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Facebook Bans AdSense In Apps
An anonymous reader writes "Three days ago Facebook finalized their list of accepted ad networks for use within Facebook Apps; AdSense being an (unsurprising?) omission from the list, stating that any missing ad network had yet to agree to the Facebook TOS. Facebook developers were quick to point out the only losers in this cold-war between Facebook and Google are the developers themselves. Other devs go on to clarify that the reputations of some of the accepted networks is shady at best, leaving developers with sub-par options to monetize their work on the Facebook platform."
So who really cares about this "debate"? Nobody who matters.
Meh, I block all ads equally.
on second thought, that sounds gay.
If they tick off advertisers, then who are they going to sell your information to?
Funny may not give karma, but +5 Informative never made anyone snort coffee out their nose.
They obviously did something right if there is a facebook icon on every story and /. begs you to be their facebook friend.
Do you even lift?
These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.
I love how Facebook can't do anything right as far as Slashdot is concerned. If they block ad networks, their evil...if they don't their also evil. Come on people!
Yes there is a definite pro-Facebook bias around here. Otherwise there'd never be so many Facebook stories.
Bear in mind that the very worst thing you can do to a company like Facebook is to ignore them.
To see their name in news headlines on so many sites tells them that they are important, that people are waiting with bated breath to see what they will do next, that people think it's worth talking about. It's what helps keep their brand in mind and ultimately helps to drive traffic to their site.
If Google is willing to partner with Facebook for advertising and Facebook thinks having a pissing contest is more important, then to any would-be Facebook developers: doesn't that tell you what their priorities are? Their priorities certainly don't include you. If you have skill and talent and a good work ethic, why not go someplace where your efforts are better appreciated?
It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. - Einstein
If they tick off advertisers, then who are they going to sell your information to?
I imagine advertisers would overlook a ton of BS in order to gain access to (what they'd perceive as) such a treasure trove of personal information. The prize is too tempting to walk away from that easily.
Developers are a different story. If Facebook insists on alienating them, effectively using them as pawns in their pissing contest with Google, they might eventually get tired of that. Most people don't like being jerked around, especially for no good reason. If they finally go elsewhere, Facebook will miss them when they're gone.
It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. - Einstein
The TOS "advertising providers" have to comply with are very very strict. I doubt Google will agree to things like these:
And Facebook would be able to "audit" Google for anything covered in the agreement:
And if anything goes wrong, Facebook already had decided the verdict of the trial:
Shady ad companies for products on a shady portal.
If they finally go elsewhere, Facebook will miss them when they're gone.
Very true. I believe 100% that the biggest reason that Facebook has grown to the size that it is today is because of the (mostly shitty) applications.
People no longer play Farmville because it's on Facebook-- they go to Facebook TO play Farmville.
It makes me sad to say that.
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And on about any other website. It makes me wonder why some people don't have everything related to FaceBook adblocked yet.
Of course, AdSense is already blocked by everyone I know, so both culprits of this article would be happily together.
The creatures outside looked from Alt-Right to Antifa; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
I love how you mischaracterize the story just so you can go on a rant against "slashdot." They didn't block ads. There are ads all over the fucking place.
And it's "they're," you knucklehead.
I love lamp!
Who would have known, there are several different people posting on /.
A couple of months back I spent a few weeks looking at developing a Facebook App. By the time I was done coding a simple one, I'd basically come to the conclusion that there were a lot better things to do with my time. Here's why:
* The APIs and SDKs. There's a lot of them. And not in the lots-to-love sense. In the dissociative identity disorder sense. Some of them work as specified. Some of them don't.
* The documentation. It sucks. It sucks extra because of the changes to the APIs -- a lot of times, you don't know if any given howto, forum post, internet article, and (in some cases) actual official documentation refers to the version of the API or SDK you're using. It sucks *particularly* hard because some complete moron at Facebook made the decision to blow away a community-built wiki site and replace it with a Bing search of the half-hearted official docs. And a lot of the links still out there still point to it.
* The policy/UI changes. Profile boxes (rather successful interaction hooks) were phased out in favor of tabs, which were going to be The New And Better Way. Now tabs are going away -- why? Oh, because it turned out that people didn't actually use them and Facebook now has another idea of what to do.
