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Melbourne College May Give iPad To Every Student

daria42 writes "It looks like Apple's hyped iPad tablet may find a functional use beyond the early technology adopter set. In Australia, a Melbourne University college recently completed a trial where a limited number of students were given an iPad to aid in their studies. The outcome? The college has now recommended every student be given one of the Apple devices, following in the footsteps of the University of Adelaide, which is handing out iPads to every first year science student. Sure beats lugging around the old textbooks!"

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  1. "Giving"? by msobkow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't you mean "Adding to tuition costs"?

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    1. Re:"Giving"? by SecurityGuy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, exactly this. "Giving" means "force to buy", even if they don't need. FTFA, 80% of students recommended this, meaning 20% of those who were given the thing to use don't want it.

    2. Re:"Giving"? by koreaman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Tuition is nominal in Australia, so no, it doesn't. It means most likely that they'll allocate money from something else and/or request more from the government.

    3. Re:"Giving"? by Sancho · · Score: 5, Insightful

      80% attachment is extremely high for services at a college, at least where I'm from. Students here pay for a gym whether or not they use it (about 35% do), they pay for the student center (don't have numbers on this, but I'd guess that most students don't set foot in it more than once or twice a semester). They pay for organizations that they never join and sometimes never gain any benefit from whatsoever. They pay for upkeep on buildings they never enter. They pay for "free printing" that they probably never use to the fullest (and that they'd likely have gotten cheaper going to Kinko's.) They pay for phone service at outrageously marked up prices, for lab computers they never use because they all have laptops, and for parking lots when fully 25% live on campus and another 15% commute by bicycle or walking.

      People pay a lot for things that they didn't want. The same can be said for taxes in any country with any social services to speak of. 80% is great, and frankly a no-brainer except that you have to wonder how many of that 80% just thought it was cool to get an iPad.

    4. Re:"Giving"? by thedarknite · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The university tuition is nominal. The article is talking about Trinity College, which charges over $20,000 for residency and then has additional charges for such things as network access. (At least when I was resident in a nearby college)

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    5. Re:"Giving"? by bhat · · Score: 5, Informative

      Trinity College is a private institution and receives no government funding. But in the case of the trial, the students were indeed given the iPads, but they returned them at the end of the program, and they paid nothing extra in their fees.

      (I may work for Trinity College, but I don't speak for them.)

    6. Re:"Giving"? by LBArrettAnderson · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You are comparing free iPads with free health care?

      Sounds good to me.

    7. Re:"Giving"? by LBArrettAnderson · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Tax breaks for the rich"

      You mean like how the rich pay more in taxes than anyone else? (both in percentage of income and in total amount). "Taking less than before" is NOT the same as giving the rich money. Which, by the way, are the same people who create jobs.

    8. Re:"Giving"? by Cimexus · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes I feel that the meaning of the article is getting 'lost in translation' by many Americans reading it. Americans use the word 'college' to refer to the ~entire university~. They say 'I went to college' to indicate that they went to university. This has resulted in many confusing conversations about tertiary education between Americans and other English speakers in my experience (which is extensive as I'm a dual US-Australian citizen and spend a lot of time in both countries).

      In Australia (and the UK and other Commonwealth countries), a 'college' is a ~residential~ institution, typically situated on campus (but perhaps also elsewhere in the city). That is, where the students go to eat and sleep at the end of the day. Many also offer out of hours tuition services and other extra-curricular stuff. They may be indirectly owned by the university itself, or they may be completely private institutions. But they are not 'the university' (i.e. the entity you pay your tuition to). They are separate entities who you pay for food and lodging.

      American students often live in 'the dorms', which fills the same need as colleges but in reality is quite a different experience. As mentioned, colleges are often private, completely separate institutions from the universities themselves. They have various levels of prestige in their own right (Trinity, mentioned in TFA, is a pretty high end one and doesn't come cheap). They aren't merely a place to sleep but are a big part of your university life and experience.

    9. Re:"Giving"? by bhat · · Score: 4, Informative

      A further complication is that the trial involved Foundation Studies students, who are international students who do a ~10 month bridging program taught by Trinity College before attending university, and who don't actually live at Trinity.

    10. Re:"Giving"? by bhat · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, TFA badly summarises the original report, which was written for an internal audience, and therefore made assumptions about the understanding of Trinity's course structures.
      The trial was for a small group of international students, the Foundation Studies "August Entry 2010" intake. Staff involved in Foundation Studies (and not staff in the rest of the College) will get iPads in 2011. And starting with the "August Entry 2011" intake, all Foundation Studies students (who are international students) will get iPads. There's no government funding involved in any of this.
      There's been no discussion of the mandated use of iPads in the Residential College or Theological School, which are the other two main educational units of Trinity College.

    11. Re:"Giving"? by mewshi_nya · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And, frankly, trickle-down has been proven wrong over and over.

      The rich, if less is taken in the form of taxes, are *not* going to use it to create jobs. They are more than likely going to put it into savings/investments, whereas taking less from a middle-class family means that a higher proportion of the money "saved" will be put back into the immediate economy.

  2. Reasons? by Adambomb · · Score: 3, Insightful

    “iPads are effective, durable, reliable and achieve their educational aims of going further, faster and with more fun,” the college wrote.

    Now there's a line straight from marketing that manages to mean jack shit. Might be this is an Apple subsidized push akin to Microsoft's educational license deals; Get em hooked before they enter the workforce.

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  3. Wow... Yet more Apple bashing. by aussersterne · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "It looks like Apple's hyped iPad tablet may find a functional use beyond the early technology adopter set."

