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Google Draws Fire From Congress

bonch writes "Democrat Herb Kohl, the Senate's leading antitrust legislator, has vowed an antitrust probe into Google as one of his top priorities. Others in Congress are criticizing the search giant over several flubs, including scanning personal data over neighborhood WiFi, collecting Social Security information from children in a doodling contest, and sidestepping net neutrality rules through a deal with Verizon. They're also concerned over ties with the administration — Eric Schmidt is a technology adviser to President Obama, Andrew McLaughlin serves as Obama's deputy chief technology officer, and Sonal Shah leads the White House Office of Social Innovation. Google spent $5.2 million last year on federal lobbying, but critics say their increased Washington presence has made more enemies than friends." Reader walterbyrd contributes an article that suggests this is all just a fund-raising ploy.

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  1. Google must not have been bribing... contributing by rolfwind · · Score: 3, Insightful

    to Congress campaigns enough lately.

  2. Speaking out of both sides of their mouths? by Immostlyharmless · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What about the Son of Acta that was posted yesterday? Or the patriot act? Or the fact that I know while driving to California tomorrow along 8 I'm going to get stopped and searched at least 2 to 3 times by border patrol in complete violation of my 4th amendment rights? I'm not going to say that all of that data mining isn't a treasure trove of information, I'd just suggest this is all a diversion, that if given the chance all those politicians creating a stink would *love* to get their hands on all of it, and that they have *much* more pressing issues at the moment.

    1. Re:Speaking out of both sides of their mouths? by redemtionboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you think what the US does is substantially different from the rest of the first world, then you're wrong. The difference is we just bitch about it a lot more. If anything we're just catching up. Amazingly we still have preserved the freedom of speech a lot more than places like the UK, Germany, and Australia.

  3. Re:It's certainly time for this already! by rolfwind · · Score: 1, Insightful

    AFAYK - as far as you know.

  4. Great use of our time and resources by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes, when I think of out-of-control industries that are stamping on the rights of ordinary people, colluding to price-gouge us and passing legislation harmful to American interests, I think Google. Not the RIAA or MPAA or union-busting industries or economy-wrecking fraudulent financial groups or small-business-annihilating megamarts or the military-industrial complex or cable and phone companies. Definitely Google. Please oh please stop them before they voluntarily collect our publicly available SSNs and information we blast out over wireless on clear unencrypted channels.

  5. Re:It's certainly time for this already! by Renderer+of+Evil · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They're playing the nice little guy who give everything for free. Even slashdotters love them because it's free.

    That's the biggest myth in tech world, the idea that end-user payments determine whether a service is paid or not.

    Here's the fact: Google doesn't give anything away for "free." With most of its services you are the product being sold to advertisers.

  6. Let me get this straight. by redemtionboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So it's evil when Google mines my data and makes no attempt to hide the fact that they do, but it's ok when congress creates fusion centers that create profiles of average american citizens that have never committed any crimes and places wire taps on phones without proper warrants or just cause. I'm sorry, but I actually feel much safer trusting Google with my information than I do the federal government. Google just wants to make a profit, the federal government wants to control my life.

    1. Re:Let me get this straight. by williamhb · · Score: 1, Insightful

      So it's evil when Google mines my data and makes no attempt to hide the fact that they do, but it's ok when congress creates fusion centers that create profiles of average american citizens that have never committed any crimes and places wire taps on phones without proper warrants or just cause. I'm sorry, but I actually feel much safer trusting Google with my information than I do the federal government. Google just wants to make a profit, the federal government wants to control my life.

      Don't be so sure. For instance, Google Analytics tracks you on sites before you can even know the site uses Google Analytics (they require sites to include information in their privacy policy, but by the time you've found the link to that it's already to late, you have been tracked). To "opt out" you have to install a special modification (plugin) to your browser and even then they will not delete the data they have already collected on you. Google does not just want to make a profit -- it's explicit mission, as communicated to its employees, is to "organise the world's information" -- particularly to organise all the information it can possibly collect about you. With governments you can vote with your vote; with most companies you can vote with your wallet; but with Google, who collect data on you by so many more means now than just search, you can't even vote with your wallet.

      The natural reaction in the tech community is to go "Yeah, but it's Google". They're kind of like our team, we've been supporting them since they were a cool late 90s start-up. But a wiser rule of thumb is not to rely on which companies are "good" or "bad". So not "but it's ok, it's Google not Microsoft" but to think about what a company could do. With Microsoft, you had your data. They tried to tie the world to buying their software, but if you wanted to take your business away you could take your docs to another word processor and you would have your data not MS. But there is no getting the data Google have collected on you away from them -- the analytics and tracking logs will not be given up. And usually they won't even reveal what they've collected; not even (as the WiFi case showed) to the police if it is discovered they have collected it illegally.

      At the moment, Google might not be doing much that you strenuously object to with your data. But SCO (Caldera) was a "nice company" before Darl McBride. It is a bad idea to put yourself at the mercy of a company's "niceness". Especially one like Google that has made a number of gaffes recently but still seems to believe it "does no evil" - over time the definition seems to be creeping from "we must only do good things" to "if we're doing it, it must be ok." The time to rein things in and ensure there are appropriate balances is before the company goes SCO on you.

  7. Amen! by Weezul · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah, it's called a legislative shakedown. I don't mind google being pushed around by idealistic Europeans, but once America's asshats get into the game, well it's a shakedown pure & simple.

    Google would eventually turn evil once Sergey Brin dies of course, but thus far they ain't too bad. We should encourage Larry and Sergey to push positive moral aims through their company itself, rather than adopting Gate's be evil & then be nice approach.

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    The Christian religion has been and still is the principal enemy of moral progress in the world. -- Bertrand Russell
  8. Googles real crime: by hsmith · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Not donating enough to the various political parties.

  9. Re:It's certainly time for this already! by Charliemopps · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The "real" evil here is that the political establishment is inventing a controversy out of nothing, so they have something they can pretend to stand for while at the same time not addressing any of the real issues that plague our country but are politically unpopular to deal with. Medicare, Social Security, Gay Rights, the erosion of our fundamental civil liberties, education. All require politicians to vote for things that will make them lose votes from both Republicans and Democrats, but would benefit the general public. Instead they do nothing... and create an emergency out of thin air that makes little sense so they can pretend to be on your side. Herb Kohl is doing nothing and acting the coward. It's shameful.

  10. I want to be governed by Google by mykos · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'll trade our entire government for one run Google-style. They're better at foreign relations. They're better at having a balanced budget. They know how to treat people fairly. They know how not to waste everyone's time on ridiculous litigation that nobody (except their competitors) is calling for, especially when there's a shitton of far more pressing issues at hand. There are also corporations that behave much, much worse than google.

    Are you reading this, Google? Get on it.

  11. Re:It's not evil. If it were, why is Skyhook OK? by elwinc · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Ever wonder how a device like an ipad Touch, with no GPS, can locate itself in urban and suburban areas?

    The answer is Skyhook, a company that war-drives our neighborhoods, collects WiFi info without permission, associates WiFi MACs or other identifying info with Lat. & Long. coordinates and sells a service that can tell WiFi receivers where they are.

    So if it's evil for Google to war-drive and collect WiFi identifiers, shouldn't it also be evil for Skyhook?

    Disclosure: I don't work for Google but a couple friends do...

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    --- Often in error; never in doubt!