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Julian Assange To Be Extradited To Sweden
An anonymous reader writes "WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has lost his challenge against extradition to Sweden to face allegations of sexual assault. The 39-year-old Australian computer expert, who has infuriated the US government by releasing thousands of secret diplomatic cables on his website, is wanted in relation to claims made by two WikiLeaks volunteers last August."
He's not lost yet, he will be appealing against extradition.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12564865
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I also wondered about this - maybe its something to do with the informal arrangement between the US and Sweden that he leaked before.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8202745/WikiLeaks-Swedish-government-hid-anti-terror-operations-with-America-from-Parliament.html
(sorry for linking to telegraph - came up first on google and I'm lazy!)
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Actually you are way off base. UK has a storied history of standing against US extradition requests. Sweden not so much. Swedish prosecutors have also substantiated Assange's claim by stating that they would extradite to a foreign nation for a greater crime. Thirdly, although Sweden has very strict rape laws, CONVICTION rates are the lowest in the world. So in conclusion, You have spewed forth words masquerading as facts. You fool no one but yourself. Good luck with your delusions.
In addition to the issue with death penalty crimes, Sweden also can't turn him over to the US without the UK's approval anyway, under European Union laws (Various extradition rules under the European Arrest Warrant acts).
If the UK wouldn't extradite him to the US directly, there's really no reason to believe that Sweden would somehow have the power to do anything, since the UK has a veto on any surrender of him to a third party (at least, a non-EU third party) by Sweden.
It amazes me that people here just don't get the fact that Assange has no case. If you actually read the ruling (http://www.judiciary.gov.uk/media/judgments/2011/index), you'll see that not only legally did he have very little to actually complain about, but his own defense lawyer basically lied to the court.
So go ahead, rant about big government and scary oppression all you want, but it's completely irrelevant to this case. Britain and Sweden are members of the European Union. One of the major benefits of the EU is the easing of border restrictions. You can cross from France to Germany, for example, without a passport. Citizens of one EU country can legally work in any other EU country. However, this runs both ways. You can move freely between EU countries as an EU citizen, but so can the law. That's the whole point of a European Arrest Warrant. That's why Assange has no case. It's got nothing about the US, nothing about him...and all about the law.
In case you didn't get it: every single point of Assange's defense was demolished by the judge. Now, you're probably going to say "well, of course, the judge was in on it too", but read the ruling. He allegedly committed a crime in Sweden. He may well be innocent, but that's completely irrelevant. This hearing had absolutely nothing to do about his guilt, and everything to do about whether Sweden is legally able to extradite people in another EU country for crimes they are wanted in connection with. And there's not question that Sweden has that right under EU law.
I'll say it once more: read the ruling I linked to above. Assange's legal defense was very bad, and never stood a chance. It's not about people out to get him, it's about a terrible legal team
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No charges have actually been raised against him. The UK judge ignored that awkward point, as did you.
The US Constitution does not permit **any** ex post facto laws. Therefore nothing Assange has done to date is actionable under the SHIELD Act.
If Assange is smart, he'll publicly retire from Wikileaks now. Once he's gone, he won't have any links to it that would make it worthwhile to extradite him because a federal judge would just laugh at the DoJ if they actually try to prosecute him under the SHIELD Act for anything he's done so far.
Yup. It's one of many relics from Tony Blair's policy of doing anything for the U.S. in the hopes of receiving the diplomatic equivalent of pity sex.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extradition_Act_2003
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If the US gov't declares him an enemy combatant, or terrorist, they can detain him indefinitely without ever charging him with anything, essentially giving him a death sentence in prison (since living in gitmo isn't known for it's long survival rates).
So while that's true if he's under US law, don't think for even an 1/8th of a second that this would run through traditional US courts. This has been made impossible to challenge basically because of how they've set up enemy combatant/terrorist.
Also, this isn't even a criminal punishment in sweden with 1yr of jailtime, which is a requirement of extradition.
The definition of rape in Sweden is a lot more liberal than in the UK (or US, for that matter). I think the charge is something along the lines of "having sex without a barrier protection method on the assumption that the parties involved do not sleep around and then subsequently finding out that at least one does sleep around, thus increasing the risk of STDs to the injured party".
Oddly, I wasn't aware that you could be extradited from the UK to face a charge for something that isn't illegal in the UK - I think they're trying (and succeeding, so far) to peg it onto a "sexual assault" charge
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The trial can be held in camera in Sweden, the court can decide to publish nothing but the judgement (none of the evidence) and the UK judge deciding upon extradition is ok with that, citing that trials involving juveniles can be embargoed in the UK, and the Swedes just have a different idea of what needs to be made public.
