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White House Wants New Copyright Law Crackdown

An anonymous reader writes "The White House is concerned that 'illegal streaming of content' may not be covered by criminal law, saying 'questions have arisen about whether streaming constitutes the distribution of copyrighted works.' To resolve that ambiguity, it wants a new law to 'clarify that infringement by streaming, or by means of other similar new technology, is a felony in appropriate circumstances'""

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  1. Paying back those Hollywood donors by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Looks like Obama is paying another installment on the debt he owes to his Hollywood buddies.

    Between Democrats in bed with Hollywood and Republicans in bed with big business, wouldn't it be nice to have at least *one* choice in an election who doesn't support draconian DRM, Feds kicking in our doors because little Jimmy downloaded an advance screener of The Dark Knight, and ISP's tracking and archiving our every click on the internet? Would that be too goddamn much to ask?

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    1. Re:Paying back those Hollywood donors by InsertWittyNameHere · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It reminds me of that anti-piracy commercial from The IT Crowd.

    2. Re:Paying back those Hollywood donors by MightyYar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Is that to goddamn much to ask?

      Yes. I think that having the government involved in non-commercial infringement at all is way over the line.

      If Sony wants to sue my kid for copyright infringement, fine. If my kid is selling copyrighted materials and the government arrests him, fine. But having the government do Sony's contract enforcement is just plain horrid.

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    3. Re:Paying back those Hollywood donors by sumdumass · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The US will never go all 'Egypt' on itself. Too many people just don't care about the things you and others do. Too many people have somewhat decent lives. If anything, there will be a couple small riots that only hurt the rioters, they will be put down by police using less then lethal means, and because a good portion of the US is property owners, they will cheer the cops on for helping protect their property.

      The US is no where near the situation that made Egypt even viable let alone work.

  2. WTF by thomasdz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1) Someone noticed that something popular is not illegal.
    2) Lobby to have it made illegal.
    3) ...
    4) Profit.

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    1. Re:WTF by DanTheStone · · Score: 5, Insightful

      3) is "Receive Campaign Contributions" or "Accept Lucrative Revolving-Door Job". It's actually not a mystery in this situation.

  3. So, this is what America has come to? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You can no longer compete on the world stage in terms of products, don't innovate anything, and have more or less given up on educating your people.

    But, the biggest priority of the White House is to ensure that streaming content is a fucking felony???

    Enjoy your decline into irrelevance and the dark ages. I used to greatly admire what America stood for.

    1. Re:So, this is what America has come to? by sumdumass · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Enjoy your decline into irrelevance and the dark ages. I used to greatly admire what America stood for.

      Seeing how Stood is past tense, you still can admire what America "Stood" for (whatever you think that was).

      However, if you think that this is the only thing the government is concerned with or doing at the moment, or that it's even the biggest priority you would be sorely mistaken. You see, I can say "I want X, Y, and Z, done, oh yea, do A also" and it wouldn't make A a priority. However, because A is something you are concerned with, you might hear about it by itself. It still doesn't make it a priority of government.

      Now I understand that it might ultimately be a higher priority then what you want to happen. But that's really a indication of your priorities, not the governments.

    2. Re:So, this is what America has come to? by mswhippingboy · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Just another step in the felonization of America.

      http://tribes.tribenetwork.com/america/thread/2f215d2a-8c88-437c-82ec-cc78ee7588df

      Take away enough people's right to bear arms, vote or otherwise have a say in society and the remaining population is much easier to control. Pretty soon just disagreeing with the government position will be a felony, thereby removing that position from the debate and allowing our corporatist overlords complete control while being able to claim the US is still a democracy (or republic, or whatever term your prefer).

      America better wake up soon or it'll be too late (if it's not already).

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  4. wheres my reparations? by callmetheraven · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The say slavery is over, but Obama is clearly up for sale.

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  5. Can't wait 'til we get Duh Bush out! by cpu6502 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm sick of him selling-out to these megacorps. Damn Republican. What we need is a Democrat president who is not a puppet of the corporations.

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    1. Re:Can't wait 'til we get Duh Bush out! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm sick of him selling-out to these megacorps. Damn Republican. What we need is a Democrat president who is not a puppet of the corporations.

      Same problem, different president, different corporations.

      I think you'll find that the position lends itself to corruption.

  6. Re:Warez by DanTheStone · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You have to admit that copyright infringement is a major problem that needs to be handled one way or another.

    Why? If people create content regardless of copyright infringement, which is the purpose of copyright, I fail to see why it's a major problem that needs to be handled.

  7. Civil law, not criminal law. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Copyright infringement is supposed to be CIVIL LAW, not CRIMINAL LAW.

    If the USA is to continue this trend of criminalizing everything under the sun, then perhaps the next thing we need to criminalize is when elected and appointed government officials violate the US Constitution. Let's make that a felony.

