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Libyan Internet Flatlined

dnsdude told us about the latest developments regarding rumored Libyan Internet censorship. It appears that massive censorship is occuring with two of the five .ly root name servers being unreachable. It's difficult to tell if this is because of intentionally bad routes, or the result of actual infrastructure damage.

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  1. bit.ly is still up by blair1q · · Score: 0

    fwiw, I can still browse to bit.ly.

    I've been expecting Twitter to have a major conniption when Gaddafi inevitably shuts down the whole .ly TLD.

    1. Re:bit.ly is still up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If bit.ly continues to be hosted at the same IP address, will this route continue to be reachable despite the root servers going down?

    2. Re:bit.ly is still up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is because only 2 out of the 5 .ly root nameservers are down. The other three will pick up the slack.

    3. Re:bit.ly is still up by Stenchwarrior · · Score: 2

      When I trace to bit.ly it stops in San Jose, CA. They probably have mirrors in several countries and this one happens to be closets for us.

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    4. Re:bit.ly is still up by Stenchwarrior · · Score: 1

      Closest, not closets....

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    5. Re:bit.ly is still up by blair1q · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If you look at the graph on the google page linked in the summary, and expand it to the left, it turns out that Libya's traffic was about 50% lower a few weeks ago, when the revolution started. It's been improving. The "flatline" is suspicious, especially since 3 of the 5 .ly root servers are still up. It also falls in the area of data that's still being collected by Google, so it might be specious.

    6. Re:bit.ly is still up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Closest, not closets....

      Dude, I'm not the parent.

      When I see these pedantic corrections on an internet discussion site, it just hits a nerve with me - yeah, I know: I have issues.

      Have you ever fired off a quick note to someone and not do a proof read because the spelling really wasn't that important but the point was and the point had to be made quickly?

      Or mis-spoke? Or mis-spoke and corrected yourself only to have someone say, "I know what you meant." - in other words, correcting yourself was a pointless waste of time.

      We all make mistakes when speaking. Or when typing. And in some cases, such an internet discussion site, it really doesn't matter and is a waste of time to spend proof reading and whatnot - this isn't a resume, dissertation, article, or legal document.

      Get a life.

    7. Re:bit.ly is still up by blair1q · · Score: 2

      Get a life.

      Took you 200 words to fall into that irony.

    8. Re:bit.ly is still up by milage · · Score: 1
      It was probably more that he wanted to prevent the torrent of correction posts from other /.ers...

      Get a life.

      Was that really necessary?

    9. Re:bit.ly is still up by Sulphur · · Score: 1

      That is because only 2 out of the 5 .ly root nameservers are down. The other three will pick up the slack.

      Three out of five isn't bad.

    10. Re:bit.ly is still up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, no, what's *really* irritating is when people comment on the comments commenting on the corrections to comments.
      Now, comments commenting on the comments of people who are commenting on comments critical of the correctness of corrective comments are commendable.

      furthermore... someone here is worse than Hitler and we really need to determine which one of us it is.

    11. Re:bit.ly is still up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DNS cache or "poisoning" by ISP?

    12. Re:bit.ly is still up by Stenchwarrior · · Score: 1

      If I didn't make the correction then someone, probably you, would have made a joke about how I have mirrors in my closets or some stupid shit like that. The one who needs to concentrate on getting a life is the guy that posted a long-winded message about how much it bothers him when people make corrections on their typos.

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    13. Re:bit.ly is still up by icebike · · Score: 3, Informative

      Closest, not closets....

      Dude, I'm not the parent.

      When I see these pedantic corrections on an internet discussion site, it just hits a nerve with me -

      Dude: he was correcting HIS OWN ERROR.

      LEARN to read before you try posting.

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    14. Re:bit.ly is still up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Three out of five isn't bad.

      But if the average male has five inches...

