 1 hour a day playing call of duty and spending 1 hour a day playing dungeons and dragons and spending 1 hour a day playing tetris and spending 1 hour a day watching House? They're all equally time sinks with the onley upside being people get some enjoyment from them.