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Is Apple Turning Into the Next "Evil Empire"?

jira writes "'You may think you own your iPad or iPhone but in reality an invisible string links it back to Apple HQ' writes John Naughton. He adds: 'Umberto Eco once wrote a memorable essay arguing that the Apple Mac was a Catholic device, while the IBM PC was a Protestant one. His reasoning was that, like the Roman church, Apple offered a guaranteed route to salvation – the Apple Way – provided one stuck to it. PC users, on the other hand, had to take personal responsibility for working out their own routes to heaven.'"

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  1. Yes and no by aliquis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I would had wanted to argue "what is there to discuss?", but nevermind.

    Is apple _turning_ into the next evil empire?

    No, they already are.

    Now what?

    1. Re:Yes and no by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Funny

      I would had wanted to argue "what is there to discuss?", but nevermind.
      Is apple _turning_ into the next evil empire?
      No, they already are.
      Now what?

      We need a totally buff chick to throw a giant hammer into the video screen during Jobs's speech at an apple brainwash^d^d^d^d^d^d^d^d^d ... product announcement.

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    2. Re:Yes and no by Yetihehe · · Score: 4, Informative
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    3. Re:Yes and no by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Remember back in the 90s when Microsoft was evil because they locked people in to their products? Proprietary document formats, incompatible HTML extensions, secret APIs that only they could use? Ring any bells?

      Apple are trying to go one further by not even allowing competing products on their platforms. Opera had to fight to get on to iOS devices, Google Talk was initially rejected... MS products were terrible but because Apple products do mostly work reasonably well (in a limited way) they somehow get away with it.

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    4. Re:Yes and no by metamatic · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It depends on what you mean by evil. I've been a Mac user since what feels like forever and I can definitly see that something have changed over the passed few years starting about the same time Apple started to become really popular.

      I blame Steve Jobs. He always wanted the Mac to be a closed proprietary appliance, but the Mac wasn't his project at the start, and he was kicked out of Apple before his vision could dominate.

      I've been a Mac user for 20+ years, but I absolutely refuse to give my financial support to iOS. It is the absolute antithesis of everything the Mac stands for. Closed, proprietary, non-interoperable, with a cryptic and non-discoverable UI. I want to see it die in a fire.

      I still fear that Apple will start to boil the OS X frog. They have code signing and an app store in place. They have a warning dialog if you try to run software downloaded from anywhere else. They're clearly repositioning OS X server versus the regular version in Lion. My fear is that the regular version of Lion (or perhaps the version after it) will have lock-in, and you'll have to buy a $500 pro version with the server stuff in order to get an open Mac. If that happens, I'll shed a tear and jump ship to Linux.

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  2. It's like being at school by Mike+Mentalist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Can we drop this absurd use of the word 'evil' please?

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    1. Re:It's like being at school by drinkypoo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      1.
      morally wrong or bad; immoral; wicked: evil deeds; an evil life.
      2.
      harmful; injurious: evil laws.
      3.
      characterized or accompanied by misfortune or suffering; unfortunate; disastrous: to be fallen on evil days.
      4.
      due to actual or imputed bad conduct or character: an evil reputation.
      5.
      marked by anger, irritability, irascibility, etc.: He is known for his evil disposition.

      Apple conforms to #2 and #4. Steve Jobs conforms to #5.

      Apple is Evil as per the dictionary. Thank you, please drive through.

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  3. An interesting question. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The fact that this question is being asked is, in my opinion, a sign of the times. I never thought I'd see the day when Apple is considered an "evil empire", and Microsoft is kind of the underdog/good-guy. I think, however, that Apple is making the same mistakes now they made 30 years ago. They decided to tie their hardware and software together, forcing the end user to buy their hardware - at a drastically increased initial investment cost - in order to get their software. Microsoft came along and blew that concept out of the water, and now Apple is doing the same thing again with mobile devices and iOS. Then we have Google creating an open source operating system that's totally "untethered" from hardware (I've even seen Android running on iPhones).

    I think that we're going to see a repeat of the 90's here somewhat shortly with respect to mobile devices (aka "the next frontier"). Apple will insist on selling iPads and iPhones at $500 - $800 each, and Google will allow their OS to be placed on any device the consumer wants, decoupling the OS and hardware and ultimately "owning" the mobile marketspace, just like Microsoft beat Apple in terms of marketshare and continues to do so to this day.

    1. Re:An interesting question. by node+3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The fact that this question is being asked is, in my opinion, a sign of the times. I never thought I'd see the day when Apple is considered an "evil empire", and Microsoft is kind of the underdog/good-guy.

      People have been saying this for over twenty years now. Nothing new here. What would be interesting is if common perception is that this is a valid question, and it's most definitely not.

      forcing the end user to buy their hardware

      No one has ever been forced to buy Apple hardware. In fact, most people don't buy their computers.

