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Facebook Offers Easy Commenting Alternative
Spice Consumer writes "Facebook has just unveiled a 'new system (that) lets website owners replace their current commenting system with Facebook's simply by dropping in a few lines of JavaScript.' How widely adopted this new system becomes could greatly affect Facebook's already entrenched position on the web and further compromise individual users' privacy."
and all it does is prevent me from posting comments.
Something to do with me not having a facebook account but my voice is being stifled because I am not an attention whore.
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DONOTWANT
And be done with it.
No folly is more costly than the folly of intolerant idealism. - Winston Churchill
CNN uses this for comments on many of their stories.
The quality of discussion tends to be better, people self-regulate more crazy responses, and the comments are longer (rather than one sentence rants).
Blog sites use comment hosting systems such as disqus.
In my experience, a blog post will receive much more comments when hosted in this manner, rather than just the site's internal comment system.
IMHO, anybody that places actual, tracable personal data anywhere online, deserves precisely what they get. Only a total fool would put stuff on any site that could be traced back to them or be used for fraud (which is rampant). It's especially difficult where you need to purchase something. In that instance, I would use PayPal or some such service, to minimize the number of places that have your data.
Not uncommon practice, at least.
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TaijiQuan (Huang, 5 loosenings)
I work for a website that utilized Facebook as the commenting system. The problems with that, aside from being Facebook-biased, were lack of comment control (no admin way to delete comments), and lag while Facebooks comments sync with each article. Because of those and the lack of choice, we switched to Disqus.
Or not.
(shrug)
I'm thinking maybe I need to change some of my "bio" information to a few lies..... like born in 1888, or living in Shang-ri-la
Information wants to be expensive AND wants to be free. So you have Value vs. Cheap distribution fighting each other.
Please, please please tell me this can be used with my Google Blogger account!
Actually, how about we add some carefully crafted counter-referring Google Adsense and Microsoft adCenter ads and see if we can bring the whole house of cards down!
Three Squirrels
So how will this impact me? Will it stop me from posting comments? I intentionally chose not to stay on FB and got rid of my account 6 months ago as it was a waste of my time and resources.
Now I just spend my day on /. wondering if people are reading my posts and hoping to get modded up so I can increase my karma and feel loved.
Keep in mind that 90% of the world IS NOT on Facebook.
Your 90 percent figure might mislead if one doesn't stop to consider what percent of the world is on the web to begin with. We have three groups: A. those with Facebook, B. those with web and e-mail but not Facebook, and C. those without web and e-mail. Switching your comment system from OpenID to Facebook login affects only group B, and I imagine C is far bigger than A and B put together. (But I'm in B, you insensitive clod!)
Keep in mind that 90% of the world IS NOT on Facebook. Sure, it might seem like "EVERYBODY" is on Facebook, but it's only 10 percent of the world. Facebook will get replaced by the next "new thing" before too long.
Ugh, will the next new thing be as irritating?
Already does this, and is everywhere. Facebook playing catchup?
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Could you imagine what would happen if either bought the other? Skynet would become self aware in a minute or two :)
I am quite upset at all those sites using Facebook's login. Using Facebook for commenting is just another step in the wrong direction of giving Facebook powers over large swaths of the Internet.
And we're not talking of a benevolent, honest company here, either. This is a company that will try any and all unethical tricks in it's toolbox, and back just half a step back after a huge storm of dicontent. Then they'll try again. This is Fuckerberg's domain, you don't want them in control of anything outside of Facebook.
"The agriculture ministry is not in charge of Gundam" - Japanese ministry official.
At least there's alternatives. I prefer Disqus for my blog. It is easy to add, it lets someone else handle the login/password stuff, and doesn't have the whole Facebook/real name problem.
As I wrote to the Atlantic after being blocked for not having a Disqus account, "Why does the Atlantic presume to require me to enter into a contractual relationship with a third party to communicate with your editors?"
The Disqus terms allow them to spam you and to send your information to advertisers.: "We use Personal Information ... to provide you with information and offers from us or third parties that we believe you may find useful or interesting, including newsletters "
The U.S. Government negotiated better terms from Disqus. The Goverment made them take out the bad stuff. If your site wants to use Disqus, demand to use the Federal terms, not the standard terms.
