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IPad 2 33% Thinner, 2x Faster, iOS 4.3
Steve Jobs was on hand today deliver a speech at Apple's iPad 2 event. The
new iPad will feature dual-core processors, 2x faster CPU, and 9X faster
graphics, front and rear cameras. And it's 33% thinner. Prices range from $499 to $829 depending on if
you want 3G and 64 gigs, and it ships March 11. iOS 4.3 will ship at the same time.
Will the $829 model be 65% hipper than the $499 model? I *really* want to impress the other guys in the drum circle.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
To be fair, the fact that they bought first-generation products proves that they secretly enjoy suffering and inevitable alienation.
How can I believe you when you tell me what I don't want to hear?
Kept you from buying anything else, didn't it?
No. The copycat nature and ho-hum'ness of 'anything else' is what kept me from buying it.
"I like to lick butts!" by MobileTatsu-NJG (#32700246) (Score:5, Informative)
I'm not entirely convinced this is aimed at upgraders, apart from bleeding edge users but seems to be more for drawing in the second round of buyers. Those that wanted the camera feature, those that have seen what competitors have produced and are now making their purchase decision. There seems to be a minor price reduction on the existing IP1 too, £329 for the 16Gig is showing at time of writing on the UK store, though the IP2 is not listed there yet. No doubt there's so much stock of the IP1 that a price drop will cause more fence sitters to buy in at the older model if they decide they don't want the newest.
It's a nice tactic and these guys really are the pro marketeers. They could sell water to fish.
This follows (loosely) Intel's tick - tock model and doesn't overwhelm the consumer too much allowing production methods to be refined to lower cost for the next tick product whilst still staying in a good market position with the tock item.
Nope. The 2nd gen ipod touch and 3g iphone can run iOS4 but won't get this upgrade.
Gone!
Just use Apple's Camera Connection Kit, it plugs in to the dock connector.
Yeah, it's not like you can make a chip faster without increasing its clock speed.
How can I believe you when you tell me what I don't want to hear?
Things normal people wanted and didn't get: USB port, wireless syncing, lower price, 7-inch version
Things normal people wanted and did get: faster, more powerful, same battery life, white body, two cameras, FaceTime
Things geeks wanted and didn't get: oh, hell, I'll be here all day. The geeks can go buy a Xoom to hack instead.
No flash. Less features than a XOOM. Lame.
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I really dig my iPad, and have no reason to get this new one.
Except..Apple is going to make me download the new OS, making my iPad 1 slow to a crawl. Just like they did to my iPhone 3G.
Yes I know I could never update. But, that doesn't seem like a reasonable thing to ask your customers to do.
On a desktop, adding more resolution to your monitor allows you to fit more stuff on the screen. On iOS devices, where each app takes over the entire screen when it's running, the only way to scale up the resolution without making everything look like crap (anti-aliasing, anyone) would be to *double* the resolution in each direction. That's what the upgrade to the iPhone 4 Retina Display did. Is that even technically feasible for something the size of an iPad at the current price point? Thousands of app developers are thrilled that they don't have to redesign their applications for a new resolution.
The device is under 9mm thick. Making the battery replacable means you have to add two more layers of thickness around the battery module itself, another layer inside the battery bay, a little space for fit tolerance, all adding up to non-trivial increase in overall thickness just so a small percentage of users can actually replace the battery (most who say "I want a removable battery" won't actually do it). Never mind the extra space/weight needed for the connector, interface circuitry, and other stuff. In addition, the replacement battery would have to be almost as wide as the iPad, only ~3mm thick, and somehow strong enough to not bend & break. Solving all that just isn't worth the problem being solved.
The 10+ hour run time is real. Are you REALLY not going to have a chance to recharge, using a 2 cu in charger, during that time?
In a year of heavy use, I've drained my iPad battery at most a half-dozen times, maybe twice when having a charger nearby wasn't a viable solution.
Can we get a "-1 Wrong" moderation option?
Forever. It is a strategy tax. Adding SDHC would make the lower end models compete with high-end models, and Apple prices the low-end models competively, but they make the profit on the high-end models that are much more expensive than expanding the low-end models would cost. 32Gbyte SDHC($50) plus a 3G modem($20) cost a lot less than the $330 price difference.
If they added SDHC-readers they would either have to raise prices on the low-end, or reduce the profit margins on the high-end.
Not that that makes it okay, I still resent them for it, but it makes perfect business sense, and this is no point in dreaming unless they are put under more customer pressure.
In all of the iOS devices I have ever had, I have not once had to replace a battery. And even if you need to Apple can do that for you, which is something like once every three years at worst, probably longer (since as I said I have not had to replace a battery in a device yet).
In any device if I wanted longer use time (for instance on an international flight) I always found an external power pack preferable, as they can be smaller than a second battery for a real device - I mean think of how an iPad extra battery would have to be shaped, all by itself it would be pretty bulky and large, where an external battery can opt to be much thicker but also far less higher and wider to provide more battery life in a more compact package.
