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Julian Assange To Be Extradited To Sweden

An anonymous reader writes "WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has lost his challenge against extradition to Sweden to face allegations of sexual assault. The 39-year-old Australian computer expert, who has infuriated the US government by releasing thousands of secret diplomatic cables on his website, is wanted in relation to claims made by two WikiLeaks volunteers last August."

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  1. Appeal by MrL0G1C · · Score: 5, Informative

    He's not lost yet, he will be appealing against extradition.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12564865

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  2. I would just like to take this opportunity to say. by Seumas · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'd like to use this opportunity to say how much I love my government, my politicians, the corporations within it, the aristocrats, the bureaucrats, the wealthy and everyone else in power. I wish you all success and long, healthy lives. I would never go so far as to even so much as *voice* dissent, much less act out against or for anything. I love you all and consider myself gloriously privileged to live in this country. Most importantly, I enjoy having access to my bank account, medical records, medical services, government services, utility services, my reputation, my property, my family and friends, and continuing to actually exist and not be abducted and disappeared overnight. I promise my sincere obedience in the hope to retain all of these things, which I know come only *with* said obedience and may be withdrawn from my life at your leisure, if I ever make any untoward movements or noises. Bless you all and may you continue to live long and rewarding lives.

  3. Did more for Democracy in the Arab World by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...who has infuriated the US government by releasing thousands of secret diplomatic cables on his website...

    Maybe so, but I think he did more for moving the Arab World towards Democracy than the US ever did.

    I mean think about this: food prices are going through the roof and people see, thanks to WikiLeaks, that their "leaders" are living high on the hog at their expense. I think they've seen (I hope) that their leaders played them for chumps by blaming the US for all their problems and at the same time, taking billions in foreign "aid" for the US so that the despots can fight against terrorism - our retarded Government actually believed that only the despots could fight against terrorism.

    And I think the leaks have shown that some of their "revolutionary leaders" who are "standing up to" the US are nothing but liars and cheats.

    If the charges are true, I would expect Assange to pay and if they are made up for whatever reason - government intrigue or for attention whoring - I hope that he is exonerated and the people behind the ruse are exposed and punished.

    1. Re:Did more for Democracy in the Arab World by maxwell+demon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Maybe so, but I think he did more for moving the Arab World towards Democracy than the US ever did.

      Possibly the U.S. government is angry about that, too. They just can't say it aloud.

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  4. Re:Why does he fear Sweden will send him to US? by Duncan+J+Murray · · Score: 5, Informative

    I also wondered about this - maybe its something to do with the informal arrangement between the US and Sweden that he leaked before.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8202745/WikiLeaks-Swedish-government-hid-anti-terror-operations-with-America-from-Parliament.html

    (sorry for linking to telegraph - came up first on google and I'm lazy!)

    D

  5. "The Genie is Out of the Bottle" by h00manist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wikileaks popularized leaks, as Napster did p2p. Legal or not to authorities, the people have approved and adopted it, and it cannot be squashed so easily, short of a legal massacre. There is no going back, the genie is out of the bottle, the cat out of the bag, change is here, either side with progress and change, or with the establishment and status quo. Assange being prosecuted and imprisoned will encourage people, release him and the same will happen.

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  6. Re:Why does he fear Sweden will send him to US? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually you are way off base. UK has a storied history of standing against US extradition requests. Sweden not so much. Swedish prosecutors have also substantiated Assange's claim by stating that they would extradite to a foreign nation for a greater crime. Thirdly, although Sweden has very strict rape laws, CONVICTION rates are the lowest in the world. So in conclusion, You have spewed forth words masquerading as facts. You fool no one but yourself. Good luck with your delusions.

  7. Re:Why does he fear Sweden will send him to US? by mckinnsb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's all about buying time for the United States to attempt to push the SHIELD bill through Congress. Right now, Assange is an Australian Citizen who has committed no crime in the United States or in the United Kingdom or the Commonwealth of Nations. While in Sweden, Assange will be incarcerated or on bail while he awaits and undergoes trial, a process which could take years. This means that Assange will not be able to leave Sweden for a country which does not have an extradition treaty with the United States while undergoing trial in Sweden: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extradition#Extradition_treaties_or_agreements for a list of them. This would give the United States time either pass the bill, or find *something* they can stick on Assange. (While Assange is no mobster, remember that they got Capone on tax evasion. The powers that be don't always care about *how* you become guilty, just that you are.)