I doubt your company "had this" last year since it's been fully revamped on March 1st.
I really don't get it.
How does this differ from Goggle's embedded JS (AdSense, Analytics) ? Why no one seems to worry about privacy on other sites, but insists that Facebook has severe privacy issues ?
If you're all concerned about privacy, refrain from putting that information on the net. And that's true for *all* service providers out there, not only FB, not only Google, not only Microsoft. All.
Besides, the /. article summary is completely biased. There is absolutely no reference to privacy concerns on the original article (except in comments).
For me, having the opportunity to put a FB-enable commenting system on my sites is added value.
Álvaro
Am I allowed to mark something as "Not like"???!?!??!?!
I am Slashdot. Are you Slashdot as well?
Google can't index a person's wall.
For hilarity, imagine how utterly confusing this sentence is for someone from the year 1998.
There is a radio button option right next to the comment field that lets you choose if the comment post on your facebook wall. So if you chose that I assume you're facebook friends wouldn't all be poking everything you comment on the internet about.
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Why?
I mean Google has been around for 13 years, with no signs of being replaced by a "new thing" anytime soon.
Facebook is a different beast. It's the first time I see a "global scale" social network. No one gave a fuck about MySpace outside the US, but facebook is all over the place.
Just expressing my nerdrage towards this topic in a "constructive" manner.
So is it possible to hack this code to allow us to show a FB page on our own site in an iframe? That's something FB prohibits now.
"I believe in Karma. That means I can do bad things to people all day long and I assume they deserve it." : Dogbert
Me neither. Just get a fake facebook account.
My local newspaper (www.edmontonsun.com) had replaced their commenting system with an exclusive Facebook system. It has stayed regardless of complaints by the public and that comments have decreased tenfold. It has ostensibly been touted as a "security" feature, though the hard core trolls quickly made fake FB accounts. I wonder what kind of backroom deal was tempting enough to get this large company to ruin their public image that badly?
TechCrunch is one site that already uses this.
So, Facebook is trying to take over the market for snap-in comment systems from Disqus and IntenseDebate. I think I would prefer a healthy competition between these two and other startups, rather than Facebook domination.
...more facebook. I'll continue to post my comments to /dev/null thanks.
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Except you end up with all your comments on different sites being linked together under your one fake facebook account. This allows a profile of you to be created, even if they don't have a real name to link it to. All it takes is for you inadvertently put snippets of personal information in one or two comments over the various sites over a number of years for privacy to be eroded.
Of course you could create multiple fake facebook accounts for each site you wish to comment on, but then you need to manage it.
"They" get to record and "we" don't? - Police cars and video and audio when they make stops. This guy made a recording in addition to the one the cop was making and "He" got into trouble? WTF? Wasn't New Hampsire's motto "Live free or Die" - - Guess the are going for the second choice.
I'm still blown away since last night, when I found a site that creates a fake identity with
* I heard somewhere these CC# generators pass validation algorithms on forms, and are helping flag your scammer's billing company to the authorities by failing to be real when a the money transfer is charged. In reality, they'll probably just chase you for using fake data, which is illegal in most EULAs and probably all USA legislation
I don't want my opinion on the web among a variety of topics to be linked back to me.
I've already made enough mistakes using my real name at times I shouldn't have.
truthout.org. now if any site should know better than to trust facebook......
While using Facebook Comments will undoubtedly cut down on trolls and spammers, it will also discourage people from sharing information that might be useful to a site's readership because they don't want such info traced back to them. Sure they could make a dummy Facebook account, but then it wouldn't have any friends and the benefit to the publisher would be nil. Disqus at least offers some anonymity options.
Newspapers trying to control comments. Right here in Sillycon Valley, the Murky News was one of the first to jump into the Facebook cesspool. Last year they ditched Topix for Disqus because people could just make up names for each post. Yes it did get a bit raucous at times in the commenting section, and astroturfers took advantage to try to make certain opinions seem to have more massive support. But, there was a dialogue going on and it was drawing people to the site.