So: that there will be a Swedish trial doesn't mean justice will be seen to be done.
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The definition of rape in Sweden is a lot more liberal than in the UK (or US, for that matter). I think the charge is something along the lines of "having sex without a barrier protection method on the assumption that the parties involved do not sleep around and then subsequently finding out that at least one does sleep around, thus increasing the risk of STDs to the injured party".
It's not, and it's not. Assange has been charged with rape, and the allegations include the use of force to overcome resistance.
Basically, Assange's lawyers have made up a lot of shit about this case, and people like you are eating it up.
Oddly, I wasn't aware that you could be extradited from the UK to face a charge for something that isn't illegal in the UK - I think they're trying (and succeeding, so far) to peg it onto a "sexual assault" charge
Again, your whole premise here is false.
Are you adequate?
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/12/meet-the-people-who-want-julian-assange-whacked.ars
http://news.change.org/stories/brits-arrest-assange-us-politicians-seek-to-hang-him
http://www.tomchambless.com/2010/12/01/fox-analyst-mike-huckabee-wants-to-execute-julian-assange-but-let-murderers-go-free/
http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/julian-assange-pentagon-072910
I am sorry, but this is a very, very ignorant post dude. Yes, they had sex before, but she woke up to Assange having sex with her again another time. That right there, regardless of if it was protected or not is enough even in the US to prosecute on rape charges. As for hanging out afterwards, well, I take it you have never been raped and not been the unpopular person. See, I know from my sister, who was not very popular, that when you are raped, sometimes you are even scared to bring up charges. I mean, a person who is all over the news like Assange might scare a woman to not want to bring up charges right away.
We all know Assange is a crazy, twisted bastard. How do we know that this is some "magical" conspiracy and not him thinking he is so on top of the world that he can get away with whatever he wants? For all we know, in his twisted head, he has some sort of Michael Alig thing going on where he will do and say whatever and think he is above everything. I could really see Assange thinking that way.
No, people do not like him, but did you ever think, for just one second, that some of the people are actually correct is that he is just super crazy and messed up in the head? Maybe he thinks since he started WikiLeaks, that he is on top of the world and can treat people however he wants. He surely has a written track record for acting that way. There is a book written about it. You say, "No, the book is false and was written by a rat to discredit him." Maybe Assange is just crazy. So crazy that you can write a good selling book about him and working for him. Maybe he truly thinks it is cool to have sex with a girl while she is sleeping. "Oh no, having sex with a girl while she is sleeping is perfectly fine as long as she wakes up later on"
Also, if they hung out with him later on, maybe they knew nobody else, or maybe they were scared of running away. A dude like Assange, that would be scary. You get an opportunity to get away from him, and get as far away as possible, to say, Israel.
Also, you are not a police officer. I promise you that if this situation happened in America, they would still go through the entire process Assange is going through even if proven innocent. They still have to go to court, and many times, will be waiting in a cell while they await trial (because if it is true, they would be allowing a rapist to roam the streets before his court date).
Also, race has nothing to do with it, and when you bring that into play, that means you are stretching to prove this conspiracy theory.
As for the leaks, maybe they have had them for awhile, and to help Assange, they saved them until he got in trouble with anything. Speeding ticket? Well, people are out to get him. He has rape charges in Sweden. So if he is innocent, he will go to trial. Even before the leaks, he is big enough to where if anything besides just this trial happens, everybody knows about it. There is no way for him to just up and be taken away and phase away. He is too big, and he knows it and is playing off of that.
"Oh, I don't believe he would have raped 2 girls" How sure are you? The dude is crazy. It is documented that he is out of his gourd. He just "happens" to have hacking charges? Uh, don't brush those off. If I had hacking charges, that would be a big deal for me. When you are in the line of work of showing people possibly classified documents, hacking charges are big. I know it is somebody else who brought them up, not you, but I am combining posts here.
Here are my predictions of what really happened:
Assange had sex with the girls. One one to sleep, he thought "time to get some sloppy seconds" and went for it. She woke up while he was doing this and NOT using a condom. He knew he messed up doing it, so he fled to Britain. When they tried coming at him with the charges, he starts going crazy again saying that it is all some conspiracy to get him executed in the US. He has WikiLeaks push out the leaks they were hold
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You presented a very specific list of acts your government needs to commit before you concede that it may rightfully scare people. I will instead offer "a German citizen who was kidnapped in Former Yugoslavic Republic of Macedonia, flown to Afghanistan, interrogated and tortured by the CIA for several months as a part of the War on Terror, and then released". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khaled_al-Masri
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