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Google Cars Drive Themselves, In Traffic

An anonymous reader noted that "At the TED 2011 conference this week, Google has been giving extremely rare demos of its self-driving cars. TED attendees have even been allowed to travel inside them, on a closed course. The car is a project of Google, which has been working in secret but in plain view on vehicles that can drive themselves, using artificial-intelligence software that can sense anything near the car and mimic the decisions made by a human driver."

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  1. Re:On US 101? Irresponsible by Nailer235 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Classic fear mongering. The car always had a driver in it (with override capabilities) while on public roads.

  2. Re:On US 101? Irresponsible by BrightSpark · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Have you seen the lunatics out there? Give me a robot any day! We are given a licence (one test only) in our youth and then out you go, rain, hail or shine, fit or unfit, tired or not, drunk or senile or both. That's ignoring the meatheads who want to deliberately drive dangerously and those not paying attention on a mobile phone texting "RORL" (roll off road laughing). I see your point but lets move on.

  3. 2nd order effects by hajus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The 2nd order effects from this are going to be interesting. If you only have robot drivers (and you will, cause with lower accident rates, you'll have lower insurance rates if you always let the computer drive), you won't need visible signs or traffic lights. How would this affect pedestrian crossings? Would pedestrians feel irrationally unsafe crossing a road with robot drivers on it? Will we remove speed limits as computer reaction and cognitive ability gets faster?

    1. Re:2nd order effects by NicknamesAreStupid · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Cabbies, bus drivers, truckers -- all expensive and unnecessary with automated autos (is that redundant or what?). Automated taxis would replace mass transit at a fraction of the cost, and it would become pointless for many people to even own a car when they could summons one at a small charge. The social and business effects would actually be 1st order. The blowback will be F5.

  4. Re:awful, awful awful awful by causality · · Score: 5, Insightful

    there is no way a @#$ robot can judge what to do about oncoming accidents, like a pedestrian, a deer, a squirrel, a semi jackknifing, an ambulance passing, a crash ahead of you, a gigantic pothole, a box full of dishes that fell off a truck, a big tree branch, a patch of black ice, a tire blowing out, a semi weaving in a strong wind, etc etc etc.

    Perhaps not, but it's likely to be a hell of a lot better at not doing the idiotic things that cause the overwhelming majority of accidents in the first place.

    Almost all accidents other than collisions with animals that run out in front of you are due to human stupidity. Black ice may be an exception, maybe, except that if the conditions allow it to happen a prudent driver accounts for the possibility (note that if you hit a patch of black ice the accident is considered your fault esp. for purposes of determining liability). Everything from:

    • Tailgating
    • Running red lights
    • People who think the purpose of the left lane is to drive the exact same speed as the car to your right so other drivers are tempted to perform dangerous maneuvers just to get around your inconsiderate punk ass, rather than submit to your roadblock
    • General failure to yield
    • A belief that your text message is more important than the lives of others
    • A sudden urge to make a right turn from the left lane because proper planning of your route is too much to ask from a puny intellect and you're far too self-important to go a little up the road and find somewhere to turn around and go back
    • Drunk driving

    You name it. It's plain old human stupidity. It's a particularly egregious kind of imbecility too, the kind that fails to recognize that other people exist and can be harmed by your poor decision-making. If "robots" can be programmed not to do these things I'm all for it. Alternatively, if robots can be programmed to beat the living shit out of people who do these things, I'm all for that too.

    to do that, you first have to win over the 'trains = communism' crowd using some kind of distributed jobs program

    That's a new one to me. I have heard complaints that many train systems would be uneconomical, in the sense that they'd never survive without some kind of subsidy. I haven't heard anyone actually refer to alternate transportation as a tenet of Communism, however.

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  5. Re:awful, awful awful awful by Mr.+Freeman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Absolutely false. The car is completely capable of detecting pedestrians, deer, stopped cars, etc. This thing knows how to stop in the event that some shit goes down (see link below). You're just making up a lot of bullshit based on literally no research.

    SOURCE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Atmk07Otu9U Skip to 2:10 to see where the ABC reporter makes a move like she's going to run out in front of the car. The thing slams on the brakes.

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  6. It's Stanford, not Google. by Animats · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is just funded by Google. It's the group at Stanford which did the DARPA Urban Challenge that's doing the work. It's essentially the same technology. They're getting very good at this.

    The thing on top of the car is a rotating cone of LIDAR scanners. The original version of that was developed by Team DAD for the 2005 DARPA Grand Challenge. The prototype, which was a much bigger wheel of scanners, fell off the vehicle. But they then built a more compact production version, the Velodyne scanner, with 64 lasers. It costs about $100K per unit, but automatic driving became much better once that came out. Most of the teams in the DARPA Urban Challenge used that.

    Personally, I think the rotating machinery approach is too expensive for production, and that the Advanced Scientific Concepts flash LIDAR has more promise as a production product. The ASC system requires some exotic custom imaging ICs, with a time-of-flight timer behind each pixel. That's the kind of thing that's incredibly expensive when you make 10 of them, and cheap when you make 10 million.

  7. Re:But it's Google... by maxwell+demon · · Score: 5, Funny

    Taxi: Welcome to the free automatic Google Taxi. Where do you want to go?
    Passenger: To the train station.
    Taxi: OK. By the way, there's a Starbucks on the way. They currently have a special offer, two coffees for the price of one. Maybe you want to go to there first?
    Passenger: No, I just want to go to the train station.
    Taxi: If you are interested in train stations, maybe the railway museum would interest you. It's only five minutes from here.
    Passenger: I'm not interested in the train station, I just want to get my train.
    Taxi: Maybe you are interested in Morton's model railway shop? They have great models, and I can get you there in only ten minutes.
    Passenger: I don't want a model train, I want to use the real train!
    Taxi: Did you know that just this week, the Railway Academy opened? In the first year they give discount for their locomotive driver courses. I can send you the application form to your phone.
    Passenger: I don't want to drive the train, I just want to take the train. And if you don't drive me there soon, I'll miss it.
    Taxi: Did you know that you can buy train tickets with 5% discount at train-ticket.com?
    Passenger: I already have the train ticket. I just want to get to the fucking train.
    Taxi: Oh, you are interested in fucking? There's a whorehouse not far from here ...

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