Apple has made the right choice by making the devices as small as possible, and moving the occasional need to longer use into an external form that can be customized into many shapes and sizes and capacities instead of just one monolithic replacement battery.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Unless I missed something, it still only comes with an embedded hard drive, forcing you to shell out $$ for a larger hard drive. Even my NookColor has an SD slot (and is also rootable on Android). I feel pretty much about this as I did the first one--looks cool, but considering it costs approx. the same as a laptop (except without Flash), it's an expensive toy.
If you've never been modded as "flamebait" or "troll," you've never tried to argue a minority viewpoint here!
The iPad is still assembled by cheap Chinese labor who sometimes get suicidal and jump off the Foxconn factory roof so they installed nets.
Well if that bothers you I imagine you aren't buying electronics from any other hardware maker that hides the numbers Apple publishes and produces gear at factories that treat the workers even worse. How do you think a $300 Android tablet gets to be that cheap anyway...
Back to your cave now.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
0%, because all programs still have to run on the original iPad. You can have a "fragmentation free ecosystem" or you can have real advancement each generation It's kind of hard to have both. This is why PC games and some Android games have adjustable graphics settings for different hardware, but Apple deems that to be "fragmentation."
The new audio output which supports 5.1 dolby and 1080p is huge. The HD output is especially nice for teachers since it supports any app, not just specific Apple sanctioned ones like the first iPad (at 480p).
What I do with the other hand I leave as an exercise for the reader's imagination.
Drink the Kool-aid?
Same here. Funny how they say they got 9x faster graphics and 2x faster CPU, but didn't bother implementing retina display, which, at it's worst-case point, would take a 4x higher toll on the device (assuming quadrupling total pixel count).
I think the manufacturing of the higher-res displays was the problem. Either they ended up being too expensive or there were too many defects.
I need a tablet to read stuff. I want to do it in a way that would match the visual experience of reading a book.
I work in the art departments of various movies. Lots of reference images and paintings floating around. I would reaaaaally like to go paperless. I'm not the only one, the iPad is popping up all over Hollywood. It may even finally convince the big-wigs that wireless internet should be part of every facility. I also know a couple of photographers that would love to have a high-res iPad for reviewing photos.
Mas pixels por favor.
"I like to lick butts!" by MobileTatsu-NJG (#32700246) (Score:5, Informative)
That's an interesting perspective, considering some of the amazing consumer video cameras that have come out over the past few years. 1080p30 is now standard. But more than that, the color saturation and reproduction has gotten much better, movement tear is less common, and compression artifacting on your source feed is basically gone. Camcorders are moving into using 3-color chips. Good optical anti-shake still requires about a $500 price point camera (since that technology is pretty mature at this point), but digital anti-shake has gone from godawfully blurry to just a bit blurry.
Heck, 6 years ago most consumer grade cameras were interlaced. INTERLACED!
And on the high-end, the Reds have come out and taken professional production by storm. A video camera with high enough quality to take out single frames and use them as stills for full-size / full color fashion magazine covers? Add in the low-light cameras that will happily shoot at dusk or night with professional grade output, and we are truly living in the future.
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Looks like Jobs is 33% thinner, too. Poor guy.
Actually Facetime is an open spec, anyone can implement a device that supports it...
Now how you find them from an iOS to non-IOS device, that part I'm not sure how easy it is to implement.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Apple's batteries are among the longest-lasting on the market. 10 hour iPad, 7 hour laptops. Even their smallest, thinest laptop gets 5 hours. Apple's battery numbers are also far more accurate than those listed by other manufacturers.
That's a lot less of a dig than it probably appears. Apple does what it does very well.
Sure, you just called Apple users locked-in, superficial cultists. Not a dig at all...
I would disagree. The iOS APIs specifically allow for graceful degradation of framerate in 3d rendering. To give a concrete example, when I switched from the iPhone 3GS to the 4, framerates for 3d games and augmented reality apps shot through the roof.
As far as adding adjustable graphics settings, it's completely unnecessary. With only a handful of devices to support, standard practice to to pre-select optimized settings for each device, which are transparently loaded without user involvement. Very elegant and very very easy for developers to implement.
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Why pay $30 for a dongle that does something that most every netbook ever made has built in?
Because the iPad doesn't. Your question is nonsensical. You might as well ask, "why pay $40 dollars for an external optical drive for a netbook when every other computer has them built in?"
Most games for iOS include high-resolution textures which are loaded when you run it on an iPhone4 or an iPad and lower-resolution textures when the game runs on an iPhone 3G(S) or iPod Touch. New games will surely make use of the power of the new iPad2 and will simply scale down to run on the iPad1 or any other iOS device.
Pretty good is actually pretty bad.
Have you read the reviews of Flash on Android?... every review points out how it turns the entire experience to shit.
Speaking of that, installing flash is kind of like turning my basement into a septic tank for the entire municipal sewage system. Nobody really wants that, but we all have to listen to "that guy" going on and on about how real end users like my mom love the experience of finding diamond rings that accidentally get flushed, and the smell isn't really so bad once you get used to it, and its the most modern way of civil engineering so it must be the best way to do it.