    I'm sure they would have preferred to keep him in the UK - they are the provincial spear carrier of the United States, to use Chomsky's words -, but he committed no crime there, and they are trying to make this look as "legal" as possible. The last thing they want to do is make a huge scene over this, or make a martyr out of Assange through "unjust law" (although that still may happen) and spawn copycats. Thus the die down in press on Assange since his first denial of bond; until now of course.

    Don't be surprised if the next thing you see on FOX News is Glenn Beck extolling the virtues of the SHIELD Act, while on CNN you have a "balanced debate" about "national security" and the "continuing need" for "tighter safeguards against terrorism".

  8. The fix is in by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Won't matter. This whole play was written before he even met those women in Sweden.

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    1. Re:The fix is in by dave420 · · Score: 4, Funny

      [citation needed]

    2. Re:The fix is in by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In 50 years, when all the documents are declassified showing the scummy shit going on behind the scenes on this, I'll be sure and send them along.

      But for now, you just keep believing it's a coincidence that a guy who hadn't had a single criminal offense in 39 years (aside from some minor hacking stuff) suddenly turned into a rapist a few weeks after embarrassing the most powerful government in the world. You keep believing that it was just chance that two women willing to press charges against him for unrelated crimes both met him within 24 hours of each other. You keep believing that Daniel Domscheit-Berg isn't a plant who's part of a larger effort to discredit Assange by any means necessary, or that these bullshit charges aren't a part of that effort either. You keep believing that some of us didn't see this discrediting campaign coming even as Assange was stepping off that plane in Sweden.

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    3. Re:The fix is in by LWATCDR · · Score: 4, Interesting

      So those women are guilty until proven innocent? Assange is innocent until proven guilty at least under US law but this seems like mindless hero worship at this point.

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    4. Re:The fix is in by poetmatt · · Score: 4, Informative

      If the US gov't declares him an enemy combatant, or terrorist, they can detain him indefinitely without ever charging him with anything, essentially giving him a death sentence in prison (since living in gitmo isn't known for it's long survival rates).

      So while that's true if he's under US law, don't think for even an 1/8th of a second that this would run through traditional US courts. This has been made impossible to challenge basically because of how they've set up enemy combatant/terrorist.

      Also, this isn't even a criminal punishment in sweden with 1yr of jailtime, which is a requirement of extradition.

    5. Re:The fix is in by Minix · · Score: 4, Informative

      The trial can be held in camera in Sweden, the court can decide to publish nothing but the judgement (none of the evidence) and the UK judge deciding upon extradition is ok with that, citing that trials involving juveniles can be embargoed in the UK, and the Swedes just have a different idea of what needs to be made public.

      So: that there will be a Swedish trial doesn't mean justice will be seen to be done.

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    6. Re:The fix is in by Minix · · Score: 5, Insightful

      When a country has decided to abandon (when expedient) the legal principles which give its legitimacy, all kinds of instability ensues.

      I'm not surprised that people are left to speculate on what the US might do, because the US has recently and clearly demonstrated itself to be capable of gross and persistent violations of human rights (water boarding is torture) of due process (extraordinary rendition) and of deception, equivocation and spinning like a big old ferris wheel to justify these transgressions.

      You can't really blame OP for fearing the worst when it comes to the USA's behaviour in these matters.

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  9. Re:Why does he fear Sweden will send him to US? by Americano · · Score: 4, Informative

    In addition to the issue with death penalty crimes, Sweden also can't turn him over to the US without the UK's approval anyway, under European Union laws (Various extradition rules under the European Arrest Warrant acts).

    If the UK wouldn't extradite him to the US directly, there's really no reason to believe that Sweden would somehow have the power to do anything, since the UK has a veto on any surrender of him to a third party (at least, a non-EU third party) by Sweden.

  10. Re:Appeal by rainmouse · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You do know that the US has a similar extradition treaty with the UK? If the US really wanted him they could just go after him in Britain.

