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Voice of America Site Forced Offline By 'Iranian Cyber Army'

angry tapir writes with this excerpt from TechWorld: "The pro-Iran hacktivist group that defaced the Baidu and Twitter Web sites a year ago has hit another target: the US Government's Voice of America news site. Voice of America was knocked offline temporarily after hackers were able to change the organization's DNS (Domain Name System) settings, redirecting Web traffic hitting Voice of America sites to another site controlled by the hackers."

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  1. Well, you got to feel pity for them by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Here they are raging against the great satan intervening in Islamic countries all the time, to little effect and then voila, couple of weeks and their Muslim brothers put the entire region on fire and overthrow government after government. Some in Iran must be pissing their pants by now. The world is changing and so far NOT to the extreme. All those cries for democracy in Muslim nations, that just ain't right is it. No burning of US flags, no cries for battle against Zionists. Just cries for democracy. Crazy stuff AND it is working.

    The changes of it all working out okay are... well lets face it, nobody knows what the fuck is going to happen, if you had created a scenario in which North Africa would be in one big movement to overthrow local leaders last year, people would have told you to stop being a hollywood fantast and get a grip on reality. Just look at the map, a ribbon of rebellion and the end is not in sight. If Libya also falls... well then even outrageous violence doesn't work anymore or for that matter giving at least some of the oil wealth to the general public (Gadafhi might (now) be completely insane, but he was not as corrupt as some of his counter parts and at least the west of the country generally benefitted a bit from the oil income)

    So, lets give the Iran cyber army its last few twitches before this guy will be in front of the firing squad for his allegiance to a overthrown regime.

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    1. Re:Well, you got to feel pity for them by DigiShaman · · Score: 2

      But here's the REAL irony of it all. American's (such as myself) will always espouse the great virtues of freedom and democracy. Going so far as to even overthrow a little known dictator in Iraq. But you want to know what started it's spread? Debt! Yup, that's right. Only when our financial system collapsed did it create a domino effect around the world. The nations hit the hardest are 3rd world nations and the Middle East. Only when the people have a fire lit under their ass (no jobs and lack food) will change happen. But when the world is doing good, no one wants to risk what they have even in the face of oppression.

      And that's the irony. We don't want the world to become destabilized when we are not stable too. But that's the only time change will occur under those circumstances. Whether the change is for the better however...well that's the gamble you make. Or they make in this case.

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    2. Re:Well, you got to feel pity for them by mjwx · · Score: 4, Informative

      So, lets give the Iran cyber army its last few twitches before this guy will be in front of the firing squad for his allegiance to a overthrown regime.

      But this wont happen.

      Iran will democatise in the next 5-10 years, due entirely to a large young population that Iran's theocratic government hasn't had to deal with for the last 20 years (most of Iran's youth was wiped out in the Iran-Iraq war) but it wont be a revolution.

      Iran's government is perfectly designed to weather this kind of thing. First off, the Islamic council aren't dumb, not in the slightest. The protests in mid last year were met mainly with subterfuge and false flag operations (sound familiar). Secondly they've isolated the military and police in this. They use the Republican Guard which are primarily non-Iranian Arabs (Iran is mostly Persian in ethnicity) who are loyal to the government and not attached to the people. Thirdly the power structure is not centred around a single person (president mahmoud whatisname) he's just a puppet, a front man to keep the real rulers (Islamic Council) safe.

      Actual change will take time, there is not enough pressure yet for the majority of Persians to feel the need for change. This pressure will build over time however if a violent revolution were to occur today, it would just cause most Persians to rally around the government for security, isolating the youth (making things worse). The Iranian government isn't a brutal dictator like Gadafi or an incompetent embezzling oaf like Mubarak. They are cold and calculating, much like the Soviets.

      When Iran does finally democratise it will be very good for us, the western world for two reasons. 1. Persians have westernised quite easily, even in Iran today there is a growing middle class who like the same things we do (nice cars, houses, consumer electronics). 2. There are a metric crapload of Persians who left Iran after the Islamic revolution currently living in the US, Australia and Israel, mostly Baha'i, Zorrostrians and a few Jews. Compared to these religions the Persian Christians have been well treated but they were never a big group to begin with. Iran should be our biggest ally in the ME, but we screwed that one when we deposed the legitimately elected government and put that idiot Reza on the throne.

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    3. Re:Well, you got to feel pity for them by russotto · · Score: 2

      All those cries for democracy in Muslim nations, that just ain't right is it.