And this is from a company that's certainly sitting on the actual resources to do a hell of a lot better than this.
Watching all this, I developed two theories about Facebook:
1) It's possible that its success is more or less an accident of history -- they put something good enough together at the right time to become the premiere social network, and because of the network effect, it's sticky enough people don't simply defect despite its problems. But as an organization, they're not genuinely smart enough to do much further effectively... including providing a good platform for third-party devs.
2) Facebook doesn't really actually care about providing an effective and reliable platform for developers. They don't have to. There's enough incentive for would-be devs to try something and see if it works out that they can let the mass of attempts hit the wall and fail, and still reap benefits from those who break through and make things work. In the meanwhile, they can pretty much shift agendas as they see fit, and if that breaks a number of developer eggs, oh well. More will come.
I'm not sure which one is more true. My money is on #2, really, but there's possibly some measure of #1 as well. Either way, though, the upshot is that it's more or less an abusive platform, and the announcement that they're forbidding AdSense doesn't surprise me in the least -- it's totally consistent with both theories.
If you've got an idea that needs to feed from the fabric of the social web in order to succeed, then it's still the place to go. But if you've got another idea that doesn't, it might be better to go with that than to work with these guys.
Tweet, tweet.
As a facebook user, I get mad pussy.
As a facebook developer, I get mad money.
Do the math.
It makes you sad? It makes me welcome the day that an asteroid or GRB wipes humans off the planet. We dont deserve to survive.
As a facebook user, I get mad pussy.
As a facebook developer, I get mad money.
Do the math.
0 + 0 = 0
^^ One of the many reasons why I like the user-friendliness of the /etc/hosts file.
IN SovIEt AdBOok FACeSENse bAns YOU!
I don't use any Facebook apps at all. Ever.
Why?
Because every "click to confirm" dialog contains requests for information tantamount to anally raping my account with no lube and no reach-around.
Maybe, just maybe, if I had more control over the granularity of such requests, I *might* just consider using a Facebook game or something. But the way things are right now, nope, not gonna happen.
And if you're a Facebook app developer that is intent on anally raping Facebook user accounts, die in a fire.
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cower some more, feeb.
slashdot = stagnated
I'll drill a glory hole into the wall for you, so you can suck my anonymous cock.
OOohhhhh yeahhhh this is gonna be a real big load, hope you're ready to swallow! Extra protein for your diet, you faggot.
http://www.amazon.com/FarmVille-Dummies-Angela-Morales/dp/1118016963
That's right, Farmville For Dummies.
You may now cry yourself to sleep.
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As intelligence goes up, happiness often goes down. See, I made a graph. I make a lot of graphs...
hardly, remember how facebook suddenly "realized" that all of the top apps were selling user data that they shouldnt have even access to
they didnt get banned like there TOS says quite clearly, no they got a slap on the wrist
their actions are very childish, and their reasons are very transparent
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iOS has had a way of searching for text in a web page (or pdf) since 4.0. And most of the cool games (plants vs. zombies, etc.) are available for Android.
Nobody likes ads anyhow, I cut cable tv 9 years ago and have pirated ever since due to spam and the massive amounts of ads that pop culture has turned into. I use adblock, peerguardian, updated blocklists and null routes in my router to avoid spam at all costs... several years ago people were as massively anti ads as I am now, but somehow the new 'politically correct' thing to do is to embrace ads for some odd reason and people actually defend ads nowdays... Sad really. There are many alternate ways for developers to monetize their applications... I ran a forum in the 90's on "donation ware" with ability to pay monthly for additional privileges like uploading files / etc, and it was plenty to pay for itself plus extra in pocket to help pay the bills. People need to quit settling for ads and actively block all ads and protest media that spam by using alternate means to aquire said media without ads :)
9+ years and counting and in those 9 years I have never installed antivirus software (never a virus/malware/spyware thanks to massive firewall/peerguardian/adblock and similar in past ), or had to bother with pesky 40 minutes of commercials to watch a 20 minute show. :)
yet people like me have become the "bad guy" when just 5 years ago those that employed spam, ads, commercial networks were the "bad guy"
I love how you mischaracterize the story just so you can go on a rant against "slashdot." They didn't block ads. There are ads all over the fucking place.