    After the fiasco of the Enron three being extradited to Texas and charged for crimes done in the UK against a UK bank then sentenced to jail over something that isn't even a crime in the UK, it is not likely to happen again. It is also worth noting that it is a staggeringly unfair, one-way extradition policy set up by a previous government and is likely to be repealed if challenged, especially in another political farce, double-dipped with political corruption like this whole Assange business is.

  11. He can still avoid the SHIELD Act by MikeRT · · Score: 5, Informative

    The US Constitution does not permit **any** ex post facto laws. Therefore nothing Assange has done to date is actionable under the SHIELD Act.

    If Assange is smart, he'll publicly retire from Wikileaks now. Once he's gone, he won't have any links to it that would make it worthwhile to extradite him because a federal judge would just laugh at the DoJ if they actually try to prosecute him under the SHIELD Act for anything he's done so far.

    1. Re:He can still avoid the SHIELD Act by Toze · · Score: 5, Informative

      The US constitution doesn't permit warrantless seizure of property, either, but the DHS can do it within 100 miles of the border. Maybe your faith in the constitution shouldn't extend to the politicians responsible for maintaining it.

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    2. Re:He can still avoid the SHIELD Act by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Two-thirds of the US population lives in the "border zone". I guess it's reasonable for 200 million Americans to be subject to warrantless searches. http://www.aclu.org/technology-and-liberty/fact-sheet-us-constitution-free-zone

  12. Re:Why does he fear Sweden will send him to US? by MysteriousPreacher · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yup. It's one of many relics from Tony Blair's policy of doing anything for the U.S. in the hopes of receiving the diplomatic equivalent of pity sex.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extradition_Act_2003

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  13. Re:No US Extradition by Xest · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You're assuming of course that Sweden will follow the letter of the law.

    It's perfectly possible Sweden will just ignore it's obligations and ship him to the US anyway. Why? Because a nice lucrative deal for their corporations in the US will be worth far more to them than a bit of fall out in Europe which will result in perhaps a few bullish exchanges, and then will be quickly forgotten.

    That's really all the US has to offer Sweden- something to make it worthwhile for them, and as Sweden is such a small country, it's not too hard to do something that'll make a big impact. A $20bn trade deal might not be enough to sway countries like the UK or Germany into dodging their international obligations, but to Sweden it would've been enough to completely negate their annual economic contraction during the recent financial turmoil and then given them some growth on top.

  14. Re:On what charges? by DeadCatX2 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I was under the impression that Sweden gave him permission to leave the country. How could he skip town if they let him leave?

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  15. Re:He didn't rape them by Estanislao+Mart�nez · · Score: 4, Informative

    The definition of rape in Sweden is a lot more liberal than in the UK (or US, for that matter). I think the charge is something along the lines of "having sex without a barrier protection method on the assumption that the parties involved do not sleep around and then subsequently finding out that at least one does sleep around, thus increasing the risk of STDs to the injured party".

    It's not, and it's not. Assange has been charged with rape, and the allegations include the use of force to overcome resistance.

    Basically, Assange's lawyers have made up a lot of shit about this case, and people like you are eating it up.

    Oddly, I wasn't aware that you could be extradited from the UK to face a charge for something that isn't illegal in the UK - I think they're trying (and succeeding, so far) to peg it onto a "sexual assault" charge

    Again, your whole premise here is false.

  16. Re:Appeal by Will.Woodhull · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It doesn't matter whether Assange thinks he might be victimized by the USA or not.

    What matters is that significant voices in USA politics have been publicly calling for the USA government to go after Assange. His lawyers have introduced that as evidence. The British court system has to accept that evidence or reject it on some evidentiary basis; it cannot be rejected because it sounds too far-fetched to be true.

    I think the action of this lower court is appropriate. Since it knows that Assange has the means and the desire to appeal, it has taken this route to kick a thorny set of legal questions up the stairs, where a court with more appropriate authority can rule on the amount of risk that McCain, Palin, Beck, Limbaugh and others represent to Assange's rights under British law.

    The same applies to whether the arguments that: 1) he should not be extradited before he is charged with a crime, and 2) that he should not be extradited for behavior that is not recognized as criminal in any EU country other than Sweden. These are all heady matters that deserve the attention of a higher court, and the appropriate way to make that happen is through appeal.

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