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Data Retention Should Last One Year, US Gov't Tells Australia

mask.of.sanity writes "The United States and Australia will enter bilateral talks in an attempt to unify controversial policies that would force internet providers to retain logs on the online habits of citizens. The US has urged Australia to take a moderate approach as it drafts its legislation and said it should not keep logs for longer than a year. Some EU nations keep the logs for as long as five years, although European nations disagree over the need for the plan." And of course, that's also how long we should keep recordings of everyone's phone calls, and copies of their (opened) mail, too.

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  1. This is bullshit by DMJC · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I am an Australian citizen, and the government should not retain any online data about me. If they don't like that then they can go jump off a cliff. I will not be voting for any political party that supports data retention in the next election.

    1. Re:This is bullshit by ciderbrew · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Cannibalism is fine so long has you have anti murder or bodily harm laws in place.
      I don't think there are many people who will take up cannibalism once legalised, licensed and taxed, which we will need records for (kept for around 50 years). So that's the party for me.

      But I get your point.

    2. Re:This is bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      He can't, voting is mandatory in Australia.

      Unless you're an ex-pat, of course. ;-)

    3. Re:This is bullshit by tdelaney · · Score: 2

      Wrong terminology.

      A "donkey vote" is when you blindly vote for the first person/party on the ballot paper. This is why every party wants to be first on the paper (and why the position is randomly selected in Australia) - a lot of "donkeys" select it if they don't have a specific party they want to put first.

      Turning in an invalid ballot paper is called an "informal vote".

  2. Here's the map.. by headkase · · Score: 5, Informative

    On Techdirt. It's a censorship and surveillance map. Notice how Australia already shares the dubious distinction of spying on their Citizens with Russia? Of course we're spied on here to but not to the same degree.

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    1. Re:Here's the map.. by dbIII · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Where do you think Australia gets the tried and tested surveillance technology from? Are you really sure you are not spied on to the same degree if not more?
      You make think your agencies are fluffy vegans but reality is a carnivore tasting everything that comes down the wires it has access to.

    2. Re:Here's the map.. by cforciea · · Score: 2

      Ha ha! Carnivore.

  3. How about this? by umaynome · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How about if the US just stops telling everyone else what to do?

    1. Re:How about this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      The headline was written to troll you. The Australian government's position is already the same as that of the United States; the quote from the Australian attorney general shows him citing the United States as an ally in the fight against excessive data retention periods. There's nothing except that bad headline to indicate some sort of policy incursion by the US.

    2. Re:How about this? by ciderbrew · · Score: 2

      ARe you telling him to do that?

    3. Re:How about this? by AHuxley · · Score: 2

      From 5 years in the EU to 1 year is still a one year as the retention period. So its not a troll.

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  4. We Need to find A Way to Break Free of ISPs by commodore6502 · · Score: 2

    That is the weak point that allows governments to set-up their recorders and track everything the citizens do. We need to find a way to communicate directly with one another.

    Either that or an amendment by the Member States to the Union constitution that mandates ISPs, telcos, banks, etc have the same protection as private homes (i.e. require a judge-issued warrant to search a citizen's account).

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    Information wants to be expensive AND wants to be free. So you have Value vs. Cheap distribution fighting each other.
    1. Re:We Need to find A Way to Break Free of ISPs by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      Ubiquidous encryption would be a good start. Sure, it's breakable without a very good authentication system, and governments can always get the root CAs to issue something - but it takes time, effort and substantial hardware. It'd make it impossible to mass-trawl tens of thousands of users looking for dirt.

    2. Re:We Need to find A Way to Break Free of ISPs by commodore6502 · · Score: 2

      >>>the service has to be provided by someone for there to be any internet

      There was internet before ISPs existed.

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      Information wants to be expensive AND wants to be free. So you have Value vs. Cheap distribution fighting each other.
    3. Re:We Need to find A Way to Break Free of ISPs by KingMotley · · Score: 2

      They supplied a service. If you wanted to connect to the internet, you had to get someone (or do it yourself) to run a connection to them, and they would route your data to/from the internet for you.

      An ISP isn't (necessarily) the guy who runs the connection between them and you. Nor is it (necessarily) the guy who has a bank of modems waiting for you to dial into them. The ISP is what lies beyond that, and provides the service that routes your data to and from the internet.