"Science flies us to the moon. Religion flies us into buildings." - Victor Stenger
Honest question, I'm wondering what you feel the upcoming gingerbread tablets are lacking that makes the iPad that much better? I'm still not convinced i need.. or even want.. either, but right now if i did it would be android simply so i'm not locked into iTunes again. Hated that with my iPhone, don't want to go back.
Why pay $30 for a dongle that does something that most every netbook ever made has built in?
Please, how do you expect Apple to charge $100 for 16 gigs of memory if they start throwing in SD slots all willy-nilly.
Beauty is in the eye of the beerholder.
Love the Slashdot reaction, especially the comments about what 'normal people' think. The iPad has a fucking awesome, objectively great battery life. How does Slashdot react? "It's not user replaceable!". Whatever. I've had mine for nearly a year now and it still gets over 10 hours. Maybe in another 2-3 years it'll degrade but, honestly, like I give a care.
The iPad is incredibly cheap. This thing was widely expected to start at $1000+ last year and it started at half that. The iPad 2 is coming in at the same price points and is way cheaper than the competition. The Xoom 32GB goes for £499 in the UK. The iPad 2 32GB? £399. A fucking c-note of difference, and a sterling c-note at that. So what's the Slashdot reaction? "Too expensive!" and "lower the price!".
iOS devices have a track record of holding up well against new cycles of iOS for at least a couple of years. As someone said above, the original 2007 iPhone 4 held up well until iOS 4 in 2010, and is still faster on its pared-back iOS 4 than some other non-Apple smartphones I've seen. Compare that with Android phones released months ago that already have no prospect of ever even seeing any OS updates, let alone being able to handle them with grace. What's the Slashdot reaction, though? "So I suppose they're going to brick my iPad now to force me to upgrade!". Bull. Shit. It's amazing how, on Slashdot, completely make-believe, possibly-maybe-in-the-future downsides for iOS seem to outrank actual, major-fuck-up downsides happening right now for Android.
The iPad has a solid, very nice capacitive resistant IPS display. Let's not forget that some tablets are still coming out with horrible, piece-of-shit resistive screens that can only actually be viewed from one angle beneath a layer of plastic. No, the iPad 2 does not have a retina display (whatever that would mean in the iPad world), but then again the only people who ever speculated that it would have absolutely no fucking clue what is going on inside Apple, just like the rest of us. So, what's the Slashdot reaction? Do they satisfy themselves with what is already a display that is better than most and as good as any out there, but which fails to live up to a standard that only existed in the realm of fantasy? Fuck no they don't! "No retina display! Rip-off!"
"No 4G!". Okay, seriously, get out more. Yes, in a few years, greater cellular data speeds will obviously be needed for services we can't even fully imagine right now. But right now, 6-7mpbs on an iPad 3G should be enough for everyone (ho ho). What is anyone doing today on their iPad in mobile situations anyway? Browsing Flickr? Streaming Netflix? Can't these things be done perfectly well at 3.5G speeds? What about data caps? Besides, are there tablets out there that actually have 4G? Whatever '4G' even means. Do you mean LTE or WiMax? American LTE or Chinese LTE? The one available in some places in the US or in some places in Europe, and none of which is available in any true scale? Man, I can't imagine why Apple hasn't leaped head-first into this technology, which is so obviously ready for primetime!
"No 7-inch screen!". Fuck off. This from the same crowd that roared that the iPad was just a big iPhone. 7-inch screens are a cop-out by bullshit manufacturers who cannot price-match the iPad at 10 inches.
"No Flash!". Yeah okay. You get that one. I'm really missing those wicked banner ads spamming my eyes from all corners. What about iAd, you might cleverly retort? I have 200 apps and maybe 15 that I use daily or very often, and I have never - as in not once, ever - seen an iAd. Anyway it's true that, once in a blue moon, I come across a video that isn't playable via HTML5 video. Somehow I get by. If you're genuinely bothered by the lack of Flash, then I respect that. IMO this is as close to a genuine trade-off as the iPad comes. I have a sneaky feeling, though, that a lot of the uproar surrounding Flash and iOS is actually coming from people who are scrambling for something (anything!) that they can fire at Apple
How hard would it be to find the number of suicides in the US, the number of people in the US, the number of people in China and then (the only hard one) number of suicides by Foxconn employees?
Turns out not hard at all. Foxconn = 400,000 employees, with 12 suicide attempts. US suicide rate is 11 per 100,000.
Google is hard.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/07/business/global/07suicide.html
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/oct/21/science/sci-suicide21
God, you made me laugh so hard. Copycat nature of everything else? You mean the ones who did these things way before Apple did?
I stand corrected. The massive success of all these other tablets proves just how run-of-the-mill the iPad is. You win.
"I like to lick butts!" by MobileTatsu-NJG (#32700246) (Score:5, Informative)
The GPS chip is part of the 3G board, which is missing from all the WiFi only models.
Yeah, I was totally going to buy that android tablet, but it had a USB port so I was like "no way".
It's why I love Apple so much -- Not having useful features is *awesome*
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