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National Security Jobs To Rival Silicon Valley Over the Next 10 Years?

AHuxley writes "The Capital reports on a new cyber curriculum at a Maryland high school to feed the ever growing needs of the NSA and Cyber Command. A quote from Dutch Ruppersberger (D-MD) about job growth in the local national security sector stands out: '... in 10 years, there are going to be more tech jobs than Silicon Valley.' Could the new funding for the expansion of the National Security Agency and the Army's new Cyber Command be the next big growth area for the US?"

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  1. In other words, talent down the drain by alexmin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We do realize that national security "jobs" do not produce anything, don't we?

    1. Re:In other words, talent down the drain by Antisyzygy · · Score: 2

      Im glad someone said it. Look at Greece. Their employment was mostly filled with Government jobs. Then, the money ran out to pay people and there were riots in the streets over pensions and wages being reduced or dissolved. A society that only has government jobs ends up burning itself out of capital.

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      That brings me to an interesting point, / . is just "the ramblings of socially-inept, technology-literate news-mongers".
    2. Re:In other words, talent down the drain by Antisyzygy · · Score: 2

      If everyone has a government job, and they pay taxes to the government, then where does the money come from to pay their salaries? After all, you don't pay 100 percent of your salary back to make up for your wage. Ideally you save some of it, or invest it in property, or pay for your kids food and clothing. Its simple algebra. You cannot support a society filled with government jobs unless your society is out plundering and setting up colonies. Really, you need to produce something you can trade for something else that is more valuable to your society (i.e. something you don't have or something everyone wants to make their life easier). With the exception of some US companies, that simply doesn't happen here. Its one reason the Chinese are overtaking us as the #1 world economy. Im not suggesting its necessary to be the best economy, as its better that your people are happy like in the Scandinavian countries, but all the same. Government jobs rely on private sector jobs for funding.

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      That brings me to an interesting point, / . is just "the ramblings of socially-inept, technology-literate news-mongers".
    3. Re:In other words, talent down the drain by Antisyzygy · · Score: 2

      There are no flaws in my logic. Quantifier : I said if "Everyone" has a government job then it is so. That's the way the US is going. Its not good to have more government jobs, because not only does that mean a bigger government (and thus more taxes to support it) it also means less workforce in actual production. Its better to have a healthy industry producing products that are exchanged for money and then other products we need. Yes, we are using a sophisticated barter system. However, wealth is created through the labors of each of us. For example, I can create a steam powered saw that can cut wood. It will save other peoples productive-time chopping it down themselves with an axe. Then they can spend their time using the wood from the machine to build their own other products, such as a house or a new tool. Wealth is basically what humans have built up themselves against entropy. It stretches back to our ancestors and the origin of life itself. Back to the topic at hand, unfortunately all we have to barter in the US is "Intellectual Property", and Apple/Intel/IBM/etc. are the forerunners of that. Our laws do not apply overseas and the Chinese and others are more than willing to steal knowledge from us. That is the problem with knowledge, it wants to be free. All it takes is one person to understand the new knowledge and then they have it forever. For example, if your tribe invented the bow and arrow, and mine only had spears, as soon as one of my tribe figured out the bow and arrow we would use it back against you. We cannot subsist on arbitrary laws people can break at any time. Its better to invest in a strong industry. Its either that, or invest in a strong military and force everyone to agree with your own point of view. That is precisely what the US is doing.

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      That brings me to an interesting point, / . is just "the ramblings of socially-inept, technology-literate news-mongers".
    4. Re:In other words, talent down the drain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      True, but it's a very, very inefficient way to innovate. Any market-oriented system will kick its ass. Basically it Soviet-style innovation.

  2. I hope not. by mosb1000 · · Score: 2

    No, national security jobs do not produce goods or services. If they're next big thing, they'll probably be the last big thing too.

    1. Re:I hope not. by blair1q · · Score: 2

      That's right. DARPA never produced anything of value.

  3. Re:Rediculous by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 2

    Does anyone else think this whole "cyber" thing has gotten out of hand? Someone needs to tell them that if they want to be taken seriously, they shouldn't use such a buzzword.

    I think that's a cyberiffic idea!