  8. Scarier is wiretap by redelm · · Score: 5, Informative

    "Streaming" is mostly a clarification of law, much more threatening is the authorization of wiretap, perviously allowed only in "serious" cases and terrorism.

  9. How could media ever survive... by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 3, Insightful

    with free shows paid for by advertising, like TV or radio? Uh, wait a second....

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  10. Still no justice for... by Hatta · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nobody has gone to jail for crashing the world economy.
    Nobody has gone to jail for authorizing or committing acts of torture.
    Nobody has gone to jail for placing unconstitutional wiretaps.

    Yet we have room in our prisons for people who share files. It is more clear than ever that the US justice system exists to protect the powerful against the less powerful. There is no justice system, there is an exploitation system.

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    1. Re:Still no justice for... by Insightfill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Madoff went to jail for helping crash the economy.

      To be more specific: Madoff went to jail for personally scamming and lying to the rich and powerful, costing them money.

      The trail between him and his victims is very clear. The trail between the victims and the perps in the more recent problems isn't as clear. Also: Madoff did scam the rich and powerful, whereas the more recent financial crises have worked out quite well for those who already had money. Bonuses are bigger than ever on Wall Street, but "Main Street", not so much.

    2. Re:Still no justice for... by SquirrelDeth · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Madoff went to jail for screwing the rich. Nobody went to jail for screwing poor people.

  11. Re:Warez by MightyYar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They're free to release their content and for free if they want to.

    His point wasn't that people can't create content freely.

    His point is that the purpose of copyright is to encourage the creation of creative works. Today, with the existing system, there are PLENTY of creative works being produced. Therefore, copyright certainly does not need to be made more restrictive, and in fact the opposite may be true.

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  12. AWOL Whitehouse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    I am so glad the Pres and Co. have sorted out the middle east, the world economy and that pesky natural disaster in Japan and have time to focus on enriching their pals in the MAFIAA. Barry you are truly the best benevolent ruler ever.

  13. Re:How does that Hopey-Changey horseshit taste? by cobrausn · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Write in moot then for all it matters; just stop voting Democrat / Republican until they stop being idiots or put forward a candidate with a proven track record.

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  14. "Illegal streaming not covered by criminal law"? by Nidi62 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Um, if there's no law covering it, how can it be illegal? Isn't everything by default legal until either a law is passed regarding it, or a court case interprets an already existing law to cover it?

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  15. Constituents by mbrod · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wonder how many constituents wrote letters to the President about this serious problem? Of course, none did. We need a separation of Corporations and State, now.

  16. Re:How does that Hopey-Changey horseshit taste? by peragrin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well that is one of the advantages of the USA over others. term limits on the president.

    Now we just need term limits for all elected officials and maybe we can finally start making some progress.

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  17. Re:I want my vote back. by characterZer0 · · Score: 3, Informative

    He did an about face on telecom immunity before the election. If you thought he would listen to the people, you either were not paying attention or are stupid.

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  18. Re:Like, watch a YouTube video? by spidercoz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's the only way to legally keep them from voting.

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  19. Why do people think Democrats aren't in bed by Shivetya · · Score: 4, Insightful

    with big business? What in the hell is Wall Street then? If that is not the top end of big business then I don't know what is. Who is GE, who is Google? They are both in bed with big business. This is President Wall Street, from his cabinet picks to the bills that pass. Oh sure, they have ominous we are going to rein in big business names, but you can be damn sure all those contribute are immediately exempt, like how none of the big unions are subject to the new health care law.

    We can't change the Democrats or Republicans so we need to work on the American people. They need to learn that the only way change will occur is if they elect people who don't ascribe to the party line of either the D or R side. Trouble is, far too many are interested in getting everything handed to them while at the same time decrying its cost. The American people need to change before their government will.

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  20. Why is Copyright Good? by Oxford_Comma_Lover · · Score: 4, Informative

    > Why? If people create content regardless of copyright infringement, which is the purpose of copyright, I fail to see why it's a major problem that needs to be handled.

    Because the United States creates a great deal of IP, as do many countries. The people pirating are not only the people who would not pay for it--so market size decreases, GDP decreases, and trade imbalances increase. The biggest long-term threat to the United States, after Global Warming and possibly after spiraling healthcare and higher education costs, is the trade imbalance. We send more and more money outside the country to buy things. A bigger economy means more money for the few people at the top, but MOST of America is NOT at the top, and sending money out means that capital leaves and goes to buy things, putting other people at the top, leaving us in a worse and worse position (except for a very few) as the gini coefficient increases.

    That being said, making copyright law on that basis is arguably unconstitutional. The only reason Congress is empowered to make copyright law is to promote the development of copyrightable works. (The terminology is actually "science and the useful arts, IIRC, but as it was understood two hundred years ago). They also have the power to regulate commerce between the states and with foreign nations, but making copyright law under the Commerce Clause is reading the IP clause entirely out of the Constitution, which should not be legitimate under any reasonable principles of interpretation. But most if not all courts would probably accept it anyway.

