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Contents of Leaked HBGary Emails Reveal Wrongdoing
chargersfan420 writes "Ars Technica has sifted through the contents of the HBGary emails leaked last week in the attack by Anonymous and posted an interesting story about some of the things they were up to (which include rootkit development, selling rootkits to the private sector, and an entire list of 0-day exploits in a variety of OSes and other software, among a variety of other devious plans). Today they are reporting a democratic push for a congressional investigation of HBGary Federal."
eventually anonymous would become a V for vendetta mask behind which vigilantes would do things that needed to be done, like this. Where are the people who were foaming at the mouth against Anonymous just a few weeks ago huh ? Here is anonymous justice, packed up and ready to go. The justice which was in no way delivered by the normal means you were speaking about that people should follow.
of course good guys, indifferent guys, and bad guys will do things by hiding behind such a mask. but, that doesnt make the presence of that mask, something bad.
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So they were clearly and intentionally on the more shady end of ethical boundaries. They aren't a security firm, they're crackers for hire.
how is babby formed?
i told you that, going after anonymous would cause more hardcore circles, which are in constant rebellion to anything that is establishment, to take up the cause of the anonymous.
Anyone spending a few years in the early stages of internet, in which those underground circles were not so underground like today, would be able to know and tell the same. Its the rebel net culture. That underground is multitudes over the level of what the private lackey corps or govts. can afford to hire or educate. They are of a sort that grows/breeds on its own.
Despite their roads have diverged with most of us the early netizens like me, i indeed learned to develop a deep respect for their kind. For, even if they do a lot of shady stuff, they do have a very strong attachment to some principles. and that's something to be respected.
Anyway. see, what they have done. good luck to govt and their lackeys in finding who did it. they may even be inside hbgary itself. you'll never know. once a rebel, always a rebel.
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4) Don't use Java
Interesting what they have unpublished 0-day exploits for.
http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2011/02/16/lessons-to-learn-from-the-hbgary-federal-hack/
..... blah blah and stole proprietary and 'confidential' information which was STOLEN by us by using ROOTKITS and VIRUSES and 0 DAY EXPLOITS from private citizens' computers ....."
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down below.
http://sophosnews.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/hbgary-rsa-sign.jpg?w=640
"A group of AGGRESSIVE hackers known as 'Anonymous' illegally broke into blah blah
corporate lack of shame. you produce rootkits, viruses, 0 day exploits, malware to spy on people, steal their confidential, legally private information to SELL them, and then you dub that information 'proprietary' information belonging to you
i wonder what will they say in their defense in front of senate committee. what's more, i wonder what will the senate committee say to them, in regard to their dealings with this filthy outfit.
whats the slogan of hbgary anyway ? "hey - we produce viruses, rootkits, 0 day exploits and malware to steal your private information to sell to corporations and government !!!" ?
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4. Don't be evil and you won't have anything that could be used against you
Oh man. That was funny. You had me a moment there.
--- "When you gotta do something wrong. You gotta do it right. (Fighter)"
As an "Obama supporter" (if that even makes sense) I would like this investigation, so that this comes to light if it is true. Since my support of people is not axiomatic, I would like evidence supporting their trustworthiness. I understand this position may appear alien.
That's why we need 2 congressional investigations in parallel. One run by Republicans digging up any dirt they can find on Democrats, and one by Democrats digging dirt on Republicans.
What we really need is a Highlander style competition amongst politicians. That way there's just one we need to feed to a tree chipper to restore democracy in the U.S.
I've been occasionally hearing this argument lately. "Yeah, we know these guys are doing bad things, but what if you find out that your guys are doing bad things, too? That would prove that you're even more evil, now wouldn't it!" It sounds like an attempt to conflate a hypothetical situation with what's actually going on. You know, things that there are no evidence for yet do not deserve equal weight with things that are actually evident.
This is in no way to say that I think the Obama administration is completely blameless and angelic in all things. If we were to discover that this firm was working on some of the same hacking and propaganda techniques on behalf of the government, then I'd damned well like to know about that as well. If the Obama administration was using these tactics on American citizens, I hope the investigation uncovers it somehow. And if you, parent poster, murdered a bunch of people ten years ago, I would hope that you are sent to jail for it. You know, if you did that. But in the meantime, we've got documents pointing to fraud being done by this firm on behalf of the Chamber of Commerce, so why don't we start with that?
Libertarians somehow believe that private businesses should be stronger than governments but weaker than individuals.
RTFA.
There were contracts and delivered goods with 0-day kits to both government and corporate sources.
I'm a concientious
Anyone want to take bets on this, what are the odds that there will be an investigation of HBGary? Anyone want to put up some money on the "Sure, there will be an investigation" side?
Can I be on the "There will be an investigation, but not a good one." side?
Anything can be found funny, from a certain point of view.
Have you ever considered that we might like to know about government malfeasance even if it's done by people we voted for? (hell, especially in that case).
If this radical idea had occurred to the Republican voter base back in 2001, maybe they wouldn't have to deal with a Democratic President in the first place.
Are they gonna be investigated too?
I have left slashdot and am now on Soylent News. FUCK YOU DICE.
That only holds true if
1. "ethically" is the same as "legally".