  5. Tradeoff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sure thing, but only after the same is applied to politicians (no immunity allowed) and companies of all sorts, public and private, specially offshore banks. Also recording talks inside government buildings should be mandated, a good Nixon like scandal would be "nice". Maybe then good things that actually benefit the poor and middle working class can happen.

  6. Reasonable Suspicion and Probable Cause by TheSpoom · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...are apparently thrown out the window when the magic word "Internet" starts getting used.

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    1. Re:Reasonable Suspicion and Probable Cause by kwenf · · Score: 2

      Same thing with any issue politicians use to win votes.

  7. I work in the field of data protection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...and let me tell you, one-year retention is EXPENSIVE. It kinda makes me laugh at the politicians who demand things like this, while they have no idea what such a system entails. Maybe the Australian gov't was planning on financing the tape libraries required to hold the PBs of logs generated every month by Australian citizens?

  8. Re:A bit of a problem, for anyone named "Bruce" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    quaff down your Foster's.

    You are obviously not Australian!

    Fosters - the beer Australians wont drink

  9. Score one for big brother by ausrob · · Score: 2

    How about.. _never_ retaining personal data unless it's been approved by a court order, much like it _used to be_ for wire taps and surveillance? This is just wrong.

  10. Re:A bit of a problem, for anyone named "Bruce" by TapeCutter · · Score: 4, Informative

    "Sheila" is not a name it's a gender, the word is thought to be derived from this celtic god.

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  11. Mesh networks by ItsLenny · · Score: 2

    ... I can't scream it loud enough MESH NETWORKS!!... if everyone had a $50 mesh network router in their house there would be no ISP or single point of failure http://www.open-mesh.com/ ps... I have no affiliation with open mesh.. just always dreamed of a day when the internet could become a mesh network.. and yes I know it's just a DREAM

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  12. Re:plug by ItsLenny · · Score: 2

    software only available in .exe ??? :-(

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  13. Re:A bit of a problem, for anyone named "Bruce" by tehcyder · · Score: 4, Funny

    quaff down your Foster's.

    You are obviously not Australian!

    Fosters - the beer Australians wont drink

    Australians in the past would drink their own piss if you told them it had alcohol in it. Now they just export it, the crafty buggers.

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  14. Re:plug by Lord+Ender · · Score: 2

    Linux support works, but is still complicated to set up, so we can't really support it. There will be a tarball available as soon as we have it polished... We're just going from most popular to least popular platforms, hoping to support everything eventually.

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  15. Re:plug by Rick17JJ · · Score: 2

    The Startpage search engine allows encrypted SSL connections and also the option of viewing the results through a proxy. For an encryped SSL connection to the Startpage search engine, type HTTPS instead of HTTP in the URL for Startpage. For example, either of the following will give an encrypted connection to their webpage:

    https://startpage.com/
    https://ixquick.com/

    Then, after searching for what you are looking for, click on the word “Proxy” after the most likely looking search result. By clicking on the word “Proxy,” you get to view the website with Startpage acting as a proxy.

    Presumably, the Internet providers logs would then not show what the user had been searching for and viewing. Startpage also does not record IP addresses or use cookies. Startpage is known as Ixquick outside of the United States. Below are two links that talk about the proxy feature of Startpage.

    http://ixquick.com/proxy/eng/help.html
    Katherine vs Google

    Just for example, if I were searching for some information about some conspiracy theory I had recently heard about, I might use an SSL connection to Startpage, and the proxy option for viewing the results. Not wanting the government think that I might be one of those wacko conspiracy theorists, I might use an SSL connection to Startpage and choose the proxy option for viewing the results.

  16. Re:plug by JeffAtl · · Score: 2

    A government cannot force you to divulge something you do not and never knew.

    Sure they can - if you can't provide decryption keys to them then when asked you go to prison. The government can take the stance that not having the ability to provide the keys it is your problem and not theirs. This is already the stance in the UK where 'forgetting' the encryption key used is not a valid defense.

    Governments can also make it illegal for you to use a VPN in the first place, so the use of one is a crime in itself. Governments can also place the burden on the user to show that they aren't trying to sidestep encryption restrictions. The US already has something similar in place with the monetary transaction structuring laws.

    Law enforcement agencies are already pushing for the very use of encryption to be considered "probable cause" of criminal activity.