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  21. Re:How does that Hopey-Changey horseshit taste? by cobrausn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What happens if you actually happen to find someone who is doing the country some good? Would it not be better to allow them to stay in power?

    Not worth the risk, IMHO. Nobody can hold The Ring for that long and not be corrupted by it.

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  22. Re:Like, watch a YouTube video? by SuricouRaven · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I suspect most of them already are. So many things are illegal today.. hell, I'm commiting a criminal offense just by writing this post. I'm doing it from work, and the rules (which everyone ignores) forbid personal use of the internet or any form of political debate online (Lest it reflect badly on the organisation). This means I am accessing a computer system without the authrisation of the owner - a criminal offense under the Computer Misuse Act 1990.

    Everyone commits crimes on a regular basis. It's just that most of them are so trivial that there is no reason to enforce the law, even when in princible there could be a jail term of many years.

  23. Lots of Fun Provisions by PMuse · · Score: 4, Informative

    If all this paper did was suggest categorizing streaming as distribution rather than performance, that would be small potatoes. It also recommends:

    1. using government wiretapping muscle and $$ to discover infringers
    2. using government $$ to perform rights-holders' pre-suit investigations for them
    3. ratcheting up sentencing for anyone previously convicted of any IP offense
    4. ratcheting up sentencing for anyone involved in an organization of infringers

    The article focuses on streaming, but the real meat here is in the use of government funds and police powers for the private benefit of rights-holders.

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  24. Re:Warez by Schadrach · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Wait, our choices are "perpetual copyright" or "self-entitled bastards who think they should get everything for free"? WTF ever happened to *sane* copyright law instead? Say backing it down to a level where creators have plenty of time to make money off of $WORK but it does eventually enter the public domain, preferably within a generation or so.

    Say 50 years total from date of first presentation, or 5 years per term with an increasing fee schedule for each successive term purchased (with the first four being dirt cheap, then ramping up dramatically each time -- that way it eventually becomes unreasonable as a business decision to renew Steamboat Willie again)

  25. Quite the opposite by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 3, Insightful

    just stop voting Democrat / Republican until they stop being idiots

    If more and more of the 'silent majority' - if you will - stays home, then the only result is more bug-fuck crazy fringe candidates being elected by an increasingly influential bug-fuck crazy fringe electorate.

  26. Re:Warez by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Go back to pulling numbers out of your ass. 14 year copyright, 14 year patent, end of story. Even that's too long for most people to benefit... I would agree to a 6 year copyright with three filed extensions: up to 24 years. The first would be a cheap ($100) re-file; the second, moderately expensive ($1000) because if you're not making the cash in 12 years something is wrong. Besides that, you need to file all direct source material: all of the products of labor that went into the final product. This means all computer source code (but not necessarily design documentation), all the master tracks (but not necessarily sheet music, lyrics sheets, etc), computer source document files for books, etc. Where the line is drawn between "creating" and "assembling" ... writing words, formatting them, etc, is "creating," while "Converting to PDF, printing," and so on is "assembling."

    So if you want that big 18 or 24 year copyright, your software is getting PD'd open source, your master tracks are getting released, your word documents are being handed out, and any in-house proprietary tools you wrote or commissioned that are essential for building your work (remember, running a tool to convert X into Y is not creating, it's assembling) are also getting dumped with them.

    Also, a record of all tools needed is included, and who owns the rights; upon filing, these rights holders are contacted for a copy of their tool, if not on file already in another copyright extension. If they don't extend their copyright, then that tool is released; if they do extend their copyright--twice, past the 12 year first extension--then they are also required to release all source material. This is to ensure that such tools are on file, in case someone keeps a "very specialized" piece of software NDA'd and shifted to only a few clients (a couple dozen corporations have it). The software would still go out of copyright in 6 or 12 years, but only a few people would have it to release; those corporations may well not care anymore about that particular iteration of that tool by then, and it may be lost, and incompatible with old work, and now you lose that functionality. So we want it on record: what you used, who owns it, and a copy of it.

    I should run for office.

  27. Sigh. by pushing-robot · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You know, I'd have some sympathy if pirates had a "cause" anymore.

    Years ago, we said "we're pirating music because they won't let us download it!"
    And they made download stores.

    Then we said "we're pirating music because they won't sell individual tracks!"
    And they let us buy single tracks.

    Then we said "we're pirating music because they add DRM!"
    And they stopped adding DRM.

    Then we said "we're pirating music because 128kbps is crap!"
    And they gave us 256kbps+ tracks.

    Then we said "we're pirating music because the major labels have a monopoly!"
    And now any indie artist can get on iTunes and other major music stores.

    And we still pirate.
    Because all along, we really just wanted stuff for free.

    I'm all for copyright reform, but really: The latest music, movies, and games are not vital liberties, and they take a lot of time and money to make. If someone wanted to give their content away for free, they would have done so. So ask yourself: If a person who made something you want expects compensation, why do you deserve to have it for free?

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