And it's "they're," you knucklehead.
Yeah, he's a knucklehead who can't correctly do easy things.
People can bitch and moan about "grammar nazis" all they like. What hard experience will tell you, assuming you fucking listen, is that people who can correctly write a sentence in their own native language are one hell of a lot more likely to have an argument worth entertaining than those who fail basic things that 4th graders are expected to know.
If you have a weakness in this area and basic grammar is difficult for you, the remedy is easy to understand. Man up, grow a pair of balls, get some guts, and admit that you have a weakness. Then confront your weakness and work to improve it and turn it into a strength. Don't do it because some grammar nazi might hassle you. Do it because you give a shit about yourself and want to improve.
If you can't handle that, you can always bitch about those terrible grammar nazis. That sure is easier than admitting you don't have what it takes to work on your weaknesses, isn't it?
He also give amazing rim jobs.
Its boring, irrelevant and any of you twits actually fueling facebook with your private content are just tools. Lets see, at 3 cents an email address, how many have you all just given to facebook? Facebook is roughly equivalent to masturbation in public.
I thought _facebook_ was for dummies.
As intelligence goes up, happiness often goes down. See, I made a graph. I make a lot of graphs...
God damn, as a tendency this one is the straight truth.
Intelligence makes happiness more difficult to achieve. It also makes it more meaningful and more deeply appreciated once attained. It is solid and meaningful then, not fleeting and transient like the happiness (i.e. indulgence) of too many.
It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. - Einstein
I doubt that facebook will die, normally companies that get this big hang around indefinitely, even if they eventually turn into yahoo or aol.
There is a killer app waiting to kill facebook, namely an open source private social networking application that takes photo & video sharing to the logical extreme of friend2friend file sharing. Ideally, you'd want all communications traffic-analysis-resistant and obviously encrypted. An approach might be making FreeNet user friendly and adding a FreeNet Social Networking app, but FreeNet seems slow as piss and incapable of handling even basic IM functionality.
I doubt you'll knock out facebook without some major new feature though, like general purpose friend2friend file sharing. And you'll need solid plausible deniability before that one becomes viable.
Alternatively, all the pitiful "also ran" social networks like Tuenti, Hi5, Orkut, etc. could gang up on facebook by adopting some common shared data model. I'd expect they'll try this eventually, but like 5+ years after facebook has killed them all, and only once google starts buying them.
Another alternative might be for various countries to start legislating around social networks, requiring age verification, requiring that photos expire after 6 months, barring the data from being mirrored outside the country, barring civil servants from using foreign based social networks, etc.
The Christian religion has been and still is the principal enemy of moral progress in the world. -- Bertrand Russell
ur mum's face faggot.
why do you cower? what are you afraid of?
you're completely pathetic.
ur mum's face faggot.
why do you cower? what are you afraid of?
you're completely pathetic.
ur mum's face faggot.
why do you cower? what are you afraid of?
you're completely pathetic.
yes. now if only i could create dozens of Slashdot accounts. then i would be a brave man like yourself. i will call them JohnSmith101 through JohnSmith555. Of course you have no way of knowing if my name really is John Smith but then I can say I am so brave for using my real name. Genius. then and only then would i be just like you. wait why the fuck would i want to do that? no, i am happy being me. it is far better than being a fucking useless cunt like you.
have you ever thought of seeing a therapist?
Hopefully practical is more important and better marketing to sales people.
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If Google is willing to partner with Facebook for advertising and Facebook thinks having a pissing contest is more important, then to any would-be Facebook developers: doesn't that tell you what their priorities are? Their priorities certainly don't include you. If you have skill and talent and a good work ethic, why not go someplace where your efforts are better appreciated?
Because like most businesses or entrepreneurs, you'd rather go where the customers are.
That doesn't even take into account:
mad = insane
I would say:
-1 + -1 = sounds good amongst people you don't really know, sound bad amongst those who are worth knowing
loose: not fitting closely or tightly != lose: to suffer the deprivation of
is this true?