    15. Re:bit.ly is still up by flonker · · Score: 1

      It's not the web host, it's the .ly TLD DNS servers that are having issues. If I had a .ly domain, I would probably be increasing my TTL records to whatever I thought I could get away with. I remember it being something like 2 weeks, before people start ignoring your TTL and using a "sane" default.

      http://www.kloth.net/services/dig.php
      dig: couldn't get address for 'dns1.lttnet.net': failure

        ; > DiG 9.3.2 > @localhost bit.ly A +trace
        ; (2 servers found) ;; global options: printcmd
        . 3600000 IN NS C.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.
        . 3600000 IN NS D.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.
      [snip]
        . 3600000 IN NS A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.
        . 3600000 IN NS B.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. ;; Received 500 bytes from 127.0.0.1#53(127.0.0.1) in 1 ms

        ly. 172800 IN NS dns1.lttnet.net.
        ly. 172800 IN NS dns.lttnet.net.
        ly. 172800 IN NS ns-ly.ripe.net.
        ly. 172800 IN NS auth02.ns.uu.net.
        ly. 172800 IN NS phloem.uoregon.edu. ;; Received 263 bytes from 192.33.4.12#53(C.ROOT-SERVERS.NET) in 24 ms

      and a second time:

        ; > DiG 9.3.2 > @localhost bit.ly A +trace
        ; (2 servers found) ;; global options: printcmd
      [snip]

        ly. 172800 IN NS phloem.uoregon.edu.
        ly. 172800 IN NS ns-ly.ripe.net.
        ly. 172800 IN NS dns.lttnet.net.
        ly. 172800 IN NS dns1.lttnet.net.
        ly. 172800 IN NS auth02.ns.uu.net. ;; Received 263 bytes from 192.203.230.10#53(E.ROOT-SERVERS.NET) in 180 ms

        bit.ly. 172800 IN NS ns3.p26.dynect.net.
        bit.ly. 172800 IN NS ns2.p26.dynect.net.
        bit.ly. 172800 IN NS ns4.p26.dynect.net.
        bit.ly. 172800 IN NS ns1.p26.dynect.net. ;; Received 110 bytes from 128.223.32.35#53(phloem.uoregon.edu) in 193 ms

        bit.ly. 3600 IN A 168.143.172.53
        bit.ly. 86400 IN NS ns2.p26.dynect.net.
        bit.ly. 86400 IN NS ns3.p26.dynect.net.
        bit.ly. 86400 IN NS ns1.p26.dynect.net.
        bit.ly. 86400 IN NS ns4.p26.dynect.net. ;; Received 126 bytes from 208.78.71.26#53(ns3.p26.dynect.net) in 13 ms

    16. Re:bit.ly is still up by blair1q · · Score: 1

      Nope. Google has verified the data. They're getting nothing from Libya. But I suspect that they don't include all .ly root servers in that, since bit.ly is still resolvable. The .ly root nodes that are still working are likely not actually in Libya. Google may understand this and not include traffic to them in their statistics.

    17. Re:bit.ly is still up by Dan541 · · Score: 1

      The DNS cache will eventually expire without updates from the root. So without Human intervention it should disappear, I don't know if there is a protocol to save the cache in the absence of root or not. But you can manually enter it into your own hosts file.

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    18. Re:bit.ly is still up by datapharmer · · Score: 1

      whois lookup for bit.ly is nonresponsive. Just because the SOA records haven't expired means nothing.

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    19. Re:bit.ly is still up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DUDE! Get the mirrors out of your closets!

    20. Re:bit.ly is still up by MJMullinII · · Score: 1

      Five? No wonder everyone else is pissed at me.

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    21. Re:bit.ly is still up by Stenchwarrior · · Score: 1

      +5 informative.

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  2. Wonder if Bit.ly is still happy about their URL. . by JSBiff · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I've always wondered if using a .ly domain name would come back to bite bit.ly in the arse. I just checked, and it still appears to be up, but if all the .ly servers go down for more than a day, no one will be able to use their service.

  3. What about bit.ly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    bit.ly is still up and running.

  4. all your base... by ravenspear · · Score: 5, Funny

    are belong to me. The people love me. I am not a leader, I have no position. I cannot step down.

    But you have voluntarily given all your base to me. I am divine protector of your base.

    I will never leave. Your base is safe with me.

    Some young people have taken drugs which caused them to make poor decisions about their base.

    The correct decision is to give all your base to me. I will never leave you. The people's councils honor me with their base.

    I am forever.

    1. Re:all your base... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      forever is not forever ...

    2. Re:all your base... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      o/` Don't cry for me, Argentinaaaaaaaa o/`

    3. Re:all your base... by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Funny

      are belong to me. The people love me. I am not a leader, I have no position. I cannot step down.

      But you have voluntarily given all your base to me. I am divine protector of your base.

      I will never leave. Your base is safe with me.

      Some young people have taken drugs which caused them to make poor decisions about their base.