Disqus was supposed to give the paper more control, but folks who wanted to post anonymously, could still easily make a fake name account with discus, by just entering a fake name. They did not require email or any other identifying information.
I think the managers of the Media News Group (owners of the Murky News and many other newspapers) liked the Facebook deal because 1) It's free; &2) It is intimidating for anyone who may wish to tell the truth but who could be put in danger of losing a job or losing a friend for speaking out. Also it establishes an order of credentialing whither whoever posts is worthy of expressing an opinion or observation.
From 1722:
"And since it is observed, that the Generality of People, now a days, are unwilling either to commend or dispraise what they read, until they are in some measure informed who or what the Author of it is, whether he be poor or rich, old or young, a Schollar or a Leather Apron Man, &c. and give their Opinion of the Performance, according to the Knowledge which they have of the Author’s Circumstances, it may not be amiss to begin with a short Account of my past Life and present Condition, that the Reader may not be at a Loss to judge whether or no my Lucubrations are worth his reading." Silence Dogood (http://www.franklinpapers.org/franklin/framedVolumes.jsp)
Therefore I am proud to be AC.
Is that like "unveiled," or is it a new geekspeak word that I've not been made privy to?
By the taping of my glasses, something geeky this way passes
Because I can always disable Google's JS and not lose anything even remotely valuable. If I want to read comments on sites that have joined this nonsense, I have to load FB's comment-JS and leave a trace.
Convore Just saw this on the twit network a couple of days ago, from the same people that brought us Pownce.com. They seem to fall somewhere between irc, twitter, Facebook, and a forum. So far, I like it, and am looking at it as a replacement for comments. Just gotta figure out what features I want. P.S. Being able to sign in using Facebook, twitter, Google, and openID is a good thing. These companies transfer data securely, and you don't have to enter in your info time and again. This is a security risk unless you have some sort of external authentication. I realize that we are all supposed to be smart enough not to get keyloggers on our systems, but all of us deal with and support those that are not. Not dealing with the backlash of someone's identity being stolen is a good thing. That being said, I really hate Facebook.
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Better than trying to create a login for every random site that decides you need to log in just to leave a comment.
And no, I hardly ever actually create a random account just to comment on. But you know what, I might actually just leave a comment if I'm already logged into facebook and it's easy.
Google Ads are everywhere and people don’t blame it for losing their privacy. Everyone is using Gmail and NOBODY is whining about lost privacy. Why should I care about Fb commenting system? Why Google is good, Facebook is bad?
Actually, according to a study done last month, an estimated 57% of internet users log into Facebook at least once a month. Sorry.
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> no admin way to delete comments
Seriously?
I've hated this "feature" for a while now. Even if I don't use it, they'd theoretically know what site I'd been to when I load the images from their server, right? If nothing else, it's the most obnoxious script that doesn't install malware since it makes my browser contact Facebook 4 times a second - then I stop it - then it starts again, so I have to disable Javascript to have a moment's peace and privacy. Not that the privacy really counts at that point; it's gone.
||facebook.com/plugins/*
||connect.facebook.net^
Works well enough
If nobody hurries up, fixes the Internet real soon, and gets rid of all this Facebook rot that's spreading everywhere like some kind of cyber-woodworm, I am going to cancel the contract with my ISP, throw all my computers into an active volcano and go and live in a shack on a mountainside with some goats. And a bag with a hole in the bottom, full of marbles. And nobody will be getting any short, timely status updates about it all.
I mean, it's almost getting to the point where you need a Facebook account to pay for a local bus fare. Everywhere the word Facebook. FACEBOOK, FACEBOOK, FACEBOOK. On billboards. On TV. In bars and restaurants. On flyers and leaflets. You can contact us on FACEBOOK. Join our FACEBOOK group. Share your photos with us on Facebook. Everyone's on Facebook! If you're not on Facebook, you must be a digital dunce, in need of some help. Here, have a free "how to use Facebook" class, led by someone who knows that Bill Gates invented computers, that Steve Jobs made them perfect and that ports 80 and 443 served through a quadruple NAT is the internets, good as they ever were.