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Driver Sued For Updating Facebook In Fatal Crash

An anonymous reader writes "21-year-old Chicago motorist Araceli Beas has been accused of attempting to update her Facebook page on her cell phone when she allegedly struck and killed 70-year-old Raymond Veloz. The victim's daughter, Regina Cabrales, has filed a wrongful death lawsuit in Cook County Circuit Court, asking for an unspecified amount of money. Cabrales alleges in her suit that Beas operated her vehicle without keeping a proper and sufficient focus, drove while using an electronic communication device, and failed to slow down to avoid an accident. As proof, she points to the fact that Beas' Facebook page showed an update posted at 7:54 AM on December 7, 2010, which is the same time that Veloz's cell phone records showed a call being made to 911."

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  1. Whoooops by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Since driving and using a cell phone at the same time are illegal in the city of Chicago, having evidence that the driver was doing so at the time of the accident means the defendant has a rough day in court ahead.

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    1. Re:Whoooops by natehoy · · Score: 5, Informative

      Summary is confusing, but the article is a bit better. Here's a (hopefully clearer) summary.

      - Veloz (pedestrian victim who was killed ) was on the phone with 911 at or about the time he was struck in regards to a separate minor accident that had just happened between him and another driver. For clarity, let's call this driver "Frank".

      - Beas (driver who killed Veloz) struck and killed Veloz while Veloz was on the phone with 911 operator discussing the separate minor accident. Veloz had exited his vehicle and was talking to "Frank" about their minor accident, which means Veloz was presumably either in the road, or just at the road's edge.

      - Facebook published a post from Beas' cell phone at some time very close to the time of the accident.

      - Veloz's daughter is suing for wrongful death and is alleging that Beas was paying attention to her cell at the time.

      So, no, Beas did not update her Facebook status instead of calling 911. The 911 call had been placed by Veloz in relation to his accident with "Frank". Beas' update to Facebook happened at about the same time as that call was going on.

      In fact, while it's possible she was distracted, it's by no means proven. According to the article:

        - Beas claims, and it is corroborated by relatives, that the post was typed and submitted when she was in her car two miles away waiting for it to warm up. It's quite possible that the post was published on Facebook a few minutes after it was posted from the cell phone (I have this happen on my Blackberry all the time, and the delays can be 5 minutes or so, easily enough to drive the two miles from where Beas claimed to post her update to the spot where the accident occurred). I know I've hardly ever seen a Facebook update appear from my cell within a minute. So cell company logs of data usage should prove the timing of this (yea or nay), when correlated with cell company logs of Veloz's 911 call.

        - Beas claims and "Frank" corroborates that the sun was blinding and that it's quite possible that Beas simply did not see Veloz standing in the road due to sun glare. "Frank" claimed that he and Veloz were similarly blinded by the sun (it's not stated whether this was a contributing factor to the accident between Veloz and "Frank").

      I'm the last person to defend someone who is actually distracted by a cell phone or electronic device while driving. But, given the information provided in a couple of articles, it just doesn't appear to be the case. Beas has testimony (albeit biased) that her Facebook update was not happening during the accident, and testimony (from "Frank", who is presumably unbiased) that the sun was a major factor (which could explain why Beas didn't see a pedestrian in the road where a reasonable driver wouldn't necessary be looking for one).

      I sympathize with Veloz's daughter, but the apparent moral of this story is simple. Don't stand in the road between the sun and an oncoming car. A temporarily-dazzled driver might not see you. Even the best driver in the world can't instantly stop their car when they get dazzled by the sun.

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  2. Re:Same time? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    I think it's important what was posted. If her status update is "Oops just killed an old guy" then fair enough.

  3. Civil versus criminal law suits by erroneus · · Score: 4, Informative

    Criminal suits ==> "Guilt beyond a reasonable doubt"
    Civil suits ==> "Preponderance of evidence"

    As this is a civil suit (wrongful death is civil), the rules for civil suits apply. Most knee-jerk reactions want to look to "reasonable doubt" and then look into any time disparities among the phone, Facebook and other services and factors involved in the establishment of this evidence. (for example, timezone data could have significant impact on the reported time(s) from the phone company, the 9-1-1 service, Facebook and more.)

    If all of those time issues are in correct synchronization, then the preponderance of evidence rule would probably result in the plaintiff winning the case.

  4. Re:May as well... by Anrego · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Totally agree if she did it.

    When driving a big heavy thing that can easily kill people.. if you don't have the decency to pay attention, then when you do kill someone the penalty should be much steeper than a fine and/or slap on the wrist.