      I think that we're going to see a repeat of the 90's here somewhat shortly with respect to mobile devices (aka "the next frontier"). Apple will insist on selling iPads and iPhones at $500 - $800 each, and Google will allow their OS to be placed on any device the consumer wants, decoupling the OS and hardware and ultimately "owning" the mobile marketspace, just like Microsoft beat Apple in terms of marketshare and continues to do so to this day.

      Three problems...

      1. Market share of the OS is a simple, but incomplete metric. Apple makes more money than any other PC maker, and is just shy of greater profits and revenue than MS. So claiming MS has "won" is not so cut and dry.
      2. You are comparing iPhones to Android. You should be comparing iPhones (and other iOS devices) to Android phones and other Android devices. That an iPhone costs $199 and $299, but the Android OS is free is meaningless. iOS is free on iPhones too.
      3. iOS has outsold Android. So your conclusion has yet to come to pass. But even if it ever does, you end up with the first point, how has that benefitted Google greater than iOS has benefitted Apple? Even if Android outsells iOS 5 to 1 (and it most certainly does not, and won't any time soon), how is that an example of Google beating Apple? Apple will still make far more from iOS than Google will be making from Android.

      And, more on topic, what does this have to do with Apple being "evil"?

    2. Re:An interesting question. by Gumbercules!! · · Score: 4, Interesting

      3. iOS has outsold Android. So your conclusion has yet to come to pass. But even if it ever does, you end up with the first point, how has that benefitted Google greater than iOS has benefitted Apple? Even if Android outsells iOS 5 to 1 (and it most certainly does not, and won't any time soon), how is that an example of Google beating Apple? Apple will still make far more from iOS than Google will be making from Android.

      How do you come by that? Android has a much larger market share than iOS, already: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Smartphone_share_current.png - they're now the largest mobile OS out there. In a few years, it's relatively safe to assume that gap will be even larger, as Symbian tends towards 0.

      One must assume Google gets more than a buck or two for each phone you buy with "with Google" written on the back, like mine does. Presumably, that adds up. Given Android's open nature, it has more companies developing for it, which means Google gets benefits without even trying (as hard) as iOS. So I would say Google is already doing damn nicely out of Android and will continue to do so. In business speak, that's a "win". It's not even too far removed from getting "something for nothing".

      Back in 97, when MS bought into Apple, Apple had around 7% of the PC market. In 2010, Apple had about 8% of the PC market - so in the last almost 15 years, they have basically made no inroads at all. Dell, on the other hand, have 15% market share. In fact, the top 5 PC sellers are HP, Dell, Acer, Lennova and Toshiba. All of them doing basically zero research into the OS. This is basically true for mobile phones too, with Nokia, Samsung, LG, Rim and Sony taking the top 5 seller by manufacturer positions, all of them now moving to Android (even RIM is now working to allow Android apps to work on Blackberrys).

      So I'd say that supports the parent argument pretty well - once again Apple's coupling of OS to hardware will guarantee that the market will move on past them, leaving them an important but none the less niche player, in regards to overall usage statistics. Once again, the market they can largely be credited with creating, will leave them behind. Google will be their new Microsoft. Whatever way you turn it, that's got to hurt at least a little.

  4. They already were? by celeb8 · · Score: 5, Informative

    They have been for a long time, along with many others who would love to get to their position in the market. Apple chases profit like all other companies, they just oft have a better UI. The first thing Jobs did when he came back to Apple was axe all the Mac-clones that were being built. The second thing they did was try their best to put all non-Apple Macintosh repair shops out of business, and then open the Apple Stores once they'd done so. They haven't changed business models, they just now have a dominant market position to leverage. Frankly I think they learned a lot of their current tactics from MS, but they've never had everybody's best interests at heart, any more than MS or anyone else did.

  5. What by Meneth · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What do you mean, "turning"? They were never good to begin with. They perhaps turned more evil in 2007 with the release of the iPhone.

    1. Re:What by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, back in the day Apple was a very NICE company. Their products even came with circuit diagrams and hacking instructions. It was later on that they took on this whole BS "You don't own anything you buy" attitude.

    2. Re:What by node+3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, in the year they released the phone that revolutionized the mobile market that has drawn to date over 100 million willing customers, they became more evil than ever because of this...

      This idiotic bullshit of calling Apple (or any other company*) "evil" is one of the things that makes Slashdot seem childish and insignificant. Geeks are the ultimate drama queens.

      * There are very few companies one could reasonably argue as being evil, or at least being major proponents of evilness. Monsanto and Halliburton come to mind. But calling Apple "evil" is absurd. Do you even know what the word "evil" means?

  6. Re:Present continuous tense is unnecessary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The 'flamebait' was when Apple decided that '1984' was an instruction manual.