It's hard to take a side on this issue. If you have any personal experience with Google Adsense (like me) and it's draconian service agreement (one that rivals Micorsoft's EULA), I can see why Facebook might have excluded it, but don't agree with Facebook dictating terms on it's developers. Unfortunately, Google and Facebook are just big business. Both Google's and Facebook's primary motivations are profit. Nothing more, nothing less. If you "believe" companies like Google, Facebook, Microsoft or Apple are out for your best interest, then your seriously deluded. Choosing between Google or Facebook in this situation is like choosing between getting stabbed or getting shot. Either way, you lose.
Oh shit. Don't ever mention that file...
For a site about things like basic rights, Slashdot users sure do like to censor "dissent".
Anyway, if I suggest Farmville is just SimCity 2010... am I going to be able to make it out of here before the hord descends?
For full disclosure, got neither a facebook account of played or even seen Farmville runnings. IRC and Trade Wars is where it is at. Now get of my lawn.
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
It's a chatterbot dude. He has prescripted responses for certain keywords. Also adds something for anonymous posts.
"I use adblock, peerguardian, updated blocklists and null routes in my router to avoid spam at all costs... several years ago people were as massively anti ads as I am now, but somehow the new 'politically correct' thing to do is to embrace ads for some odd reason and people actually defend ads nowdays" - by Cito (1725214) on Saturday March 05, @09:17PM (#35393698) Homepage
The ONLY people that "defend ads" are the multiple account using fools that create or profit by the ads... proof? Ok, from a respected someone in the Open SORES world:
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SOURCE -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1738364&cid=33089192
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Back to my subject-line though now:
20++ ADVANTAGES OF HOSTS FILES OVER DNS SERVERS &/or ADBLOCK ALONE for added layered security:
1.) HOSTS files are useable for all these purposes because they are present on all Operating Systems that have a BSD based IP stack (even ANDROID) and do adblocking for ANY webbrowser, email program, etc. (any webbound program).
2.) ADBLOCK CAN BE DETECTED FOR: See here on that note -> http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2010/03/why-ad-blocking-is-devastating-to-the-sites-you-love.ars
HOSTS files are NOT BLOCKABLE by websites, as was tried on users by ARSTECHNICA (and it worked, proving HOSTS files are a better solution for this because they cannot be blocked & detected for, in that manner), to that websites' users' dismay:
PERTINENT QUOTE/EXCERPT FROM ARSTECHNICA THEMSELVES:
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An experiment gone wrong - By Ken Fisher | Last updated March 6, 2010 11:11 AM
http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2010/03/why-ad-blocking-is-devastating-to-the-sites-you-love.ars
"Starting late Friday afternoon we conducted a 12 hour experiment to see if it would be possible to simply make content disappear for visitors who were using a very popular ad blocking tool. Technologically, it was a success in that it worked. Ad blockers, and only ad blockers, couldn't see our content."
and
"Our experiment is over, and we're glad we did it because it led to us learning that we needed to communicate our point of view every once in a while. Sure, some people told us we deserved to die in a fire. But that's the Internet!"
Thus, as you can see? Well - THAT all "went over like a lead balloon" with their users in other words, because Arstechnica was forced to change it back to the old way where ADBLOCK still could work to do its job (REDDIT however, has not, for example). However/Again - this is proof that HOSTS files can still do the job, blocking potentially malscripted ads (or ads in general because they slow you down) vs. adblockers like ADBLOCK!
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3.) Adblock doesn't protect email programs external to FF, Hosts files do. THIS IS GOOD VS. SPAM MAIL or MAILS THAT BEAR MALICIOUS SCRIPT, or, THAT POINT TO MALICIOUS SCRIPT VIA URLS etc.
4.) Adblock won't get you to your favorite sites if a DNS server goes down or is DNS-poisoned, hosts will (this leads to points 4-7 next below).
5.) Adblock doesn't allow you to hardcode in your favorite websites into it so you don't make DNS server calls and so you can avoid tracking by DNS request logs, hosts do (DNS servers are also being abused by the Chinese lately and by the Kaminsky flaw -
What?
Ulitmately, we don't.
If you mod me down the terrorists will have won
Your math is incorrect, but I will give partial credit because mad money and mad pussy do cancel each other out to equal zero.
If you mod me down the terrorists will have won
Except that's potentially among the worst approaches for users. Does this open protocol just hand over all your data to any partner that asks? Ideally no, but exactly what data becomes invisible matters. I'd hope that at least the friend graph should become only locally visible, although still individual social networking sites are big enough for that graph to be concerning.