    That said, I'd say there are enough questions here that it's 50/50 whether she is guilty or not. Luckily that's what investigations and trials are for.

  5. Re:Same time? by xerio · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The 911 call was about a minor accident the victim had BEFORE she hit him. He was calling 911 about the first accident when she struck him.

  6. KIDS! DON'T DO FACEBOOK! by Thud457 · · Score: 5, Funny

    proof Facebook kills.

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  7. Re:Ban them from computers.... by somersault · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There are millions of people who text, update facebook, and talk on the phone while driving every day, it could happen to you, me, anyone!

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    Where I live, it is illegal to do so. If whatever you're doing is distracting your attention from safe control of the 1000-3000kg object travelling at likely more than 30mph, then stop fucking doing it.

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    which is totally what she said
  8. Might not be entirely the driver's fault. by chemicaldave · · Score: 5, Informative
    FTFA

    Veloz had exited his vehicle after getting into a minor accident with another motorist at around 7:30 AM. He was standing near the other driver’s vehicle exchanging information when he was struck by Beas. His right leg was partially severed, and he lost too much blood. Veloz was pronounced dead at around 9:30 AM in a nearby hospital. Beas told police that she had been temporarily blinded by the sun at the time of the collision, which resulted in a ticket for striking a pedestrian in the roadway. The driver involved in the earlier minor collision with Veloz told officers at the time that they had been temporarily blinded by the sun as well. Beas’ mother, Rosario Rodriguez, came to her daughter’s defense claiming that she posted the Facebook update as she sat in her car while waiting for it to warm up outside her boyfriend’s home, which is located two miles away from where the crash occurred.

    So. The woman could very well have been unable to see due to the sun. Was the victim standing in the road? Did they move their vehicles to the side of the road? It's impossible to prove that the driver was using her phone at the time of the accident.

  9. Re:Same time? by Nadaka · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Does it really matter if she had 2 seconds to regain her focus on the road after composing and submitting a facebook post? She was still driving recklessly by posting to facebook while driving.

  10. Subject of Facebook Message by diskofish · · Score: 5, Informative

    Rosario Rodriguez said her daughter, Araceli Beas, posted that she needed to go to the gym as she sat in her car while waiting for it to warm up outside her boyfriend’s home near East 80th Street and South Commercial Avenue last Dec. 27.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chibrknews-womans-mom-denies-facebook-allegation-20110215,0,4906576.story

  11. Re:Deterrent by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A few public executions would very likely reduce the number of fools that use smartphones while driving

    I strongly doubt it. Even for the person causing them, car accidents are risky and expensive. Even hitting a pedestrian will probably involve getting a face full of airbag, a bumper replacement, and whatever re-fit is necessary to get the airbag system re-armed. Collision with a more solid object can easily result in serious injury or death, as well as a totalled vehicle.

    Even without legal intervention, spikes in insurance rates, and the like, causing a car accident is, a nontrivial percentage of the time, something that carries an automatic punishment with it. Once you add insurance companies, healthcare hassles, and vehicular manslaughter charges, the odds get worse.

    If all that doesn't dissuade the dumbasses from keeping their eyes on their toys rather than the road, I'm not thinking that remote odds of execution would...

  12. Re:Same time? by ElmoGonzo · · Score: 4, Informative

    Assuming the FB update was made from the young woman's portable phone, someone will suponea the cell phone records. I was on a jury in 2002 where cell phone records were introduced as evidence and they had very detailed timestamps on them. That should resolve the issue.

  13. Cant tell without the time of the accident by itsdapead · · Score: 3, Insightful

    He was calling 911 about the first accident when she struck him.

    Classic bit of false inference.

    Assuming the phone times were accurate and in sync (big assumption), someone was calling 911 on the victim's phone at the same time as she hit "submit" on her Facebook upgrade. That this was the victim reporting the first accident is a reasonable surmise, but there's no evidence of this. Nor is it stated anywhere that the victim was on the phone at the time of the second accident.

    The critical bit of missing information is the precise time of the second accident. If you read TFA-within-TFA this is given as "about 8:00".

    So even if the timings are in sync and "about 8:00" was precise, the defendant could reasonably have finished Facebooking 6 minutes before the fatal accident. That sounds like enough time to be parked up, put down your phone, pull out and drive 2 miles. Even easier if "about 8:00" means "8:05" or "8:10".

    Its really not worth delving into the details of when the calls/postings were made unless the time of the accident can be pinpointed with comparable accuracy (unless you plan on baffling a jury with bullshit).

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