      The correct decision is to give all your base to me. I will never leave you. The people's councils honor me with their base.

      I am forever.

      Is it me, or is anyone else having trouble deciding if this is a quote from a Libyan dictator...or Charlie Sheen?

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    4. Re:all your base... by EnsilZah · · Score: 1

      Welcome to Gaddafi's Libya
      This is Gaddafi's Libya
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      This is Gaddafi's Libya
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      Yes, this is Gaddafi's Libya
      This is Gaddafi's Libya and welcome to you who have come to Gaddafi's Libya
      Anything is possible in Gaddafi's Libya
      You can to anything Gaddafi's Libya
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      Welcome to Gaddafi's Libya
      This is Gaddafi's Libya
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      This is Gaddafi's Libya
      Welcome to Gaddafi's Libya
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    5. Re:all your base... by machine321 · · Score: 1

      Some young people have taken drugs which caused them to make poor decisions about their base.

      Did they free base?

    6. Re:all your base... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Zombo.com or.... GADDAFICOM!

  5. Suck it bit.ly by smelch · · Score: 0

    Sucks for the Libyans, but at least maybe these stupid US based companies using the Libyan TLD will get what's coming to them for abusing DNS.

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    1. Re:Suck it bit.ly by kthreadd · · Score: 1

      How is registering a completely valid ccTLD "abusing DNS"?

    2. Re:Suck it bit.ly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I agree it's not really "abusing" DNS, but there is something to be said in favor of using your own country's infrastructure - or that of a stable, well-developed country, at the very least. Using a Libyan domain was probably a bad business move, as it counted on the shit never hitting the fan in Libya, and if experience tells us anything, then it's that EVENTUALLY, the shit always hits the fan.

    3. Re:Suck it bit.ly by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      It's going against the planned heirachy. It's like putting all your documents in /var/lib. It'll work, but that's just how it's supposed to be done.

    4. Re:Suck it bit.ly by heypete · · Score: 2

      It's not really abusing DNS, but it seems really foolish to found a business that relies upon a (at the time) potentially unstable (and now definitely unstable) foreign country's ccTLD.

      Google's shortener, goo.gl, uses Greenland's ccTLD, which is quite stable. Austria (.at), Iceland (.is), and other clever-sounding ccTLDs are in stable countries with good infrastructure. Libya...not so much.

    5. Re:Suck it bit.ly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Because a country TLD was meant to be used for services run from within that respective country, or directed at that country.
      Same goes for all those who abuse .tv for television stuff.

      Hell, the whole damn system has been broken for years. .com, .org, . everything there is, barely any of them are used for the reasons they were created.
      The wiki article has a list of several ccTLDs that are abused.
      ccTLD abuse
      This is what happens when guidelines aren't rules. Greed takes over and, well, ^ happens.

      And it is pretty much too late to fix it, along with the horrible mess that is the DNS system in general. (mostly because of people lacking in basic computing knowledge)
      Newsgroups had it mostly right. DNS as it is now is terrible, and massively open to abuse simply because of the order of sections in the URIs
      Flip the whole section around (sans directories) and it would cut out a huge number of problems. Also ditch the stupid 2 character maximum assignment for ccTLDs. 3 has and always will be the standard.
      Then allow for much better organizational groups, such as charity, non-profit, e-mail, media, education, search, banking, porn, whatever.
      http://ccTLD.sitetype.domainname.subdomains/directories/
      Now, doesn't that look a HELL of a lot better than the crap we have now?
      Examples
      http://us.search.google.images/?some-parameters-here
      http://us.news.google/?some-parameters-here
      http://us.news.slashdot.yro/story/11/03/04/1732232/Libyan-Internet-Flatlined
      And so on. No need for silly abuse of TLDs, much better organization.

    6. Re:Suck it bit.ly by icebike · · Score: 1

      Heretofore, Libya has been very stable. For about 30 years.

      Libya was so stable that our democratically elected president forgot that Libya actually had a constitution, used to hold elections, and he mistook Gaddafi for a legitimate ruler, who only NOW lost his legitimacy due to violence against his own people.

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    7. Re:Suck it bit.ly by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      Thats better than keeping them in /proc

    8. Re:Suck it bit.ly by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      Because a country TLD was meant to be used for services run from within that respective country, or directed at that country.
      Same goes for all those who abuse .tv for television stuff.