2. You're version of "ethically" is the same as everyone else's version of "ethically".
"Trolls they were, but filled with the evil will of their master: a fell race..." -- J.R.R. Tolkien on Olog-hai
You're going to dig for info on their union-busting, but you're going to be very embarrassed if you find out that the Obama administration was in bed with these scumbags on some other sleazy project(s) that come up too.
If Obama has unclean hands he deserves whatever he gets.
In reality, this is nothing but empty sabre rattling.
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Really? It doesn't have anything to do with justice? You DO realize that there are several eastern religions that talk about karma, and that while it isn't the same in all of them, most conceptions of karma can be boiled down to "you reap what you sow." How is that not justice?
It still stems from the misconception that the self is separate from the universe. Being separate, the self is an uncaused cause. We all understand how cause and effect work, if that were all karma were, there would not be a separate word for it, it would just be "causation." No, karma springs from the idea that the self is a separate uncaused cause, and therefore, there needs to be some spiritual method of restoring balance caused by the unbalancing actions of the separate self. That method is karma.
The most common conception of karma is in relation to reincarnation, that how you act in this life determines what you are reincarnated as. That is a form of wishing after justice. The next most common conception is of a kind of universal enforcement of "you reap what you sew," which posits that if you do bad things, bad things will happen to you. As we can see that bad things do not always happen to bad people, that leads right back into believing in reincarnation, karma will ensure those bad people are punished, if not in this lifetime, then the next. That is the sense the OP was using it in.
If you take the self out of the picture, then all the concept of karma is saying is that bad things are bad, while good things are nice. Bad things lead to hurt, while good things lead to happiness. As there is no "self" in this discussion, it doesn't matter who perpetrates the action and who receives the bad feelings. I kick you in the nuts, you feel nut-pain, THAT is real karma. And also not how the OP was using the term at all.
Are we done with school yet, or would you like another lesson?
- None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
I think you may be mistaken. It may fall under bulletpoint #3, but I doubt that covers a corporation.
Exceptions to the Exclusionary Rules
Courts will sometimes allow illegally-obtained evidence to be used in a criminal trial. This usually occurs when the court realizes that the information is vital to incriminating a person who may be guilty of a serious offense.
Evidence obtained illegally may be excluded from the exclusionary rule when it:
* Comes from a private person who was not acting for the government
* Comes from the state government, which turns the evidence over to the federal government
* Violated a person’s rights, but the person is not the one who is on trial
* Would have been found eventually through legal means
* Cannot be used to the defendant’s advantage because of other evidence
In short, when the federal government has jurisdiction over a case, any evidence that a third-party obtained can be used in the case as long as the federal government did not ask that third party to commit the act.
http://www.lassiterlawoffice.com/articles/the-exclusionary-rule/
There is a war going on for your mind.
3. You are omniscient and avoid running afoul due to ignorance.
No matter how ethically you behave, if someone wants to nail you to the wall because they don't like you, they can probably dig up something you've failed to do -- some tax law you fail to meet, some paper you failed to sign before you did something, some place you happened to be that you didn't know you shouldn't be, etc.
Also, in some countries, you can get in trouble for failing to pay bribes. I consider bribes unethical. See the problem?
Of course, neither of these run afoul of the "actively hiding" clause -- they depend on the "ignorantly hiding" clause. But once you realize that the only reason you're not in trouble is because you failed to disclose something, do you disclose it (acting ethically) and pay the penalty (no longer being safe), or do you hide it (no longer acting ethically) and fly under the radar?
Ethics are social. This world has many societies, and they aren't all compatible.
Hey, for a historical example, Jesus was killed because he was condemning the unethical acts of the Jewish elite. They accused him of things he readily admitted to (as well as a bunch of lies) that were punishable by their law by death by stoning. Of course, if they'd followed that law (ethical to them) then they would have been guilty of murder under Roman law -- Romans considering stoning both unethical and illegal.
Those who are truly willing to live by their ethical code have to be willing to die by it. They are by no means "safe".
Then why didn't they name it the 9999/10000 commission?
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Did you read the other article where they were hired by a law firm to spy on and defame unions?
I think the main wrongdoing is not the *acts* themselves, but using knowledge gained/obtained by funding of their government military contracts (ostensibly to be used on the non american enemy) and then going around and selling those services for private companies to use against american businesses/corporations/individuals.
I think it is sort of a research to make sure the military isn't effectively funding private espionage. Forget the part where it is American businesses. What's even worse is it is possibly espionage against unions (political speech)
If you still believe climategate was anything other than a political beat up then you haven't even bothered to do your own investigation.
And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
the existence of personna management software makes you wonder about the useage of facebook and other social media in the revolutions in Tunisia, Egypt and Libya doesn't it...
Donald 'Duck' Dunn: We had a band powerful enough to turn goat piss into gasoline.
I would have modded you up, but you're already at 5.
Evidence based support of politicians. Evidence based policy. Evidence based... stuff in general.
If it turns out that the folks I voted for are scumbags, I'd like to know so they can be kicked out, taken to court, discredited, whatever. It's not "my team" and "their team", this is not about tribes or who's dad can beat up who else's dad, this is about the governance of of the USA.
If more people thought like this we wouldn't have the ridiculous spectacle of politicians throughout the western world getting away with all sorts of dodgy behaviour because "if you don't vote for me the other tribe will win!" and we might actually get a government we want.