      Islamic "democracy" just means you get to vote (once) for the Ayatollah of your choice.

    4. Re:Well, you got to feel pity for them by Fluffeh · · Score: 2

      I just call him Gandalfi...

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    5. Re:Well, you got to feel pity for them by TheEyes · · Score: 2

      Debt was two years ago. This was famine; food prices have gone up by thirty percent in the past year, due to several factors but most notably global warming causing higher instances of storms, leading to lower crop yields around the world.

      Iran might go on about American President X being the some sort of demon, or President Y declaring war on them, but what they really needed to worry about was the third horseman...

    6. Re:Well, you got to feel pity for them by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      Iran is really one of the more progressive nations in the entire region.

      And Grumpy is quite tall for a dwarf.

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    7. Re:Well, you got to feel pity for them by mjwx · · Score: 3, Interesting

      High schoolers and students are the first people used as foot soldiers for any anti-government actions

      1969 is calling, he wants you to know the government is bad man, also have you got any weed. A lot of popular, non violent revoltutions are lead by youth. This is also why the Iranian government is using Arabs (primarily from HAMAS and Hezbollah) as troops instead of Persians, a young Persian will think long and hard about firing on his own people, some of them his friends, a brainwashed Palestinian or Lebanese wont give it a second thought. Why do you think Gaddafi first bought in troops from Chad as opposed to ordering the Libyan army in?

      The Iran-Iraq war of the 80's depleted Iran's youth. This is why their population is seriously skewed towards the younger ages, after the war everyone started having babies because there were no kids left. As a result the generation was somewhat spoiled (Persian parents normally spoil their kids, but this was extra). Also the memory of the Iran-Iraq war lingers in the minds of older Persians. Also, literacy is very high in Iran, I can also tell you've never met one, they are not the brainwashed automata you believe them to be, in actual fact young Persians are quite well educated.

      But the whole reason why the Theocratic government will eventually fall is because the youth, which is now starting to enter adulthood wants change (war ended in 1988). They are the ones that protested in June 2010. The theocratic government is used to pandering to the needs of the older generations, the younger generations are finding themselves restricted and now that they are a rising force in Iran, they're pushing back. Iran has quite a few youth problems that they dont like advertised, in particular smuggling in of western culture (movies, music) and a rather nasty heroin problem (who do you think is buying all the poppies being grown in Afghanistan). Iran's response to this was to arrest users, shoot dealers and ignore the causes, obviously the problem remains.

      This is why any self-respecting government is prepared to face those "protests" and "revolutions", and defeat them.

      What do you think they did six months ago.

      Also, you said "defeat" not wait them out like western governments but ironically that's exactly what they do, they wait out the protest or use false flag operations to make quashing them a popular move (just like western governments). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009%E2%80%932010_Iranian_election_protests Give that a quick read. They know how to deal with protests, as I said they are not stupid by any measure. Which is why they wont disappear overnight like Mubarak has and Gaddafi will.

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  2. Re:Good! by lyinhart · · Score: 2

    Funny. If anything, VoA has been criticized for not being American enough. The running gag is that throughout its existence, VoA hadn't even created an English language version of its broadcast. Just imagine if the BBC broadcasted programs in anything but English...

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  3. Re:Iran is next by DesScorp · · Score: 2

    nice one, Iran.

    you guys are next in this revolution wave thing...

    Next? Nope. The Iranian people tried "next" in 2009. They didn't get "wave". They got "dead". The Iranian government... much like the Chinese government... proved that it's willing to go to pretty much any lengths to put down uprisings. It has a huge apparatus built for just such control, literally a religious army separate from the "regular" army, well armed, trained, and equipped. And they're fanatically devoted to preserving the Islamic revolution. Think Waffen SS, only dedicated to helping protect the Islamic Republic while it awaits the coming of the 12th Imam.

    No, I don't think we're going to see any Berlin Walls falling in Iran.