  4. Is your face red? by spun · · Score: 2

    I'm surprised you haven't been subjected to redicule for your title yet.

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  5. Re:"...next big growth area..." by blair1q · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Without security, you're not going to grow very much before the next guy realizes he can grow by taking what's yours instead of inventing his own.

  6. Does it matter? by khasim · · Score: 2

    Almost every state is getting rid of teachers en mass and making teaching a less desirable field to get into. Where are these cyber soldiers coming from?

    Considering that it's going to be a series of high school classes ... it doesn't matter because this is nothing more than a photo op. Politicians showing that they're "doing something" about "the threat".

    The problem is NOT that we don't have people who understand security.

    The problem is that those people's BOSSES do not care about security until AFTER someone cracks their systems.

  7. DARPA by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I had a DARPA contract during my tenure at Pixar, before we got our first film contract. The purpose was to create economic demand for computer graphics hardware by making new advances in image-processing software, so that the U.S. would have that technology if it needed it for wartime. So, it ended up making live-action and old cel animated films look better, but served the economic purpose desired by DoD.

  8. a drag on the economy by jmcvetta · · Score: 5, Funny

    The problem I see here is, that whereas Silly Valley jobs create wealth (and knowledge, infrastructure, etc) for the nation, defense jobs only consume wealth. Maybe that's part of the plan, tho... If we bankrupt the country with lavish expenditure on an oppressive security apparatus, we may just get rid of all our enemies. We'll no longer have wealth for anyone to envy, global influence for anyone to resent, or freedom for anyone to hate. Good plan, right?

    1. Re:a drag on the economy by hguorbray · · Score: 2

      >>defense jobs only consume wealth

      Actually, in this case they also reduce our privacy and personal freedoms...but it will keep a few more IT contractor jobs in the US.

      I think the terrorists/government have both won. Win/Win, we lose.

      I'm just sayin'

  9. It seems every time they beef up security... by mykos · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...I feel less secure. It's probably just me.

    1. Re:It seems every time they beef up security... by Ryanrule · · Score: 2

      Well of course. It's not your security they are concerned with.

  10. Re:Ewww thats a bingo! by peragrin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    um, have you seen facebook entries.

    citizens don't have to spy on each other they will gladly tell you everything for a little perceived attention.

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  11. Re:Nothing to hide... by EdIII · · Score: 2

    Yeah..... but what is valid? Who determines that?

    If you are own your own property, or your own home, your desire to have privacy is inherently valid. Privacy and Anonymity are a human right. It is essential to freedom. Even if you want some sort of Utopian society where everything is open and shared, you still need to respect the individual that wants their privacy and recognize that is their right.

    The challenge is that we have this erroneous belief that government determines our rights. It doesn't. It is supposed to provide *limitations* and enumerate its own rights. The Bill of Rights was a bad idea. We should have just agreed that we have the right to do ANYTHING. Flipped it on its head. Then the government should have come in and said, "Oh you can't say anything that would put the public in immediate danger like yelling fire! in a public space". Stuff like that.

    If we had the Bill of Limitations then we would have far less arguments. The limits on our speech would have been very very specific. If the founding fathers had the idea that we should only possess the amounts and types of weapons to defend ourselves, but not at the same time pose a threat to government or law enforcement, they could have spelled that out.

    Instead we have this system which ain't working out too well if you ask me. Not only were the specific rights they outlined, ostensibly to protect us, dwindling away into nothingness, the government has this idea that we have no rights except the ones they specifically give us and their rights are absolute and their mistakes are without consequence because everything is conveniently and ultimately in our best interests.

    No.

    Our desire for privacy is automatically and inviolably valid at all times.

  12. Re:Ewww thats a bingo! by EdIII · · Score: 2

    Read Fahrenheit 451.

    Teach? That's extreme wishful thinking.

    This is going to be an indoctrination. Very similar to bootcamp. These soldiers will be broken down mentally and then rebuilt. What you learn in College or some sort of trade school rarely prepares you for the real world anyways. I am sure they will teach some basics, but the real meat will be the psychological indoctrination. Afterwards they will put them into production and they will receive hands on training.

    How else are you going to get these people to ignore pesty things like due process and other so-called "rights"?