  7. I guess nothing interesting is going on in tech... by noobermin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...so shit gets selected for the front page. Sigh...

  8. monopolies by Weezul · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've never been too afraid that Apple would hold onto any dominant market position indefinitely because Apple's one size fits all philosophy simply cannot make everyone happy. Apple success has shown however that consumer electronics supports a one size fits all philosophy infinitely better than the business market where Microsoft trounced them.

    Apple has kept their overpriced ipods on top largely by providing consumers with the most physically attractive product. And physical attractiveness has also played a role in adoption of their laptop line as well, especially the Air. Yet, I doubt the iPhone will carry the day on looks.

    All the phone manufactures are far more habituated to producing a beautiful product that either laptop or mp3 player makers. Android lets them focus much more so on the looks problem. And people don't want to all look exactly alike.

    Apple isn't likely to dominate any markets that actually matter. Yes, tablets remains an open question. Yet, we're seeing iOS's retarded design limits here. Maemo's widgets and integration made it a better tablet operating system than iOS. And that made Maemo ultimately a better phone operating system too. Apple may've needed to approach the problem from the other direction to escape the desktop metaphor, but ultimately iOS is inferior to Android with it's widgets.

    We should ideally just pass a law that compiled code isn't protected under copyright law unless the source code is available to anyone who purchases the product of course, i.e. mandate open source licenses. Good luck! lol

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    1. Re:monopolies by Theaetetus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Really? Apple iPod touch 8 GB (4th Gen) : $204.99, Refurbished: $178.99 Sansa Fuze+ 8 GB MP3 Player (Black) : $69.00 SanDisk Sansa Clip+ 8 GB : $49.99 Sandisk Sansa Fuze 8GB : $97.68

      Odd comparison there, comparing a wifi-capable, full-touch screen iPod capable of running all the iOS apps, to a few models of audio-only, non-touch screen players. Why not compare to the iPod Nano 8GB at $149? Non-expandable, but half the size of any of those, which may be more important for some consumers.

      The iPod line outprices nearly every other manufacturer of mp3 players, includes the cheapest headphones, has poor sound and is not expandable. The only thing it has going for it is chic-factor, name-recognition and the app store. Perhaps that has weight with some, for myself, I want my music player to have a long battery life, and play music well.

      The specific one you're citing has a multi-touch screen and the ability to run hundreds of thousands of applications, which you conveniently left of your "only thing it has going for it." Perhaps you're making a false comparison for the purpose of trying to bolster your losing argument?

  9. Uhm. Look again. by Chas · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Google comes from an era where choice is the norm. While not completely open, they make fairly heroic nods in the direction of enabling user choice.

    Microsoft's record of enabling user choice is significantly poorer, though there have been exceptions.

    Apple never left the "bad old days" of the late 70's and early 80's where vendor lock-in was the norm.

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  10. Re:Present continuous tense is unnecessary by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I read TFA and have to agree that it rates pretty dang high on my flamebait o' meter. I mean if forced to choose between one or the other Google is scarier by far because even without having anything to do with them Google can get tons of data on me whereas if I don't like Apple (and for the record the only Apple device I own is a Blue&Silver G3 Tower giveaway I got to play with PPC) I can simply not buy from them, end of story.

    This is why I never understood those "ZOMG Apple! ZOMG M$!" types, as the answer is simple if you don't like them don't buy their products its JUST that easy. Hell never before have we had so many choices and if I want a Pad style device (which I don't) then I have tons of choices, same as there are plenty of little shops like System76 that'll be happy to sell me a laptop that has never had a Windows Sticker or WinKey.

    So to me this smells like nothing but an article to piss people off and stir up page views, like Nichols on the Linux Troll side or Thurott the WinTroll. in all three cases the point is to stir as much shit per paragraph as possible to crank up the views. The only way to win against this kind of trolling is to quote Wargames: "Not to play".

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  11. Re:Apple is a consumer products enterprise, by BlueStraggler · · Score: 4, Informative

    they're not very open source and they fundamentally don't care.

    You mean like this, or are you talking about something else?

    If they did care they would clutter their designs with backwards compatibility hacks. They don't.

    You mean like Classic environment in OS X or Rosetta on Intel macs, or are you talking about something else?

    If they did care they would keep, perhaps slavishly, to existing standards, They don't.

    Existing standards like, say UNIX, POSIX, CSS3, AAC, h.264, or are you talking about something else?

    Why are they even discussed on /.?

    I always figured it was because they are the world's biggest vendor of standards-compliant open source UNIX environments, and that stuff is considered pretty important around here. Plus they vertically integrate it with a closed source presentation layer that is the envy of the industry, and a media distribution model that is controlled with an iron fist, which gives us LOTS to talk about.

    ... or are you talking about something else, cuz it's really hard to tell if you are even on the same planet as the rest of us.