I'm afraid the best solution would be a peer2peer system designed to prevent even traffic analysis :
- Users are identified by a SHA-512 hash of their screen name attached to an unencrypted public and an encrypted private RSA-4096 key, as well as an encrypted private user data sheet and private directory. All this information gets stored 'in the cloud' allowing users to login anywhere.
- Any information the users wants easily searchable, like real name, email, phone, etc. may float around the cloud incased in SHA-512 hashes that point to their screen name's SHA-512 hash. Any searches that fail the easy mode get shuffled into some queue for users machines to check against their data sheet whenever they come back online, maybe this search gets restricted to two or three friends hops though.
- All files are stored "in the cloud" in "directories" encrypted using AES-256. And the directory has an associated table containing copies of this AES-256 key encrypted to various participant's public key pairs.
- All directories posses two unencrypted public and encrypted private RSA-1024 key pairs. Anyone who decrypts the directory will gain access to the first of these encrypted private keys with which they can authenticate changes to the directory in the cloud. In particular, such users may add addendums that either make comments on the directory's contents or additions to the table of users permitted to access the directory. And the second private key pair gets used to authenticate changes and deletions with the cloud.
- All users store a selection of home directories in the cloud that are encrypted to various different selections of friends to provide some indexes of file directories, enable their friends to find their other friends, etc. There are no records of directory ownership or friendships stored unencrypted in the cloud.
The Christian religion has been and still is the principal enemy of moral progress in the world. -- Bertrand Russell
The title tells the truth here.
Apple takes existing technology and polish the implementation until it fits the average user perfectly. You'll never see them deliver well on any technology that hasn't been well rehearsed elsewhere first.
In fact, their only even inkling towards new technology has been backing the LLVM project, but that's partially meant to make up for shortcomings in their BSD kernel, i.e. protecting them from needing to switch kernels to Linux or something.
Apple could obviously deliver a solid social networking application. It's an old established technology that'll benefit from polishing. Yet, I'm doubtful they'd deliver any new killer features. And their existing strong market positions won't help them much.
Apple could never handle search, way too mathematically intensive, subtle processing scalability issues, etc. And again their existing market positions are useless and they'd simply never deliver anything better than Google.
The Christian religion has been and still is the principal enemy of moral progress in the world. -- Bertrand Russell
Some of those "shady ad networks" gets blocked by chrome and probably some security plugins/extensions for other browsers because they are used to serve malware, so i bet facebook or fb app devels will cry foul when google blocks them because of those ads, not for being facebook.
I'd rather see Facebook's embedded code banned from websites - the one that lets you comment on any site because you're already signed in with your FB account, even though you never did and never would - but it's too late, because you've already requested all the user icons, so FB knows where you're browsing. ...then after the page loads in Opera, it contacts Facebook once every 0.25 seconds until you disable Javascript... I loathe it.
Next time you want to have an argument with a chatbot, just fire up emacs and launch the embedded copy of eliza - it wastes less bandwidth than arguing with MichaelKristopell on Slashdot.
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I'm a grammar Nazi in my head, but I keep it to myself. It's called picking your battles or whatever. People who go around nitpicking on on incorrect "there they're their" are very irritating. We all know what the person meant so it's not a big deal. Chill pill
I am just a troll trolling another troll.
Anything can be found funny, from a certain point of view.
See subject line above.
Really astounding........! facebook applications
I think Google should remove facebook from their search!! Lets see who has the power!!
tl;dr as off topic troll.
How does Facebook sell its data? As a snapshot? or a feed?
Are there are repeat buyers?
Does it work out more like the stories of the spam business, where only the software developers make money selling kits to wannabe spam kings, and there are no repeat sales?
Why doesn't Facebook just ask for CC numbers and CV2? Or is the competition in that market too stiff?
These must be rhetorical questions, since I don't really care about any answers.
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Oh, so THAT's what an illiterate douchebag says:
"...Wall of text goes here, bashing corporations... u mad, bro?" - by Ash-Fox THE ILLITERATE DOUCHEBAG TROLL (726320) on Monday March 07, @03:07AM (#35403488) Homepage
It's all there in black & white quoted, lol!