      And all those who abuse .com for USA stuff when they should be using .us

  6. Perfect by McTickles · · Score: 0

    More oil on the fire!

    Rotten governments might finally start falling!

    They sure are doing everything they can to anger people further.

    1. Re:Perfect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would hope that once teh gubbemint starts shooting at its own citizens, even Americuhns would revolt. Turning off the internet is a moot point at this juncture.

  7. Re:Wonder if Bit.ly is still happy about their URL by palegray.net · · Score: 5, Informative

    Root servers for the ly TLD:

    • dns.lttnet.net
    • auth02.ns.uu.net
    • ns-ly.ripe.net
    • phloem.uoregon.edu
    • dns1.lttnet.net

    All of these would have to inoperable before all .ly domains would stop resolving, and there's still the matter of caching at intermediate DNS servers until the TTL expires for records. Additionally, bit.ly isn't hosted within Libya. In short, I don't expect bit.ly to be going down over this.

  8. All your .ly are belong to us by Compaqt · · Score: 1

    Could there be a way to transfer control of .ly to the Benghazi Provisional Government of Libya?

    I, for one, would welcome new overlords of .ly.

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    1. Re:All your .ly are belong to us by morgauxo · · Score: 1

      They probably have more pressing matters to attend to right now. Then again... so does the other side.

    2. Re:All your .ly are belong to us by Compaqt · · Score: 1

      Twitter to Benghazi: Got .ly?
      Benghazi to Twitter: Got ammo?

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  9. Re:Wonder if Bit.ly is still happy about their URL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Three of the .ly nameservers are outside of Libya, so as long as those are still answering queries .ly domains should be fine.

  10. This is probably real but... FTFA by morgauxo · · Score: 1

    Data after this point are still being finalized. Interpret them with caution.

  11. Google Transparency Report by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google shows zero traffic as well:

    http://www.google.com/transparencyreport/traffic/?r=LY

    1. Re:Google Transparency Report by blair1q · · Score: 1

      You might want to mouse-over the links in the summary...

  12. Link is up. Layer 8 is down. by mbone · · Score: 4, Informative

    I posted what I know here :

    http://forum.americafree.tv/showthread.php?p=45045

    It looks like the undersea cable is fine and BGP is up, but there is no reachability past the landing site. This indicates that there is probably not physical damage, at least to the landing site and the first hop routers, but a cut somewhere after that. If I had to guess, I would guess that Gaddafi or his minions just told the ISPs to shut it down.

    As the only Libyan landing site I know of is in Tripoli, this may also cut off the liberated areas in Cyrenaica.

    Redundancy in routing is good - an overland link between Benghazi and Alexandria could be very useful right now.

    1. Re:Link is up. Layer 8 is down. by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      It could have been an official request. Sure. It could have also be that there's no electricity feeding that area. Either it was intentional to demoralize the citizens, or damaged from warfare. Perhaps it's just the data center that's running off backup power, but for how long?

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    2. Re:Link is up. Layer 8 is down. by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      I posted what I know here

      Except - you don't seem to actually know anything. All you've got is a collection of links pretty much doing nothing but repeating what we already know - internet traffic to Libya is down.

  13. Re:Wonder if Bit.ly is still happy about their URL by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

    Well, that's easily solved for us slashdotters. Bit.ly is 168.143.172.53, at least to me here in the southeast UK. Just point your hosts file there.

  14. I guess "abusing" by smelch · · Score: 1

    was the wrong word, but these cutesy URLs annoy me in the same way starting a comment in the subject annoys me. Use fields (or ccTLDs) the way they are supposed to be used.

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  15. In AD 2011, civil war was beginning. by Tackhead · · Score: 1
    In AD 2011, civil war was beginning.

    all your base are belong to me. The people love me. I am not a leader, I have no position. I cannot step down.

    What happen?

    But you have voluntarily given all your base to me. I am divine protector of your base.

    I will never leave. Your base is safe with me.

    Some young people have taken drugs which caused them to make poor decisions about their base.

    What you say?!

    The correct decision is to give all your base to me. I will never leave you. The people's councils honor me with their base.

    I am forever.

    You have no chance to survive. Make your time.

    (For great justice. Move packets!)

  16. Vector without math by Adam+Appel · · Score: 1

    2 of 5 is not a flatline. It's 40%.

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    1. Re:Vector without math by blair1q · · Score: 1

      It's 60% still working, or up to 100%, if there's redundancy among them.