    Is it possible to mention Apple or Apple devices on Slashdot without gratuitous and misguided denigration, even if implied?

    The iPad is a perfectly workable tablet device. In fact, it is the cheapest tablet device in its class (quality level, feature set) and also the first to market, and also the one with the largest number of applications and the largest installed user base.

    It clearly has uses beyond the early technology adopter set given the anecdotal array of adoptions in vertically integrative environments/scenarios.

    In my own case, I use it for teaching. The iPad offers a minimal, lightweight platform on which to track attendance, grades, lesson plans, and so on and to connect them to projection devices for showing media of various kinds, from outlines and presentation slides to YouTube videos that supplement the lecture.

    Come on. This is supposed to be a technology blog. Instead, it's a bunch of why teenagers with strong, if ill-informed, political-affective poses.

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    1. Re:Wow... Yet more Apple bashing. by Chuck+Chunder · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Please explain how an iPad makes a better text book than, say, a Kindle...

      Interactivity? I have heard great things (not specifically about iPads) about the benefits of increased of student-teacher interactivity and feedback using computer devices. Traditionally in a class a teacher asks a question and one person answers. If everyone has a wireless device then everyone can submit an answer and the teacher can get a much better idea of how well the subject matter is understood and what they need to put more work into.

      An iPad might not exactly be open but there is much more room for innovative and useful education techniques to emerge than with a kindle.

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  4. Ah yes... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It sure does beat lugging around those old textbooks. Unless you fancy being able to mark them up, re-sell them, or refer to them in 2020...

    The professors will probably adore the levels of class participation and attention enabled by everyone having a school-approved internet browsing/PMP device...

    My criticism of this scheme isn't iPad specific(though the education sector often does leap on Apple-related tech crazes); but more general:

    We still don't have something that can replace a notepad and a mechanical pencil when it comes to ease and unobtrusiveness of taking notes(keyboards are faster for straight text, and produce better final copy; but are a bit clicky for class and, unless you are a LaTeX god, slower for equations, diagrams, and similar). Somewhat similarly, your basic dead tree actually works pretty well for textbook-style distribution. Durable, can be marked according to personal preference, can be held onto or resold at will, printing them doesn't actually cost all that much.

    Ebooks have some compelling convenience advantages, particularly for light reading(casually pick up a novel over whispernet, etc.) or for technical reference(grep obscure_command_foo...); but they aren't going to do much about the central complaints with textbooks: Absurd prices and constant version churn(in fact, with DRM, they likely make those worse). Unless this "Hooray! Tablets!!!!" scheme is integrated into some way of actually re-making how the course is taught, I predict no savings, major distraction, and people accustomed to scribbling in marginal notes learning exactly why UI elements in capacitive touchscreen systems are as large as they are...

    On the plus side, Melbourne College's Angry Birds team will be a Division 1 powerhouse....

  5. Re:"80% attachment is extremely high" by Joce640k · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's a shiny gadget*, of course they'll say yes. The fact that 20% said "no" really means that more like 90% would have said no if they were paying for it themselves (and of the 10% who say "yes", 90% of them will be getting a big allowance from rich parents).

    {*} Too shiny in fact. Is it really just me who can't see anything but reflected lights on iPod screens?

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  6. Re:LOL, "savings and investment" by denzacar · · Score: 5, Informative

    And what do you think happens when people save money (they don't put it under their mattresses)? It goes in the bank.

    No it doesn't. Not "rich money" anyway (which is the kind that "gets saved" in this case).
    Poor(er) people keep their savings in the bank. Rich "invest" in tax shelters.
    And since "money has no nationality" it often goes outside the economy that you were trying to boost.

    Poor money can't afford to get itself spent on real-estate projects in Dubai.

    How anyone can look at the Reagan era and say "trickle down" didn't work is laughable. 19 straight years of Dow growth (1981-1999), after 20 flat years.

    Quite easily actually...

    The tax cuts of 1981 and 1986 were followed by significant, though not huge, upswings in the economy.

    However, as William Gale of the Brookings Institution has pointed out, "The simple fact is that business and household saving did not rise in the 1980s...." There was increased investment due to "an inflow of foreign capital. But by the mid- 1980s, net investment had receded to its earlier levels."
    Economic growth in the 1980s was real, but it came from the normal upswing of the business cycle, made more forceful by huge deficits that bolstered economy-wide purchasing power (or "aggregate demand"). Moreover, the growth of those years provided a lot of feed for the horses but didn't do much for the sparrows. After-tax corporate profits rose by close to 60% between 1980 and 1989, while average hourly earnings in 1989 were slightly below their 1980 level and 10% below their 1973 peak. (All this is after adjustment for inflation.)

    Throughout the decade, income distribution worsened: In 1980, the top 5% of households were obtaining 3.7 times as much total income as the bottom 20%, but by 1989 this elite group was receiving five times as much as that (much larger) bottom group. So much for any "trickle down" from the tax changes of the 1980s.

    Also, considering that people often conflate it with supply-side economics - it should be noted that SSE also mostly fails to fulfill its promises.
    Cause, when you take this in account, and have an open mind to this, you come to this conclusion.

    In 2003, the Wall Street Journal declared the debate over supply-side economics to have ended "with a whimper" after extensive modeling performed by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) failed to support the most extreme claims of supply-side policies.[2] ...
    This research undermines the claim that tax cuts can completely compensate for the initial loss of revenue due to the cut, but does acknowledge that resulting growth from the tax cut does replace some of the lost revenue, and the CBO has come under fire for using low estimates.

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