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  4. Re:Iran is next by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

    For this reason, i dont thing anything will happen in Iran unless due subversive foreign activity. A theocracy canot be overthrow for as long idiots believe that cult.>

    Arguably, subversive foreign activity(at least the sort that the CIA tends to favor) is actually a boon for theocrats and would-be theocrats. When it comes to foreign puppets, we have a hard-on for repressive right wingers that just won't quit. As long as they are tractable toward us, not commies, and keep the resources flowing, they can expect more or less free reign domestically. Rule by a repressive right wing government tends to, over time, erode the institutions(rule of law, votes that aren't farces, etc.) and demographics(a middle class, the educated, political activists) on which democratic governance largely depends. However, as a pragmatic move to avoid being assassinated or deposed for being infidel American puppets(which they are), they frequently end up coddling the worst sort of nutjobs, just so long as said nutjobs will politely ignore them in exchange for some cash and/or repression of women and booze and homosexuals and stuff(see also Saudi Arabia...)

    The end result is a puppet tyrant with minimal local legitimacy(and generally a taste for corruption an cronyism) who has cleaned house of all "civil society" elements; but has been paying protection, in the form of assorted domestic policies, to the worst sort of religious fanatics. When our puppet's strings eventually tangle, there is no civil society up on which to build a non-authoritarian government, and secular authoritarianism is widely discredited as corrupt, feckless, and an imperialist tool. Boom. Theocratic totalitarianism it is!

  5. Re:Iran is next by schnikies79 · · Score: 2

    A lot can happen in 31 years, including an entirely new generation that is very pissed off.

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  6. Re:Good! by Alex+Belits · · Score: 2

    BBC was subjected to the same criticism. The difference is, UK no longer has imperial ambitions, and BBC ended up being superior to commercial services due to the massive whoredom of the latter far outweighing bureaucracy and bias of the former.

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  7. uhh... by mevets · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The BBC is a legitimate and well respected news organization. VoA is about as close to a news organization as that Fox News Parody with Chris Wallace.

  8. Re:Good! by TubeSteak · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Funny. If anything, VoA has been criticized for not being American enough. The running gag is that throughout its existence, VoA hadn't even created an English language version of its broadcast.

    That's because, as the GP accurately said, VoA is propaganda.
    Even the US government considers it so and, as such, it is illegal to disseminate to a US audience.
    Here's the relevant law: Smith-Mundt Act of 1946

    There was an article in Foreign Policy magazine (a year or two ago) talking about how VoA turned down a US radio station that wanted to rebroadcast some of the VoA's foreign language programs.

    I can't say for sure what, if any, law constricts the Dept of Defense, but they operate under the same "not for domestic consumption" policy.

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  9. Re:Good! by bedouin · · Score: 2

    "Just imagine if the BBC broadcasted programs in anything but English..."

    They do, it's called BBC Arabic, Farsi, etc.

  10. Re:Good! by TubeSteak · · Score: 2

    oops: Smith-Mundt Act of 1948

    The short version is that information and psychological operations directed at foreign audiences are illegal to disseminate within the United States.

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  11. Just one tiny problem by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Everything you said has been said before to explain why North African countries won't rebel. And then they did.

    New game, new rules. Why do you think western leaders allowed themselves to be photographed hugging the Libyan leader whatever his name is (see comment below) and indeed the British PM is on a weapon selling trip while the weapons sold in the previous trip are busy killing civilians? A bit embarrassing?

    You also seem to have forgotten the violent repression of the earlier uprising in Iran. These are not the actions of a government willing to change. Neither are there continued attempts at making nukes. It was Libya that stopped, not Iran.

    Really, LOOK at what is happening. Something has changed. Even if Iran stays the same for now, the Middle East has changed. The power balance is gone. If Egypt and Tunesia truly become democratic they would side far closer to Turkey then dictatorships. That is going to leave the remaining dictatorships far more isolated. Rewatch the fall of the Soviet Union. Once dominoes start falling,it is hard to stop.

    I think all bets are off and considering Iran's reaction so far, they think the same thing. Why else block access to these events if they are sure their own people will stand behind the government?

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  12. Re:Iran is next by avgjoe62 · · Score: 2

    Rule by a repressive right wing government tends to, over time, erode the institutions(rule of law, votes that aren't farces, etc.) and demographics(a middle class, the educated, political activists) on which democratic governance largely depends.

    Somehow, that all sounds SO familiar...

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  13. Re:Good! by Alex+Belits · · Score: 2

    At least now they jump into the country AFTER the leaders are gone.

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  14. Re:Iranians tried, and failed against islam's terr by Canazza · · Score: 2

    Repeatedly saying "Paedophile prophet" makes it look like you've got some kind of agenda.

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  15. Re:Where is Anonymous when we need them? by tophermeyer · · Score: 2

    Bravely defending liberty and lulz from the frontlines of Mom's basement.

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