    2. Re:Vector without math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      2 of the 2 root servers in Libya are unreachable. That is a flatline for the " Libyan Internet".

  17. Re:Wonder if Bit.ly is still happy about their URL by SomeoneGotMyNick · · Score: 2

    Bit.ly is 168.143.172.53

    Can you shorten that IP address for us?

  18. Re:Wonder if Bit.ly is still happy about their URL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > Well, that's easily solved for us slashdotters. Bit.ly is 168.143.172.53

    Hmm that doesn't seem to fill-out my IPv6 field. Is that some form of obsolete protocol that you're using?

  19. Re:Wonder if Bit.ly is still happy about their URL by TheSync · · Score: 1

    I am sure Gaddafi could, at any time, have Libya Telecom & Technology "turn off" the .ly TLD by contacting every root server.

    Not sure if/why he'd want to do that, but I think one has to recognize that a TLD in a country run by a dictator is a serious business risk.

  20. Re:Wonder if Bit.ly is still happy about their URL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sure

    http://2827988021

  21. Yo dawg ... by sourcerror · · Score: 1

    I put some comment into your comments so you can comment when you comment.

  22. ALL YOUR COKE BELONGS TO US! by Thud457 · · Score: 2

    They should put Quadaffi on "Two and a Half Men" and make Charlie Sheen dictator of Libya.
    That'd be cool.

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  23. Anticipation? by metrometro · · Score: 1

    A few days ago, Comcast stop serving .ly addresses in Chicago for a few hours. Bit.ly told me (via thier Twitter team, who was pretty quick) that it was routing problem with Comcast. I had assumed that some root name servers were down, but at the time, they checked out fine on other ISPs.

    I kind of feel like these things might be related, like tinkering with the .ly nameservers to avoid the three in Libya, but I don't know enough about this to ask the right questions. Plausable?

    As as aside, while troubleshooting this, bit.ly staff kept sending me shortlinks to solutions that I couldn't load because .ly timed out. Linkrot! Funny/scary.

  24. No Access to Libyan Ghey Pr0n Online? by hduff · · Score: 0

    Now what will the Libyan army do for the weekend? They have to work out that aggression somehow . . .

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    1. Re:No Access to Libyan Ghey Pr0n Online? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now what will the Libyan army do for the weekend? They have to work out that aggression somehow . . .

      Use gaddafi the giraffe as a pinyatta?

  25. Re:Wonder if Bit.ly is still happy about their URL by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

    Partial success: Firefox works if I disable proxy, but the Squid I use for caching and ad-blocking doesn't work with decimal-representation IPs.

  26. This is no fun without MG supporters by Tokolosh · · Score: 1

    If you post in a vaguely supportive way about Wikileaks, the law and order jarheads emerge and a robust (but depressing) conversation ensues. Here we have no opposing viewpoint from Qaddafi and his toadies, which removes all the charm from reading /.

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  27. Just depressing. by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

    In other news from Libya protesters where attacked with machine guns and mortars. In know compared to cutting the internet that is minor but just thought I would throw that in. I fear that this one of those cases when I was right and a wished I was wrong. After Egypt I made the comment that I feared that the dictators where learning that they couldn't be just a little evil. Looks like I was right. That and it looks like Regan was right as well. After he had proof that Libya had been behind the terrorist bombing in Germany he ordered a strike. Too bad that SOB Bettino Craxi decided to warn Libya.

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  28. Re:Wonder if Bit.ly is still happy about their URL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Really? You think uoregon would be up for supporting him?

  29. Re:Wonder if Bit.ly is still happy about their URL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sure. A8.8F.AC.35.

  30. At least they can watch Libya State TV by h00manist · · Score: 1

    No Internet, cellphones, or any channels. Only the Hostage Citizens Information Service TV. If dozens of countries are so upset, I don't understad why they don't engage in at least a little channel-specific Lies-TV jamming of their own to shut up the fool.

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  31. Re:Wonder if Bit.ly is still happy about their URL by palegray.net · · Score: 1

    I think you're forgetting that Libya does not control the public root. INAIC does, and I somehow suspect the entire ly TLD going dark "because a maniacal dictator said so" wouldn't last terribly long.

  32. Re:Wonder if Bit.ly is still happy about their URL by SomeoneGotMyNick · · Score: 1

    Sure

    http://2827988021

    Kudos!!!